Aalim Online – Inciting murder against Ahmedi’s

What a shame.but as i have already posted in a comment else where on this blog ,GEO is funded by the Americans;this is another proof of its activities in support of the US agenda to sow discord in Pakistan.

hassan: you want to blame this on the americans too? geo is funding the americans, and now we’re absolved of all the guilt and responsibility of fixing this? wow talk about not jhank-ing in your own giraybaan dude. this is a purely pakistani problem that has been brewing for decades. wake up and smell the miswaak — fundamentalism is everywhere. we don’t need to thank the americans for this, we need to take positive steps to fix it.

Guys,
I am not a Aamir Liaqat fan. But, did you see the show? Aamir never said you should kill every Ahmedi rather he was just repeating what the punishment is for those who claim to be prophets of Islam after Huzoor (SAWW). He was repeating the what was according to Sharia as well as what Khulfa Rashdeen have done to those who claimed to be prophets. I guess Hazrat Abu Bakr was also wrong in fighting fake prophet of his time. Why we Muslims become so guttless and apologetic that we cannot even defend our faith? We have hide behind all these excuses? What I got from the show was to kill anyone who claims to be a Muslim prophet not everyone who follows them. They actually said that these people were mostly uneducated who followed Ghulam Mohammed during the British time.
As for Asian HR commission they couldn’t even spell Aalim Online let alone have any moral standing to single out this show. They should go after Dutch government who attached 1.2 billion Muslims with those cartoons.
My two cents..

Astaghfir Allah.Astaghfir Allah.Astaghfir Allah.
jhote par ALLAH tala ki lanat.(AMEEN SUMA AMEEN)

Baloch,
CIA has been funding sectarian strife of all types for years.

hassan Abbas,

Secterian thing is one thing and Muslim and Non-Muslim thing is different. Muslims have always respected non-muslims like Ahmedis and thats why they have places of worship and they live freely and practice their religion.

But whats surprising in this case is there was always a fight between Shia and Sunnis (Sectarian) but there was never a fight between Muslims and Non-Muslims (Like Ahmedis) in Pakistan. Something is suscpicious here….

Bhutto’s govt was the first one to declare them KAFIR.

But the problem is these guys (Ahmedis) they have a problem bug too. From time to time they would raise these kinds of incidents to attract sympathy from their Masters.

karachi Wala,
The Ahmedis have never been comfortable in Pakistan,the first anti-Ahmedi roits occuring in 1951 at lahore;when the city was placed under martial law!Bhutto’s government was also forced to declare them kafir because it was an awami party and had to respect the voice of the majority!

I personally feel that after officially declaring them Kafir or even non-muslim -no one has a right to kill them-or issues fatwas to kill them just because they don’t believe in Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as the last prophet.

After all no non-Muslim believes in Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)as the lost prophet -and that includes the majority of the world.So are we justified in killing the rest of the world.No Islam allows that.

Lol!Would you like to get your-self killed just to get some sympathy from some one!Your laugh point shows an alarming mind set!

js,
Guess how many millions GEO is being paid to show VOA Urdu service Video regularly -and do the other pro-US propoganda and subtle brain washing of Pakistanis.

It is the only Pakistani channel doing this so obviously;not even PTV has stooped that low.

SHAME ON YOU AMIR…. you were working good for GEO but what you have done here is just shamefull.

no one can punnish you but I belive that Allah will not forgive you now. You will die as horrible death and after death… May Allah Bless you “MR” (i cant use brother for you more) as you have done what, you dont know.

Take Care All
Allah Hafiz

Free and independent media in a third world country that is a US client…impossible. You can have independent journalists and reporters who will just do enough to keep legitimacy and an appearance of free press but a well financed news group like GEO to be free of influence! I don’t buy that.
You know there is a lot of talk in US about extremism in countries like Pakistan, there needs to be rhetoric from here to feed the rhetoric from there.
And trust me, MUSH who fed real living breathing people to US for their need to keep terrorism in the forefront, would have shut down GEO or any other news organization in 2 minutes if they were not playing their designated roles. When I say shut down basically the news organization changes hands for a very healthy profit, case and point CNN from Ted Turner (a relatively reasonable news organization) to Time Warner where it turned into PRAVDA of US.
I will go out on a limb and speculate that very likely Aljazeera also fits in that profile even if it appears that it is ‘balanced’ and pro-Islamic. So this jerk on TV whether knowingly or unknowingly does serve a purpose, he is there for a reason and it’s not necessarily the ratings!

My Dear Friends

Dr.Amir Liaqat Ali is wajib ul qatal .. why just tell me if as per every muslim alim and quran and prophets mehdi must come will come before qiymat . is it??? if mehdi come and say to come to me and follow me and do as what i do. because your islam is not real islam its jahil mula and alim`s islam then . an normal muslim what try to do even he is doing as alim teach him grab in his mind to kill that person . if God kill chirstians hindus jewsh and shia they are all living take food everyday God say ist you call them for truth … so the dr jahil mean dr liaqat what should u say now if some body rush to kill the mehdi or mehdi follower is it muslim act??? never say to kill anybody without hatitate if you are in his heart>?? you always kicked shamefully from your party your minstri even your education certificate are not real you are working like a us agent to brain wash the muslims teach terror so us come to pakistan and attack like our south and afghan border

Dear All,

Specially Baloch Sahib, I respect your point of view, but by giving such comments Mr. Amir has given right to a nation which cannot decide between right and wrong to an act which is highly debatable, For example Mr. XYZ would not be able to defend himself if Mr. ABC out enimity claim Mr. XYZ to be a wajib qatl for committing any such false blaspemous act, Mr. XYZ wont have second to justify himself… got my point. We are not good enough muslims to have such rights… I might be wrong… and please avoid comparing/commenting religous Caliphs and their ability to judge with that of yours.

Regards,

There is no excuse for what Liaquat Hussain and his guests did they have blood on their hands.
Please do not fall into the trap that these Jahil Online twist and distort our true faith. The Caliph fought and put to death these false prophets NOT because of their beliefs but because they instigated rebellion and fought the muslims. “There is no compulsion in Religion”. We are own worst enemies when we allow these fake Aalims to lie and distort the truth. If they lie and continue to lie about their fake degrees why give them any credibility. But this timed they went too far and and should be punished and sanctioned by the regulatory authority or GEO.

Dear Awab,
if you please clear your intention in above post.either you are protecting Rushdie & Ahmedis.
i am not fan of Geo neither i prefer to watch Amir programme but its a fact that a person who claim himself to be prophet should dead.
Even every Masalak have clear view for Rushdie no matter if you believe in barelvi, Deo Bandi, Ahl-e-Hadees or Shia.They all believe to kill such people.
Please justify your self where you stand yourself???

Alas! these people know nothing.
May Allah guide them to the Right Path..
Ameen

This is a fact. When you talk like this on international media the response of that will be like that. This is not Islamic Teaching at all. Islam does not allow to kill people like that.

Dear All,

Why we always blame americans for every single thing happens around us? because most of us dont THINK and as Allah says that guidance is for those who THINKS. Allah and his prophets has given us the complete guidance for life but we sought our guidance from west. First we dont know whther these killings are directly linked with AOL episode? secondly for those who love their Allah and the prophet would never let anyone to claim false things. What if some one in public abuse our blood relative(father or mother etc), we obviously get furious and tries to take revenge, likewise If we love Allah and his prophet, we can never accept such claims. Dividing muslims in to different sects is a strategy by JEWS as they have done it with christians. So please all Muslims please open your eyes and think ahead of this. We have always been involved in operational matters rather than on strategic. I have seen the episode and in my opinion Dr. Amir has said whatever he should along with the Alims and they agreed on this and who are we to protect all those who are the followers of culprits of Allah.
May Allah help us to think (Ameen)

@FizDosani – im neither protecting Salman Rushdie neither am I an Ahmedi – but I believe the act of killing does not and should not fall in the realm of the ISLAMIC religion. I believe in the fact that we are a peaceful religion, and much can be handled with mutual dialog and understanding. If for the sake of religion you choose to annihilate the other humans being believing in other gods than you are probably touting the wrong beliefs. But mind you these are just my own opinions and no scholarly fatwa’s as probably shared by Jahil Online

As far as Ahmedi’s go, it is sad that they were condemned, Pakistan was based on the fundamental belief that all religions can be practiced in this free state, yes the Quran and Sunnah comes first so I am no scholar to denounce the age old decision or open a long drawn controversy.

But I believe in humanity, maybe one day our tolerance and understanding can guide them to our path, but by the use of force / killing / suppression you cannot and will not win the battle.

It is the same stupid analogy with which the Israeli’s attacked Palestine, USA attacked Iraq, Afghanistan and the Talibans in Pakistan – they assume that if you hit and hit hard they will run and disappear, but in reality it reinforces their resolve to fight back.

Hence I believe it is wrong to beat and bash – but instead we should guide them to the right way, some may listen some wont, but that itself signifies light at the end of the tunnel

as i read the comments, i notice how geo is constantly labelled as an american tool. i am also watching the television where geo is running a cutesy animation of the twin towers collapsing. it has people in my office aghast at its insensitivity. so if i follow the conventional logic here, it seems that someone in the US right now is really pissed about how their money is being wasted.

also, i enjoy how pakistanis seem to believe that the sole purpose for the existence of the US is to meddle in our affairs. its like four score and twenty years ago our forefathers decided to create a country and wait for 150 years for another one to emerge so we could mess with it.

hahaha

once we are done killing rushdie, maybe we should read his book ’shame’. but its incumbent upon us to burn it – and kill all the infidels!!!!

kill kill kill!

Well my point was we cannot directly link AOL episode to this killing because if u remember 4 or 5 days back all newspapers have full page columns and stories to condemned false prophethood. I dont know the exact date but it was the marking of the day when National Assembly has passed the resolution to call them non-Muslims and almost every author has shared their opinions in Newspapers. Though im not a fan of AOL

In a program aired on 7 September 2008 the anchor of the religious program ‘Alam Online’, Dr. Amir Liaquat Hussain–also former federal minister for religious affairs–declared the murder of Ahmadi sect members to be necessary (Wajib ul Qatal) according to Islamic teachings, because its followers don’t believe in the last prophet, Mohammad, peace be upon him. Dr. Amir repeated his instruction several times, urging fundamentalists Muslims to kill without fear.

While on air the anchor person also pressured the other two Islamic scholars (from two different sects) on the program to support the statement. This resulted in a unanimous decision among the scholars, on air during a popular television show, to urge lynching with the intent to kill. This was not a one-off. On September 9, Mr. Hussain answered a query with the comment that blasphemers are liable to be put to death.

According to the information received, at 1:15pm on September 8, 18 hours after the broadcast, six persons entered the Fazle Umer Clinic, a two-story hospital at Mirpur Khas city and two of them went to the second floor and started pressuring 45 year-old Dr. Abdul Manan Siddiqui to come downstairs to attend to a patient in crisis. Dr. Manan left his office and descended into an ambush. He was shot 11 times and died on the spot. His private guard was also shot and is in a serious condition. A woman was also injured by firing. The killers remained at the hospital until the doctor was declared dead, then they walked out of the building’s front entrance. Police registered the killers as unknown.

On September 9, 48 hours after the broadcast, Mr. Yousaf, a 75 year-old rice trader and district chief of the Ahmadi sect was killed on his way to prayer in Nawab Shah, Sindh province. Yousaf was fired on from people on motor bikes, and sustained three bullet wounds. He died on the way to the hospital. The assailants had taken a route past a police station. No one was arrested.

I am writing you to draw your attention to and request prompt action regarding the latest incident of Ahmadi lynchings, as urged on a popular and seemingly unregulated Pakistani television program. The Anchor person, also former federal minister for religious affairs suggested that the followers be killed as punishment for their religious views.

According to the information that I have received, Dr. Amir Liaquat Hussain declared the murder of Ahmadi sect members to be necessary (Wajib ul Qatal) according to Islamic teachings, in ‘Alam Online’, aired on September 7, 2008. Dr. Amir repeated his instruction several times, urging fundamentalists Muslims to kill without fear.

While on air the anchor person also pressured the other two Islamic scholars (from two different sects) on the program to support the statement. This resulted in a unanimous decision among the scholars, on air during a popular television show, to urge lynching with the intent to kill. This was not a one-off. On September 9 Mr Hussain answered a query with the comment that blasphemers are liable to be put to death.

The killings On September 8 at 1:15 pm, 18 hours after the broadcast, six persons entered the Fazle Umer Clinic, a two-storey hospital at Mirpur Khas city. Two of them went to the second floor and started pressuring 45 year-old Dr. Abdul Manan Siddiqui to come downstairs to attend to a patient in crisis. Dr. Manan left his office and descended into an ambush. He was shot 11 times and died on the spot. His private guard was also shot and is in a serious condition. A woman was also injured by firing. The killers remained at the hospital until the doctor was declared dead, then they walked out of the building’s front entrance. Police registered the killers as unknown.

On September 9, 48 hours after the broadcast, Mr. Yousaf, a 75 years old rice trader and district chief of the Ahmadi sect was killed on his way to prayers in Nawab Shah, Sindh province. Yousaf was fired on from people on motor bikes, and sustained three bullet wounds. He died on the way to the hospital. The assailants had taken a route past a police station. No one has been arrested.

It is the responsibility of a government to tackle religious hatred, yet in Pakistan it flourishes. That it can bloom so publicly and has results both bloody and unpunished, is an embarrassment to a country that hopes to be taken seriously outside of its borders. While religious persons can incite murder on mainstream television shows without restraint or legal consequence, a country cannot hope to be considered mature. Neither can its leaders.

In this context I demand that the government of Pakistan take immediate steps to stop further killings by other religious communities and to investigate the two cases reported above. Those responsible for the killings must be prosecuted and punished according to the law. Immediate measures to prohibit broadcasting and spreading religious hatred through the media.

I further urge you to investigate those responsible for instigating murders through media broadcast. I also demand for a genuine and humane effort to be made to reintegrate the Ahmadi community into the social fabric of Pakistan. Their civil, human and religious rights must be protected. The government must take the lead to create a space for dialogue between opposing religious communities in Pakistan there by bringing an end to religious and communal violence in the country.

Aamer should be tried and punished for this reprehensible act, our media in question should be muzzled they have lost it totally in the dream of making news instead of reporting it.

Every citizen of Pakistan……Shia, Suni, Hindu, Ahmadi or kafir/mushrik,,,,,,,what ever enjoys same protection of law and freedom of faith.

If some one dont want to believe our prophet, we can not force him to do so on gun pint…..there is no force in religion (HQ).

Anyone who spreads hatred and issues decree’s of killing is a criminal under the law, constitution and Holy Quran itself.

If Aamir realy did this, then its crime, noting less.

Salam, I just want to say that Aamir Liaqat has committed suicide. Yes, the results of his beleives will be destructive for him. In the past, whoever has tried to harm or destroy Ahmadis has come to an end. Examples are Zia-ul-Haq who forced Ahmadis to stop preaching but failed. He tried to throw Ahmadis out of Pakistan but Ahmadis spread in the whole world including about 50 lack Ahmadis in Pakistan. Zia-ul-Haq died in a horrible accident and ever his dead body was not found. Similar is the case with Bhutto who was not solely responsible for passing the bill from National Assembly but came under the pressure of Jahil Moulvis. He was hanged by his own beloved Army Cheif. Similar will be the end of Aamir Liaqat Hussain.

And soon people will realize that whatever people say about Ahmadi Muslims is totally wrong. We are being hated and disliked just as Muslims were disliked by Kufar-e-Makkah and Non-Ahmadi Moulvis are playing the role of Kufar-e-Makkah. Soon truth will be visible to everyone as today the truth of Islam is visible.

The problems is this, the Ahmedis claim themselves to be Muslims. They continue to agitate issues with other Muslims and that brings about more problems. Soon as they stop calling themselves Muslims, the Muslims not only in Pakistan but around the world will stop making such statements against them.

All citizens of Pakistan should be given protection for their choice of belief. There is no compulsion in Islam and that is very clearly stated in the Quran.

I will add that the Ahmedis are not a sect of Islam, as some are led to believe.

What I would really like to know is this, why is this issue coming up now? Do we not has Pakistanis have enough issues on the table?

@ zeeshan, keep dreaming.

S H I respect your comments. I’m an Ahmadi Muslim. I’ve a question. When we’ve tried to agitate issues with other Muslims??? Can you please indicate any event??? And secondly you wrote “Problem is this that Ahmadis claim themselves Muslims”. Please tell me that if a person Muslim, isn’t it his right to call himself Muslim??? Just becaue other people will not like it??? How can we get back if we’re from Allah and if we’re the biggest lover of Hazrat Muhmmad (PBUH)??? How can we??? We’re not human made Jamaat or a party. We’re the Jamaat of promissed Messeih of Allah. That Messeih and prophet about whom Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) predicted. And you’re saying that we should stop calling ourselves Muslims??? Just because of the fear that we’ll be killed. How can we fear if we’re true??? Are you serious???

According to Article 20 of Constitution of Pakistan 1973:

Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions;

Subject to law, public order and morality:-

(a) every citizen shall have the right to profess, practice and propagate his religion; and

(b) Every religious denomination and every sect thereof shall have the right to establish, maintain and manage its religious institutions.

Article: 9

No person shall be deprived of life or liberty, save in accordance with law.

i want to told all commentator that who give rights to mullah’s to declare who is muslim and who is not. infact these mullahs are the most bad creature in the universe now accoerding to surrah allah almighty says that in last time near by qayamat the baddest creature on the earth will be muslims scholars and mullahs
by the way how these people declare that ahmedi are non muslim when they always says that they are muslim,so why these mullah are trying to declare them non muslim, what type of muslim mullahs are did they not see the hadith of hazrat muhammad (PBUH) THAT ONCE A SAHABA IKRAM WAS NEARLY TO KILL A NON MUSLIM IN BATTLE AND THE PERSON SUDDENLY PRAY KALIMA AND BUT THAT SAHABA KILLED HIM WHEN THIS NEWS REACH HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (PBUH) HE SAID TO THAT SAHABA THAT WHY WOULD U KILL HIM, HE SAYS HAZOOR HE BECAME MUSLIM BY THE FEAR OF DEATH NOT BY HEART HAZOOR SAYS HOW COULD U KNOW RATHER HE IS MUSLIM OR NOT DID U TEAR INSIDE HIS HEART.
NOW ACCORDING TO THAT HADITH HOW COULD THESE MULLAH DECLARE ANY ONE A NON MUSLIM

@SH

Suppose I do not believe in Allah, or I do not believe in Prophet or any part or practice of Islam (Nauz Billah), still call my self a Muslim, still I enjoy the same rights under constitution and it is only Allah who has authority to judge me and my faith.

No person has a right to decide weather I am a less Muslim or more.

The law declaring Ahamid’s is discriminatory and politically motivated, it have nothing to do with religion and constitution.

This is 21 century and as you said we have already enough problems, we need to move ahead of this non sense deciding about others beliefs.

The document which binds us as a nation is our constitution, religion have no place in the agreement to live to gather in a state governed by constitution.

In retrospect,

I dont find any analogy between the 2 acts..AOL Show and Dr.Amir’s comments and the murder.

Do we have any evidence of these 2 acts being linked in any way?

@ zeeshan, if you really wish to know, I can share my views on this subject. I did not say remarks about the founder of your faith and can bring texts from your own books and you can see the deviancy from Islam, of how they are different. It is not a sect issue.

@ silence, you have a right to call yourself as you like. You are confusing the culture with the faith. Only God can judge if anyone of us is a true believer. We can certainly try to be Muslims. Defining what is a Muslim is not set by me. Go pick up the Quran and study the sunnah of the life of Prophet Muhammad (saw) and you can see what a Muslim is and should be.

You are further confusing yourself of what the founder of the Ahmedis thought his people. Go educate yourself a little more. The problem is and will remain that they and other lunatics agitate these issues.

What I find really pathetic and sad here is why are we even debating this issue? Do we not have enough issues as Pakistanis to be concerned over? If it is not this Ahmedis issue, tomorrow it is something else. Why are we always confused?

Dear Brother in Islam
Asalam-O-Alaikum

It is shame that we are killing innocent people in the name of most beautiful and peaceful religion. So called Aalim who have no knowledge of religion use Islam to promote their evil idiology. This same Mr. Liaqqyat was asking US goverment to release Dr. Affia on the humanity basis and very soon after this humble request he shows his own ungly face. No where in Quran Allah permits you to kill any innocent person and no one can show a single example of this babaric act from the Sunnah of Mohammad PBUH.

May allah guide us to the right path and forgive our sinns. Amen

I would encourage those wanting to understand the Ahmediis faith and their beliefs, look a this site:

http://www.themodernreligion.com/index2.html

This is a gentle view on this subject and one learn of other movements as well, that have deviated from the teachings of the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (saw). Do some study and come to your own conclusions.

And God knows best.

it’s just unbelivebale. In an world-wide-aired program, a mullah is calling to kill ahamdis and nothing happens.

has anytime any ahmadi try to kill someone?

the ahamdis are doing more tabligh for the islam then the self called mullahs. ahmadis are building hospitals and schools in africa. translated the quran in more that 60 languages etc.

the mullah are fund-raising money for jihad. look at waziristan, look at swat and peshawar, look at the red mosque…. and that u call islam… but people, who are living peacefully and didnt not harm anyone, the mullah wants the to get killed…

it no wonder, that so many “azab” has come to pakistan, the earthquakes and all the instability… just take care that not allah will punish the whole country becoz of the misleading muallahs

SH – Your comments are laughable. Pakistan is the laughing stock of the world. You say that Pakistan has enough to worry about without Ahmadi issues. I would say the 2 are related. Islamic Extremism. The daft uneducated mullahs who today infact are effectively running Pakistan. They spew their hatred and people like you turn a blind eye because ‘Pakistan has enough problems’. As someone who was born in Britain I say this. This country has has given me far more (allows muslims to practice their faith openly, education, jobs) then Pakistan ever could. If you want Pakistan to progress, I suggest all the uneducated hate inciting mullahs are given a one way ticket to a country of their choice.

SH I’ve done all the research on Ahmadiyyat thank you very much which is why I’m an Ahmadi. You don’t need to visit the website to get an idea of Ahmadiyyat. Just watch our 24 hour channel MTA. You might get an idea of what real Islam is and educate yourself. As for deviating from Islam, how often do you visit a pir baba? Also, how will you recognise thr messiah when he comes?

@ Imran Ali & Umair Ahmad,

Great! I wish you well, and enjoy your life of ignorance!

In regards to your comment of going to a pir baba, that tells a lot of what I know and understand.

As to the rest of your mumbo mumbo, please try that on an uneducated person.

@ Imran Ali & Umair Ahmad,

Great! I wish you well, and enjoy your life of ignorance!

In regards to your comment of going to a pir baba, that tells a lot of what I know and understand.

As to the rest of your mumbo jumbo, please try that on an uneducated person.

Beware of Qadyanis,

They are Meethee Churree, they seem harmless people and mean no ‘physical harm’ to any Muslim yet they corrupt the religion of Islam.

They are the ones spreading ‘Fasaad’ on earth under the disguise of peace-loving mission. Their mission is synonym to operation Freedom-Iraq.

May Allah curse the false prophet Kafir Mirza. His followers are on this forum too, diguising as Muslim and Pakistan lovers.

Farhan,

Ahmedis are not doing tableegh of Islam, rather they are distracting Muslims away from Islam.

There is no Prophet after Muhammad (S.A.W.W) and Kafir Mirza couldn’t even make up his mind if he was Imam Mahdi or Jesus or just a new prophet altogether.

Asim,

God alone gives hidaya. Be kind to them for one never knows if they do end up on the right path.

You are absolutely right, there is no prophet after Prophet Muhammad (saw).

Our task is nothing more than to convey the truth, hidayah is in the hands of Allah alone.

They are very good in distorting the facts, Quran and Hadith, and even the writings of their founder to suit their purpose. And finally when you think that you have cornered them in a very logical manner, they simply change the topic.

That is why Allah has said that He has sealed their hearts and ears. One can only pray for them, that they do see the truth.

Verily in the Remembrance of Allah do hearts find peace.

What a shame for all muslims especially the pakistani muslims (so called) how can they claim that killing any human being can take them straught to heaven?????its a clear denial of what GOD and the prophet(PBUH)’God has said in his book Quran. Is this the great religious aalim these stupid people are following???? what a shame

I have never watched Amir Liaqat’s show as I was never a fan of him, but looks like Ahmedis and other naive Muslims want to replace him with Pamela Anderson so that Islam will look cool…

@Baloch. “They actually said that these people were mostly uneducated who followed Ghulam Mohammed during the British time” Perhaps a flaw in your “highly educated” credentials, but I think you’ll find it’s “Ghulam Ahmad (as)”. In addition, all knowledge comes from the All Knowing, not through self-study. Our Master and Khataman-Nabiyeen Hadhrat Muhammad Rasoolullah (saw) did not know how to read and write. His followers were not the academic elite. Allah (swt) gave them monumental supremacy against all opposition. The Sun of Muhammad (saw) is reflected in the Moon of Ghulam Ahmad (as). He is the perfect follower of The Holy Prophet (saw). But of course, your highly educated. I’ll leave you to make up a more informed decision: http://www.alislam.org

Look what Ahemdis think about regular Muslims.

According to Ghulam Kafir Kadiani:
“God has revealed to me that anyone to whom my message has reached and he has not accepted me , he is not a muslim.” (Letter of Mirza to Dr. Abdul Hakeem Khan Patialvi)

Assalam alaikum

Hey, you can know more in Ahmadiyya(DOT)wordpress(DOT)com

Can anyone post links to that episode of Alim Online?

Geo has taken these videos off the youtube? Any one…

ASALM U ALAIKUM
my dear islamic brother iwould like to mention that AMIR LIAKAT is a big liar GOD will not forgive him.his not a muslim and even he doesnt know the bit of islamic teachings the only word islam means salamti PEACE and is he spreading peace in the country by his remarks he doesnt know a bit of quran i think the quranic verse that is SUMUN BUKMUN UMYUN that they are deaf dumb and blind it clearly aplies on him .
ALLAHwil not let him go free i dont know what kind of muslim scholar is he he is the CURSED ONE LANTI
the holy quran clearly says that a propht can com but not with new shariat but under the shariat of THE HOLY PROPHET. there is no doubt that islam is last religion and perfect religion .i can show u from the HOLY QURAN THAT A PROPHET CAN COME so plz AMIR LIAKAT fear god he is on u U SEE EARTH QUAKES ARE BEING COME .

you can still watch these videos on the following link
http://vidpk.com/view_video.php?vid=16208

This program was a part of a big conspiracy against the Ahmadi Muslims. All the things which were associated in the program with the beliefs of Ahmadi Muslims and their founder were based on lies and deception. I will try to briefly touch a few points which were associated as the beliefs of Ahmadi Muslims for the benefit of those who are not prejudiced:

1. In the program it was said that Ahamdis don’t believe Hadhrat Muhammad Mustafa (SAW) as the last prophet. It is a wrong and out of context statement against Ahmadis. Ahmadi Muslims believe Holy Prophet (PBUH) to be the last law bearing prophet and Holy Quran to be the last Book of Guidence. Ahmadi Muslims believe that to say that even a prophet of Allah from the ummah of Holy Prophet can’t come is against the teachings of Holy Quran. Ahmadis believe that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian has come to revive the true spirit of Islam in the same way as Jesus (AS) came to revive the true spirit of Judaism.

2. In the program it was said that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian said that there are three cities mentioned in Holy Quran ie. Makkah, Medina and Qadian. This is also a big lie which was said only to decieve the public. I have read the excerpt that Mullah was referring to myself. If that Mullah in the program had even a small amount of decency left in him he would have told the public that he was deceiving others. Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad said that he had seen a DREAM in which he saw the mention of three cities in the Holy Quran. If the Mullah had made it clear in that program there would have been no problem there at all. Why would a person (so called scholar) tell a lie to establish his truth? Think about it friends.

3. It was said in the program that Ahmadis believe in the reincarnation like the hindus. Another big fat lie. Ahmadis believe in one life and the hereafter and nothing even close to reincarnation or anything like that. Ahmadis only believe that the coming of Imam Mahdi is LIKE the second coming of Holy Prophet. The reason is that the purpose of the coming of Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah in Islam is to bring back the true Islam Holy Prophet brought more than 1500 yrs ago. This concept is very easy to understand for anyone who does research with honesty and an unbiased attitude.

4. On the concept of Finality of Prophethood the Mullahs said that Ahmadis are non-Muslims because they “deny” this concept. I can prove that it is infact the Mullahs who deny the Finality of Prophethood by believing that Jesus (AS) is still alive and will come back to the earth again. According to their own beliefs Jesus (AS) is still to come. Ahmadis on the other hand believe that Jesus according to Quran was a prophet for the people of Israel (Rasoolan Ila Bani Israel) only and is dead like all other prophets. Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) on the other hand was a prophet for the whole humanity (Rahmatullil Alameen) so why would a universal ummah need a prophet who was only for the Israelites?

So according to Ahmadi Muslims the coming of Jesus is actually the coming of an ummati of Holy Prophet whose purpose is to revive the true spirit of Islam same like the purpose of Jesus as the reformer for the ummat of Moosa (AS) (Judaism).

My post has already taken a lot of space, so I would like to close here now by saying that if anyone wants to know the truth, they should do it with unprejudiced and unbiased heart and with righteousness.

Wassalam,

Bilal

Asslaomoalaikum
It is really very disappointed that terrorism is been openly tought by the GEO,and more saemable is, they are doing on the name of the peaceful man of the HISTORY our beloved Prohpet Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH).And these Jahil Ulama convinced the European to make the HUZUR pic like that(Astagfirrullah).The Ahmadies will fight till their deaths with these Extremists, christians, jewish , hindus and with everybody who tried to present the wrong face of Our PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH) and we will protect him on every stage INSHALLAH.
Do what u wana do but none can stop us to spread the real picture of Islam , The Real Sunna of Hazrat MUHAMMAD(PBUH).
Allah Hafiz

No doubt why Pakistan is doing progress in this current world. It is just because of some radical nerds like Dr. Aamir ( i feel shame to call him doctor ). People are dying because of hunger life is tough but still people like him use controversial issues to misguide innocent people. Our government isn’t good at all to handle anything that is why people like him are at loose.
I don’t know what else to say I am just very sorry for our country and also for some people who don’t use their brain and follow radicals in the name of Islam.

i think that being a normal and people of this nation , we should atleast give ahmedis the right to live ( whatever they believe), although they are pakistani. i believe that Islam never give a right to anybody to kill anyone, This is so shamefull for every pakistani.

Ahmedis have right to live, they do live and prosper in Pakistan just like any one else.

They can call themselves any thing they want but if they like to call themselves Muslims they would have to follow the teachings of Muhammad (S.A.W.W). One of his teachings was that Muhammad(S.A.W.W) was the last of the prophets and any one after that who claims to be prophet is an IMPOSTER.

AbuBakar and the Sahaba, fought two liars like Ghulam Kafir Qadiani, namely Muselma Kazzab and Aswas al Unsi. Infact Muhammad (S.A.W.W) had predicted that before the real Dajjal appears there would be many IMPOSTERS who would claim to be Messiah.

This is pathtic. Does he or any of you even know about the Ahmadis?…I am an Ahmadi and i believe in the holy Quran and Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)..I don’t need to prove the validity of my faith to ANYONE especially to people who are morally bankrupt…Nobody has the right to declare anyone a non-muslim.. This is one more reason that we as a nation are so looked down up on by the whole civilized world…We are so stuck in the medieval times..I bet Pakistani nation even back than would have been the butt of all jokes..

This so called aalim idiot should be sent packing to Afghanistan where the so called great ISLAMIC emirate was established by the Taliban…

Bhutto the so called ISLAMIC leader branded Ahmadis non-muslim to satisfy the Mullahs who ended up the hanging the sorry bastard..Zia did no better..

Its this hatred infested mindset which is responsible for the collapse of our society..

May God help us all!!

karachikhatmal,

Before I deal with The Ahmedi issue,let me deal with the far more graver American issue.

You say:”its like four score and twenty years ago our forefathers decided to create a country and wait for 150 years for another one to emerge so we could mess with it”.

Obviously you need to read to re-read your history of the American people.By the time Abe said these words your innocent Americans had already carried out the genocide of the Red Indians along with the enslavement of the negroes -bringing untold misery and death to two entire continents and millions of deaths ,not to mention the deaths in the civil war itself.

Soon after they attacked Canada ,but were taught a good lesson when the British burnt Washington and the White house.Expansion to the North froze.

But in the South they launched an Imperial war with Mexico,adding 55% of that nation to itself and extending to the Pacific coast.Here they added Texas, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico and Wyoming, and the whole of California, Nevada and Utah.

Next they annexed Hawai and Palmyra Atoll after American businessmen had overthrown the Kingdom of Hawaii.

Next they instigated a war with Spain to establish their Pacific Empire stretching all the way to the Philippines and including Cuba,Gaum,Puerto Rico,the Philippines,Wake Island,and American Samoa.In Philippines alone they killed over 500,000 people.

The process continued in the early part of the 20th century with their aquisitions through force or pressure of Tutuila Island, Aunuu Island ,Manua, Swains Island,United States Virgin Islands, Jarvis Island, Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, Northern Mariana Islands and Palau.By this time they were within reach of Europe and joined late in WW1 to establish a US presence.

From 1917 to 1947 was spent in establishment of their domination over Europe.Only the presence of a strong European power Russia prevented an annexation of Europe;as they were forced to rely on The Munroe doctrine and Marshal plan to buy European loyalty in facing Russian socialist/communist ideology which was gaining popularity amongst European intellectual circles as well as labour classes.

Uptill the late 90’s they were busy with the cold war,fooling the world to fight Russian threat -so that they could emerge as the sole Super power.

It was only after this had been done that they could face what in their perception is the remaining major threat i.e. Islam .The biggest thorns here were Iraq(the strongest Arab state) and Pakistan(the sole Muslim nuclear power,and the strongest non-Arab Muslim state).

They have wasted no time in tackling these-and the next after Pakistan will be Iran…and we will by then have a super strong China allied to Iran as well as possibly a renewed Russia to deal with them.That might be the begining of the end for USA.If we wake up in time,we may also be part of the begining of the American end-they are already over streatched both economically and miltarily.

All this I wrote just to make you realize how wrong you were when you wrote “its like four score and twenty years ago our forefathers decided to create a country and wait for 150 years…”. When have they ever waited to aquire another country or massacre it’s people.I have not even mentioned here their crimes in China,against Japan and in Indo-China(vietnam etc).

If we include all major aggressive operations against foreign nations by USA since it’s creation it would possibly average to one per year with over a 1 billion people killed in the period by them.

It’s just that we were so far away from their area of intrest they only started noticing us after 1950’s.Since then we have increasingly become a center of their interest.Seeing their record….GOD HELP US!

Ahmed Chowdhry,

Please refrain from saying ‘US’, we Muslims have different belief from you. WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN GHULAM KAFIR QADIANI.

WE BELIEVE THAT MUHAMMAD WAS THE LAST PROPHET[PERIOD].

Why should we send Amir Liaqat, why not we send you to fight along your MASTERS??

Omg aOne well what can one say when ordinary people like you are so blind that they can’t even use their brain. If you think that someone can declare people with just a piece of paper then you are mistaken my friend, and God shall decide who is right and who is wrong. NO religion teach to murder other people and if someone do what would you call him ???? A muslim? the true one? that is how majority of world know muslims today just because of bunch of radicals and fundamentalist who are misleading nations for their own sake.

Before pointing finger to someone we should notice that their are three pointing towards us. So why not leave the judgment on God and try to practice your believes instead of correcting others.

Hi All,

Now let me state my position clearly on the Ahmedi and Rushdi issue.FirstI am encouraged to see the heathy and reasoned debates on the issue on this blog.At most other places it soon degenerates into a foul cursing match!

On the Ahmedi issue I agree 100% with SH.

First ;The Ahmedis are not a Muslim sect,and have no right to call them selves Muslims.This is because even though they generally pass it on to others that they believe in M.G.Ahmed as a messiah;they know it and I know it that their belief in him is more than this.Indeed they believe in him as a prophet.Since Islam has always been clear on the issue of Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH)being the last prophet of ‘The God of Ibraheem’,this clearly puts them outside the pale of Islam.Their continuing to insist in calling themselves Muslims and then asking us to accept this would be the same as my saying I do not believe in any idols or my saying that Jesus is not the son of God and he was never crucified for our sins;and then expect the Hindus or Christians to accept me as Hindu or Christian.

Second: Yes indeed Ahmedis are them selves a part of the problem when they continue to so insist.It is well known when in Rome do as the Romans do.If Islamic and Pakistani laws have declared them as non-Muslims if they wish to live in peace here they have to learn to accept this.

Third:The very fact that we our selves have declared them as non-muslims prevents us from killing them on the grounds that they do not hold Muslim beliefs.Both the laws of Islam as well as the constitution of Pakistan gives full protection of life and property to all non-Muslims,even kafirs.If it was other wise our beloved Holy prophet Muhammad(PBUH) would never have forgiven the Kufar of Mecca when he conqured the city.

Fourth:The rage which the Ahmedis incite in us when they call them selves Muslims though appropriate can never be a justification for killing.In fact any anger is haram in Islam;at most we could initiate legal action against them – but best would be to convince them of their error through well reasoned and civilized discussion.

Fifth: Unfortunately I can not agree with those who claim that the document which binds us togather is our constitution.This is for the simple reason that if we wish to call our selves Muslims we have to belive in Allahs law rather then the man made constitution as supreme.The only problem is that our raving,lunatic and ignorant mullahs/alims of each sect – can’t pull their acts togather to allow use of Islam as the religion of peaceful submission to the will of Allah as a means of achieving bliss ,harmony and contentment for all- including Muslim sects as well as non-muslims.

Sixth:The matter of Rushdie should not be confused with the issue of Ahmedis.All sects of Muslims all over the world believe Rushdie is wajib-ul-qatl.I must confess I have not read his book,in which case I am bound to follow the alims consensus.Yet having accepted or given this ruling,our alims should also make it clear that this verdict is only to be enforced if he makes himself available in Muslim countries where this law is applicable.If he is in any country whose laws are different,his killing would be the act of a jhanami,as we would be violating the laws of that land.This would be a civilised -and more sellable- form of the verdict.

Seventh: I agree with SH and must wonder why of all times this issue has to resurface now ,when we face the most pressing problems -and are most in need of unity amongst all Pakistanis -muslims or otherwise?

What a shameful attitude from so called “aalim”. If ahmadis are on fault, how they can survive for more than 100 years. Because a liar does not live long. If ahmadiyya jama’at is wrong then where is promised masiah (mahdi mauood) because his arrival time has gone.

GEO is getting the videos deleted of 7 Sep Aalim Online from Youtube. The message says “This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Geo TV Networks”.

“Since Islam has always been clear on the issue of Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH)being the last prophet of ‘The God of Ibraheem’,this clearly puts them outside the pale of Islam.”

@Hassan Abbas: Here is a video in which Maulana Qasim Nanutwi founder of Deoband denies Khatm-e-Nabuwat. Now let’s see you cal him non-Muslim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sw6Qyqjh04

@Hassan Abbas: Apart from Maulana Qasim Nanutwi a couple of more people who denie Khatm-e-Nabuwa include Imam Raghib and Maulana Rumi. Some claim even Ibn Arabi as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_the_Prophets

I am hoping you will declare these people non-Muslim forthwith.

Mr amir liaquat if the jews or christians claim that muslims do not believe to prophet musa or isa as last prophet so kill the muslims then according to you it wout a great and noble job, some times i have seen you shouting in your aalim off line programm on some forces that they are killng muslims,think perhaps they are doing their eligious duty.

it should be an obligation on Geo tv like laskar-e-tayyeba, jesh-e-muhammad, taliban, and other banned orgnisaions, because they are preching openly to kill the people.

aONE- You are no one to tell me whom i should call US. This is a free forum not your local majlis where you can impose your ideas no matter how invalid and corrupt they are. Its diversity of views that give rise and power to societies and civilizations. But i guess you are too ignorant and rigid minded to appreciate that.

I am sure the 72 other sects of Islam would differ from your views. Its narrow minded people just like you who have given this great religion such a bad name. My advise to you: You are welcome to express your views in a civilized manner but don’t try imposing them on others.

Keep you

shame on you amir liaquat, no wounder why pakistan is in trouble.

There is a difference between disagreeing with the ideas of Ahmedis and calling for their murder.

The Ahmedis should be free to do as they please.

But Muslims should not have to accept their beliefs as that of Islam. They do not accept the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) as the last prophet.

They hide behind verbal gymnastics and the hatred of extremist Muslims.

But they themselves are very biased toward non-Ahmedis. In fact they believe we Muslims, i.e. non-Ahmedis, are not real Muslims.

Nonetheless, they should be given full rights in Pakistan. I think it is technically incorrect to label them as Muslims, especially since they do not see us as Muslims.

Dear Friends,
I want to narrate an example from the Holy life of our Holy Prophet. Musailma Kazab came to him and requested His Highness to grant him half of his kngdom. Aswad Ansi Also declared himself a prophet in the lifetime of the Holy Prophet(S. A. W)BUT HE NEVER SENT ANYONE TO KILL THEM. Now why Hadhrat Abubakr did so? It was not because they declared themselves Prophets. But it was because of the fact that they created a state of their own in the Islamic state with their own laws and it was a clear MUTINY. if it was not so. It Is a chellenge that kindly remove the cotrovarsy between the actions of the Holy Prophet (S.A.w) and Hadrat Abubakr. Dear Friends in the worldly matters we want to do the research ourselves but in the spiritual matters we want to depend on these undermatric clarics and these culpits of them with fake degrees. kindly ponder on the Holy Quran and Uswa e Rasul yourself and make use of the wise that God has given you. In The Holy Quran it is clearly mentioned that the punishment of a wrong prophet is in the hands of Allah. So dont try to be Him.

Mashallah! Ahmadi’s are imposters and blasphemers. They are a curse of humanity and are an invention of England to weaken muslim india before partition. The people on this blog are acting ridiculous, either they are ahmadi or slaves of the west. Look how the American treat Mormons. They treat Mormon’s like second class citizens, they have to live in Utah, because thats the only place they feel safe. And USA is a secular state!!! Pakistan was founded on Islamic principles, and those people who contradict these principles need to get hell out.

Dear Friends,

plz goto this page and send letters to people who responsible for this.
http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2008/2999

Nida,

Thank you for providing the link.

omg!!!!!!!! THATS TOTALY WRONG!
GEO SHOULD NOT SHOW THIS TYPE OF PROGGRAM AFTER THIS PROGRAM MANY PPL HAS BEEN KILLED IN PAKISTAN RELATED TO AHMEDIYYA JAMA’AT.
SO WHO IS RESPONSIBLE OF THESE DEATHS. ALLAH IS KNOW EVRYTHING THAN HUMANS.
SO LEAVES EVRYTHING ON ALLAH’S HAND.
DOSE AHMEDI EVER ATTAC ON ANY CUMMUNITY?
DOES AHMEDI SHOW OF THERE CUMMUNITY LIKE TESES PPL DO?
ALLAH WILL BE JUSTIFY EVRYTHING IN THE DAY OF JUJMENT.

@Regular
Sir, We are free to have our opinion, thats absolutely right but have you ever had a talk with any ahmadi. They never term you non-beleivers as normal muslims term them. They say that you are the non believers in the Promissed Messiah whom they deem as the Promissed Messiah. No Ahmadi can ever term you as the non believers in Rasull Allah (S.A.W.). so thats a big difference

shame on you amir liaquat

Dear Friends,
we can help ahmadies by clicking on the following link. it will take you minute to complect this, plz click on the link.
Although many people killed ahmadies but I never heard any ahmadi kill anyone. is it not the proff that they are true muslim???
plz goto this page and send letters to people who responsible for this.
http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2008/2999

@joker
dear brother I am narrating examples from the Holy and Sacred Life of the Holy Prophet and you are rejecting them. the Clarics say that you shouldnt talk to them while Holy Prophet always used the method of dialouge for the propogation of Islam or at the maximum he gave challenge (Mubahila as we call it). Mr. Ghamdi, Dr. Khalid Zaheer also stressed the same thing. but I dont know where do you live. If you are the follower of America than send all Ahmadies to an UTAH like place. but if you are the follower of the Holy Prophet (S.A.W) go for dialouges or Challenges.

Dant babu i like your blog u brought sensitive topics into lite which does exsist but stay hidden as an ahmadi living abroad i would say what we have acheive as community is special from Nobel prize to COAS to war heroes to only pakistani in Haig as judge we beleive ourself muslims and decalration by parliment that have no value in pakistan let leave thing on God let him judge by acting on tv wont help this Alim online guy he will be punished by Allah almighty if he did not learn from his blunders on the name of islam and mind u Ahmadi not only live in pakistan they live in whole islamic world but there is no such issue its only in pakistan by such Jahil mullahs.I always consider this guy a frad and fake mullah instead i like thoughts of Ghamadi he is better with some good knowldge.

Meer ,
You miss the point entirely.This is not a religious blog,nor is the current debate about Ahmedis being right or wrong.It is about killing Ahmedis by those people who believe that Ahmedis are wrong on the issue of the last prophet.I just made my entire position clear to amplyfy the point that even though I believe that you are wrong ,I still dont agree that this means any one is justified in killing Ahmedis for this wrong belief.

Take it or leave it;but lets not turn a discussion on how to behave as a Muslim into what to believe as a Muslim.At least I am not intrested in carrying out such a discussion here.

By the way what Maulana Qasim Nanutwi or any other isolated scholar says on the issue is irrelavent ;what is relevent is what the concensus of a particular sect is on the issue.

well,he was a dubious man but since i heard the news that MQM has canceled his membership i came to accept that he is a good Muslim.

killing any non muslim (like ahmadis) for just being a non muslim is against Islam .. but killing a blasphemous muslim or non muslim is necessary and fully justified. RasoolAllah SAW himself and the Shahabas RA after him did the same thing everytime some such thing occurred.

first of all all of you have to understand the meanings of blasphemous. Are most of the muslims not blasphemous as how many times the sunnahs of the RasoolAllah are being killed daily. How many muslims tell lie, measure short, blake market, earn unfair profit, drink alkohal, go to pimps, at last every evil they practise which was prohibited by RasoolAllah and Islam. So it means all the muslim (doing all these) in pakistan are wajib ul qatal. So as Aamir Liaqat Hussain is also as he is spreadind Mazhabi Munafrat.

@ Nadeem Ahmed Khan. I totally agree with you Nadeem.

Dear Hassan,

First of all i want to comment on ur first two objections i.e. no one is allowed to ask someone to not to call himself that u don’t like him to be, as this will create CAOS, and this is the main reason that there is a lot of CAOS in Islamic world especially in Pakistan due to the acts of these Maulvi Hazrats.
Secondly if you say that u r a muslim then u cannot ask someone else that if u want to live in peace then obey us and accept all the things we believe because practically it’s not the way Hazrat Muhammad PBUH, but of these Maulvi Hazrat.
So, therefore it is requested that please see my comments and think over them that u r following the way of Hazrat Muhammad PBUH or these Maulvi Hazrat.

At what point will idiocy be “Wajib ul Qatal”? Killing someone for their religious beliefs, even if they contradict yours, is bloody ridiculous. At soome point Muslims need to enter the modern era and realize killing people because they don’t believe your fiction is a throwback to the stone-age.

Bah! Okay, next person to “blaspheme” against common sense dies. That’s my new religious belief. God told it to me. Arguing with that is against my belief system. I will brook no criticism.

Guys, these issues resurface, because these Rand Robots consider us to be a simple race of weaklings. A call for Muslim “civil war” has long been the battle cry of the neo-cons.

That said, what we have here is NOT a problem with Ahmedis if they want to call themselves a new religion (like the Bahais). The problem is that Ahmedis/Qadyanis call themselves Muslims and seek to displace Islam completely and replace it with their own heretical beliefs. All the Islamic sects and schools of thought are unanimous in their opinion that this blatant blasphemy of theirs removes them out of the fold of Islam, and consider the Ahmedis to be disbelievers.

Nevertheless, these issues should be dealt with within the laws. Period. Any other edict or allegation is to create dissension, dis-unity, and disarray. Beware; their ultimate assignment is to undermine the Muslim community by undermining its primary values, its main ideas, its representative institutions and its primary modes of self-empowerment and self-representation. They seem to have plenty of help from the likes of GEO and some other folks with heretical tendencies.

to all those holy men who feel that the only problem with Ahmedis is that they wish to displace Islam completely and replace it with their own version, i have one question…

which Islam are they replacing?

We have more flavors that Baskin-Robbins. And not all of them are as tasty.

Hi,

Actually the programme which was telecast on 7 sept against Ahmadi the Fuking aamir liaqat and his bitch so called molvies who knows nothing about the islam they said that ahmadi pplz murdered is allowed. So i asked a one thing with Bastered Aamir Liaqat Hussain what happened in last year when he says wrong about the Shiya Firqa what they have have done with him. Aamir did u know that murdered is not allowed of any human being. About so called molvis of Pakistan who always running behind the money and govt seats. They did’nt know about the Islam if they think that islam is split on a blade of a sword so i will advised both Bastered Aamir Liaqat Hussain and his gay partners go and read the history again. What happened after his programme two innocent peoples were killed of this Firqa who always help poors, Dr Maanan was a doctor who helps poors and free medical treatment of pplz. But who cares Aamir liaqat has received money for that programme and got good on that day. i did’nt think that he is a educated man. Shame on u all basters in which our molvis contribution 100%.

I have seen this programme where he and his companion mullahs saying lie against ahmadis and then claiming they are wajabul qatal. I ask the geo management and all the listener that all your programmes are two way, i mean one party and then other party’s view, if you have courage then take the Ahmadis view and give them one hour to tell the peoples what are there believes. The programme is only for these mullahs, they are big liars saying those things which was not claimed at all.

TALHA AZIZ ,WHT URS NEW BLOG.ITS TOO OLD YAR.

Hassan abbas u need to convert to real Islam

PART 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFp-Gf-zG9o

PART 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyV5cNPMuzE

Geo is the first private TV channel of Pakistan. There are different kinds of programs being broadcasted at this renowned channel. “Aalim On Line” is one of them. Its host is Aamir Liaqat Hussain who was ex-Minister of Religious Affairs of Pakistan. He forced to resign from his ministry due to his religious hatred preaching. Some days ago his program about Ahmadiyya community was showed on this channel. In this program as his routine he defamed Ahmadiyya community. He said that killing of Ahmadis is legitimate and they should be killed at the spot. Aready there is no shortage of terrorism in Pakistan and a person like him is adding fuel to fire. I am unable to understand why Geo is telecasting his programs. This channel should courage to allow Ahmadis to answer his allegations. Without hearing point of view of both parties none can take any decision about who is right and who is wrong. Moreover Govt. should sensor religious programs of this channel.Anyhow I know none of you have courage to invite Ahmadis in your program. That is why I am raising some question before this religious actor and all of your other leaders; I hope you will answer these questions at least in newspapers. 1. What is the religion of Salman Rushdi and Taslima Nasrin? 2. Why Pakistan’s Govt. do not courage to disclose the discussion of Ahmadiyya Community’s leaders in the assembly of 1974 before declaring them as Non Muslims? 3. What is the religion of those who keep weapons in their mosques? 4. What is the religion of those who assault over Mosques and Seminaries with phosphorus bombs? 5. Who did open fire on Khana Kaba and what was the religion of those who were using this sacred place for shelter? 6. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was the Prime Minister of Pakistan when Ahmadis were declared as Non Muslims. A military ruler Zia Ul Haq issued many ordinances against Ahmadis during his tenure as President of Pakistan. How did both of them die? 7. Khusro Parvez was that king who torn the letter of Muhammad (PBUH). Yazid was the leader of assassinator of Muhammad’s (PBUH) grandson. Why you give your children these names i.e Parvez, Khusro, Yazid? Are you Muslims or Atheists? 8. Has any Ahmadi ever involved in killing of innocent people in suicide attacks? 9. Is respect of only those religions are necessary who are permitted by Sunnis, Shaitas, Wahabis or all religions are respect able? 10. Majority of Sunnis, Shaitas, Wahabis have been declare each other as “Atheist”. Have all of you decided who is Atheist and who is Non-Atheist? 11. How many of you who have stopped looting people in the Holy month of Ramadan? 12. What is the religion of those who buried their alive girls in the province of Balochistan? 13. What is the religion of those who marry their daughters with Quran only to save their property? 14. What is the religion of those who sale their daughters in the province of NWFP and tribal areas? 15. Why did Pakistan’s Govt. afraid from Ahmadis to hold their Annual congregation at Rabwah? 16. You preach in Europe and North American countries with full independence. Why Ahmadis are stopped from preaching in Pakistan? If you are not wrong then why are you afraid from them? 17. As you accept that Christ will appear again in the world. Will he appear as a prophet or as an ordinary person? Will you accept him or kill him as you have been killing your Caliphs? There are many historical facts, which are intentionally concealed by you. You have to tell people about the discussions of different leaders in round table talks about independence of Pakistan with British Government so that people could know about the character of Sir Zafar Ullah Khan and Allama Iqbal. You have to inform people about the creator of Operation Gibraltar in 1965. You have to give your judgment about him, who was leading Pakistan’s forces in the battlefield of Chovindah. Would you courage to tell the people fairly about the facts or would show same bias as you showed in your program. You have to inform people about Ahmadiyya TV programs as well, so that people could watch the facts. I know you would not do it because you and other religious political leaders of Pakistan earn money from religious hatred preaching.

Tania,

So how is your Ahmedi TV being funded? and where is it aired from?

Why do people of Pakistan have to listen to your biased version of the facts?

These Ahmedis don’t have any problems if 10-20 Pakistanis die every day in FATA but they get raged if only 2 of their Ahmedis die.

Simply put these are not Muslims but Ahmedis because they cry when Ahmedis die and they do not feel any thing if Muslims die.

I don’t think Pakistani Govt is scared from you guys hosting the conference in Rabwah, all they are trying to do is save your sorry a$$es.

Tanis,

As for your question, when Jesus will appear will you accept him or kill him…

First of all Jesus will not die in toilet as did your Ghulam Kafir Qadiani and when he will come, he will come to clean the world from people like you and Muslims Insha Allah will join him.

HE WILL NOT BE AN IMPOSTER LIKE GHULAM KAFIR QADIANI.

Why Ahmadis are stopped from preaching in Pakistan? If you are not wrong then why are you afraid from them?

Pakistani Govt wants to save you guys, simply put. Majlis Khatm-e-Nabowat has only saved you guys, while you guys still do the preaching. Don’t tell me that Qadianis don’t do preaching in Pakistan.

Qadianis don’t kill people

Qadianis are low life thugs, they like to stay behind the curtains. They hire assassin to kill people like Maulana Yusef Ludhianvi.

Why don’t you guys openly admit that you are preaching in Pakistan (even if its not allowed by govt of Pakistan)Why do you guys hide this fact?

Well firas let me answer your questions one by one.

1st question:
So how is your Ahmedi TV being funded? and where is it aired from?

You’ll be thinking that Ahmadis are being supported by Non-Muslims but you’ll be sad to know that it is not. MTA is being contributed by Ahmadis (Small or lange contribution) and not only MTA. Ahmadis are also using these contribution for preaching Islam all over the world, Are being used for translating Quran in many different languages, constructing mosques and the list goes on. We’re not a political party or Jamaat-e-Islami like Jamaat that we’ll receive fundings from any agencies. We are the Jamaat of Allah and Allah is our supporter only.

MTA is being aired from United Kingdom and Ahmadi students and other Ahmadi professionals run this channel only.

2nd question :
Why do people of Pakistan have to listen to your biased version of the facts?

Well simply don’t listen. If someone dares to listen then it’s good but if anyone don’t then it’s his/her loss.

3rd question :
These Ahmedis don’t have any problems if 10-20 Pakistanis die every day in FATA but they get raged if only 2 of their Ahmedis die.

Who said that we don’t have problem? We are more worried than you ppl. This is all the result of religious extemism. We want to create harmony so that the suicide attacks could be stopped and Government operations could also be stopped in tribal areas.
Many Ahmadi Muslims gave there lives for the making of Pakistan and not only this for the freedom of Kashmir, Ahmadis played an active role. Sir Zafarullah Khan who was an Ahmadi took the matter of Kashmir to UN so that murder of innoscent Kashmiris could be stopped. But today, Government hide these realities and everyone knows why.

You wrote : Simply put these are not Muslims but Ahmedis because they cry when Ahmedis die and they do not feel any thing if Muslims die.

If Ahmadis were able to cut there hearts and show you ppl our feelings for Islam and Muslims then you would have come to know how we feel. I can’t say anything more than this.

You wrote : I don’t think Pakistani Govt is scared from you guys hosting the conference in Rabwah, all they are trying to do is save your sorry a$$es.

Alas! The jahil moulvis (Not all only few jahil) have been succeeded in contaminating your mind. I mentioned above that this is the Allah made Jamaat not a human made. But you don’t know even basics of Jamaat Ahmadia or you may take years to know. May Allah guide you to the right pat.

4th question :
As for your question, when Jesus will appear will you accept him or kill him…

Well you didn’t gave any answer but filled with anger. This is a very long topic but let me cover it here.

Continued

4th question :
As for your question, when Jesus will appear will you accept him or kill him…

Well you didn’t gave any answer but filled with anger. This is a very long topic but let me cover it here.

Jesus was not from the shariat of Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) so he can’t do Immamat-e-Sughra (Namaz parhana). Nabuat is Immamat-e-Kubra. How can a nabi who can’t do our Immamat-e-Sughra can do Immamat-e-Kubra???
Secondly again he was not from the ummat of Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH). So if he comes again then he’ll be a sharai nabi not Ummati Nabi. This contradicts the Hadees “La Nabi Baadi” which means that there is no Sharai nabi after Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH).

Hazrat Ayesha (Razi-allah-taalah) said:
“Logo An Hazrat (SAW) ko khatam-un-Nabin to kaho magar hargiz ye na kaho ke aap (SAW) ke baad koi nabi nahin aaye ga.”
Reference is present on this page:
http://www.alislam.org/urdu/la-nabi-baadi/

I think it’s enough for this question.

Keep on waiting for Jesus but the time period mentioned by Hazrat Mohammed has been over and all of the predictions in Islam had been fulfilled. Promissed Messih has came. See these links if you still need explanation. They contain views of Non-Ahmadi aalims like Tahir-ul-Kaadri.

PART 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFp-Gf-zG9o

PART 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyV5cNPMuzE

You wrote :
HE WILL NOT BE AN IMPOSTER LIKE GHULAM KAFIR QADIANI.

If GHULAM AHMED QADIANI would be an imposter then how would have Allah allowed his Jamaat to flourish alot? Allah killed all the imposters and False prophets who tried to claim themselves Prophet. So then how Jamaat Ahmadia can be left? Allah promissed not to alow any JHOTA NABI. Do you have any explanation?

You wrote :
Why Ahmadis are stopped from preaching in Pakistan? If you are not wrong then why are you afraid from them?
Pakistani Govt wants to save you guys, simply put. Majlis Khatm-e-Nabowat has only saved you guys, while you guys still do the preaching. Don’t tell me that Qadianis don’t do preaching in Pakistan.

Well strange. Of which Pakistan you’re talking about by the way? You said Government is trying to save us? Haha. I think you don’t know anuthing or you pretending to do so.
Government of Zia-ul-Haq gave clear orders to kill Ahmadis in 1980s. Not only this. I want to tell you some shocking realities. Government ordered in 80s to remover the Kalima Tayyaba written on the Masjids of Ahmadis otherwise they will be demolished. Ahmadis had to cover those Kalimas with boards as we’re Muslims we didn’t remove them. If you want to see then see on the walls of Majids of Ahmadis, you’ll see boards. There is Kalima beneath them. Now tell me who’s Muslim and who’s not. And if still anyone is protecting us then plz leave because according to verse of Quran

“Allaih Salla Bekafin Abdehi”
Translation : “Kia Allah apne bande ke liye kaafi nahin?”

And now about preach. Who says we don’t preach? Is it wrong? Kuffar-e-Makkah used all of there powers to stop Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) from preaching Islam. So do you think Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) stopped? No. Similar is the case with us. Enough answer.

You wrote :
Qadianis are low life thugs, they like to stay behind the curtains. They hire assassin to kill people like Maulana Yusef Ludhianvi.

Again I’ll say that it’s the result of Jahil Moulvis’ teachings. Jahil Moulvis and other political parties and agents kill each other and then try to put blame on Ahmadis but fails to do so. Because even our opponents appreciate us as one of the most peaceful people in this world. I’m asking about Pakistani good Ullema and many other countries. Even Pakistani Government never put such blames on us. Firas first validate your blame before writing here. No one will support you in atlest this case.

I think I’ve written alot and the longest comments. Now Firaz, Tania asked few questions. You didn’t answer them and enforced your questions. Now when I’ve given answers to your question, it’s your turn to answer ALL pf the questions of Tania. Will love to read your answers soon.

Wasalam,

Zeeshan

Zeeshan Qayyum,

Ghulam Qadian was an IMPOSTER, he didn’t know who he was,

first he claimed he was Mahdi, then he claimed he wa a Nabi then he claimed he is the 2nd coming of Jesus.

Qadianis claim that they follow Muhammad(S.A.W.W) yet they deny the teachings of Muhammad S.A.W.W.

Infact Qadianis have nothing to do with Muhammad (S.A.W.W).

In order to attract naive Muslims they start with Mullah bashing. I say long live Mullahs who are not contaiminated by the teachings of this IMPOSTER, GHULAM KAFIR QADIANI.

May Allah guide all the Muslims to follow the right path of Muhammad(S.A.W.W) and the Sahaba, who fought and killed two such IMPOSTERS, AMEEEN.

Again FIras, you didn’t give answers to questions but creating more questions for me. I’m ready to answer all of your answer till my death.

You wrote :
first he claimed he was Mahdi, then he claimed he wa a Nabi then he claimed he is the 2nd coming of Jesus.

You’re writing wrong. Remove all “THENS” amd insert “ANDS” to make it right. If he didn’t kow khow he was then he didn’t have more than two hundred million followers in the world. And Allah don’t allow IMPOSTERS to let people deviate from right path. Allah showed the results of all imposters before and after Hazrat Massih Maod (Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed) so why not he?

Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed claimed to be Messeih-Maud, Mehi-Maud, Immam Mehdi and the second coming of Jesus. You forgot Messeih.

Secondly you wrote :
Qadianis claim that they follow Muhammad(S.A.W.W) yet they deny the teachings of Muhammad S.A.W.W.

Please mention our deviations. I’ll explain when you’ll mention them. If it’s the topic of Jihad and something else, let me know and then I’ll prove that basically Ahmadis are real Muslims. Don’t think that I’ve said that you’re not a Muslim. You are a Muslim also. Mention here what explanation do you want.

Again at the end you got angry and put false alegations on Ahmadi Muslims. But this time I’m not going to repeat my answer again. Concentrate on a point.

I request you to please listen to the videos, of whom I’ve posted links. They’ll definitely help you. If you want any refernces from Quran or Hadees do write here or alternatively you can visit these sites:

http://www.alislam.org
http://www.real-islam.org

And beleive me I’m not leading you towards darkness. And clicking once will not led you to hell. It may clarify your mind towards Ahmadis. And remember I’m not preaching. Just defending. Don’t think that I’m writing this so that you convert or so.

At last just one request. If you find even a little truth in what I said then please stop writing Kafir withe name of Hazrat Masseih Maud. It really hurts Ahmadi Muslims. And remember Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) told to respect everyone including your opponents. You would never have heard such comments or language for non-Ahmadi Muslims by any Ahmadi.

Do take care of you.

Wasalam,

Zeeshan.

Ahmadis aka Qadyanis should cease from spreading interpretations and activities, which deviate from the principal teachings of Islam – which includes the spreading of the belief that there is another prophet in Islam with his own teachings after Prophet Muhammad (saw). If they don’t accept Prophet Muhammad (saw) to be the last prophet, than they cannot claim or call themselves Muslims.

Zeeshan,

Here is some thing that your prophet Ghulam Kafir Qadiani said:

http://www.ahmadibeliefs.com/allah
Immersion in remembrance of Allah is just like a sperm ejaculating into female genitals

Thus immersion in remembrance of Allah which is also called khusoo is similar to that state of sperm when it gets a form of ejaculation and drops into female genitals and there is no doubt it is a time of great ecstasy in physical state. However, just falling of that drop of semen inwards does not necessitate a relationship between womb and that sperm so that it is attracted toward the womb. Thus, similarly, spiritual enthusiasm and state of khushoo does not necessitate that such a person will have connection with the kind Lord and will be attracted to Him. Rather as the sperm gets into vulva of a whore through adultery then the person dropping the sperm gets the same delight as he gets with his wife. Thus the state of khushoo and enthusiasm of idol worshipers and creation worshipers is similar to that of adulterers. That is, khushoo of pagans and of the people who remember God for worldly reasons is similar to that sperm which goes into internal genitals of prostitute women and creates delight . (Braheen Ahmadiyya Vol.5 192)

This is what Ghulam Kafir Qadiani says about Jesus(AS)
Hazrat Sb beautifully describes his research on genealogy of Jesus

The family of Jesus was perfectly holy and immaculate. Jesus’ three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood the body of Jesus came into existence. May be it was a condition for divinity. His inclination for prostitutes and interaction with them might also be due to this ancestral relationship. (Anjam-e-Atham 291)

Ghulam Kafir Qadiani about Jews:
Mary’s hanging out with her fiancee Joseph before wedlock is a strong testimony of an Israelite custom. Going out with fiancees among people in some frontier tribes had exceeded the limits to such an extent that sometimes pregnancy comes before wedlock, yet it is not looked down upon and it is generally ignored with a smile. (Ayyam-al-Sulh 66 [rk300])

About Muslims:
All Muslims who do not love Hazrat Sb writings are offsprings of prostitutes

All Muslims regard my books with reverence and care and benefit from their sublime thoughts except those who are the offspring of prostitutes; God has put a seal upon their hearts and they do not accept me. (A’ina Kamalat Islam 547-548)

I watched the above mentioned program.I would like to condemn this program specially this session extrem strongly.As being an Ahmadie MUSlim I believe that no one has the right to blame on religious beliefs of others. This very disgusting program presented the wrong picture of ahmadies and their belief.The statement was given by the so called ULIMA invited in the programm were misguiding the viewers in terms of believe of ahmadies of ahmadies about khatm e nabuwat.The reaction of which has been immediatly seen in the form of inhumanity and cowardly act by killing two prominent ahmadies who were helpful citizen without any discrimination to society. I like to condemn the statement given by the guests that ahmadies should be killed all over the world due to their faith. My question is WHO they are to judge people and their belief. There FATWAS can bring havoc to people who are innocent and have not even common religious knowledge and bring severe astrocities to ahmadies, who are alredy suffering anctions to practise proper islma in the so called ISLAMIC state of pakistan. ALL MUSLIMS including who were conducting this programme believe on HOLY QURAN in which GOD says LA IQRAHA FID DEEN which means there is no compulsion in bvelieve DEEN.

wide world ahmadiya VS AAMIR HILAQAT
ALU KA PHARATA TU KIA SAMAJ TA HE APNE AAP KO CHOOOOOOOR ALLAH TUMHE MOOT KIE SAZAA DEE
INSHALAHA

ME AAMIR KO EEK IDEA DETIE HOON KE VO APNEE PROGRAM KA NAAM AALIM ONLINE KEE BAJAY “ZALEEM ONLINE” RAKHEE. LOGON KO PASAND BOHOT AYGAA

tum ho tee koon ho hamee QATAL karnee waalaa

aamir liaqat is liar criminal mind person and have no knowldge of islam and ask question from those who also need that AAPNI DUKAN DARI CHAMKI RAHAY many many questions could be raised in this regard and they cant even answer them if they r sincere with their religion in my opinion they have nothing to do with islam.i want to say them that please show the national assembly session which u or ur government have reorded in 1974 with AHMADIS to tell people the truth and reality .
nasir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=PWxtlepcw4c
it is open challenge from Ahmadies.Listen it and then proove it

i started liking aamir liaquat but after this show… he should be ashamed…beeing himself a shia, who have a different kalma, azan……….and calling ahmaddys (who have the same kalma azan…….) non-muslim is just ridiculous!!! how can u ppl (sunnis, shia etc) say dat ahmaddys dnt believe that hazrat muhammed (saw) isnt the last prophet when u urself dont believe that —-> u believe hazrat isa (as) will cum back which makes him the last prophet….i dnt thnk he knws anythng abt ahmmadys cuz v dnt say dat Hazrat Masih-e-maud is a prophet..v say dat he’s the imam mahdi, hazrat muhammad (saw) had revealed!!!! there r a lot of other thngs proving us rite n inshallah v’ll succeed cuz allah n his prophet(saw) r wid us!!!!
islam zindabad!!!!
ahmaddiyat zindabad!!!

Firas,

I swear by God that whatever you have quoted there as “writings” of Promised Messiah are nothing but either things translated into English totally wrongly to give a wrong impression or are total fabrications, or are things taken out of context. Have you ever read the writings of the Promised Messiah yourself or you just quote things by copying them from anti-Ahmadiyya websites. Do some research yourself with an open heart and with righteousness like a true Muslim, then you will see the truth only in Ahmadiyyat ie. the true Islam. So you stop changing the topic by quoting things from anti-Ahmadiyya websites and discuss the real issues and beliefs with us if you have the courage. You keep us calling non-Muslims but fail to give the reason. You want to discuss the issues, then I am ready but one by one and don’t try to change the topic by quoting these lies.

I wrote a long post earlier in the thread where I briefly touched and explained the lies of the anti-Ahmadiyya thugs like the ones in the program in discussion.

I will give some links for the sake of the unprejudiced, righteous readers:

1. Finality of Prophethood according to Quran, hadiths, openion of the Islamic scholars of the past on the issue, and the use and meaning of the word “Khatam” according to Arabic lexicon:

http://real-islam.org/khatim1.htm

2. Jesus’ (AS) death according to Quran:

http://real-islam.org/jesus/jesus1.html

3. Reply to anti-Ahmadiyya fabrications/allegations:

http://real-islam.org/reply/index.html

In a nut-shell, Ahmadis beleive in the Khatamiyyat of the Holy Prophet more than anyone else. Our understanding of the term Khatam is absolutely according to the teachings of Quran. Our understanding of the status of Jesus (AS) is totally according to Quran and hadith. In short there is not a single belief of Ahmadis that is in contradiction with the true teachings of Islam. On the contrary it is the non-Ahmadi Muslims whose beliefs and actions are in total contradiction to teachings of Islam. You just need an open and honest heart to understand this.

The sun is shining like with its full glory, you need to open the window of your heart to illuminate your own heart, otherwise your heart will remained drowned in darkness.

Wassalam,

Bilal

hellow every one
i want to give u all, a suggestion that please log on to http://www.alislam.org and see what is against islam.
please before doing anything or give ur opinion about Ahmadis visit our website.
muje in molweon se kuch kenha hai ka aapni dukan dari chamka kar islam aur pakistan ko nuksan matt pohanchao gusa hame bhi buhut ata hai lakin hum islam ka follower hain aur jo peacefull religion hai . itna besabre kuoon ho rahe ho molweo inshALLAH tum jaldi hakeekat dekh lo ga. in molweon ki aaik aaik baat ka jawab kuran aur hadees se dia ja sakta hai. kuoon nahi Ahmadioon ko bulata tv channel per molweon ka sath aamnae samnae live programm sawal jawab .mere musalman brother ya darte hain in k paas koi jawab nahi hai .Sachay dil se ALLAH paak se dua karo ka woh tumhari kudh rehnumai kare. ALLAH SAB PER FAZAL KARE
nasir

Dear all, On the one hand, when non-believers publish cartoons of the Holy Prophet (pbuh), we go ballistic put everything on fire. On the other hand, we take pride is humiliating someone who is regarded as a prophet by another person (although we may not agree to him). Is this justified by any standards? Why are Muslims being ridiculed everywhere in the world – I think this is not a million dollar question!

the history suggets that out of the followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (who according to dr.hussain most of them were uneducated) were prominent figures of the world such as Dr.Salam (the only nobel prize holder Muslim Scientist), Ch.Zafurullah Khan (first foreign minister of pak and first muslim Judge in world justice court),M.M Ahmad and so many others. I dont know which educated people he is coming from. he might be talking about Fazal ur Rehman or Sami ul Haq or Manzoor Chinioti. Stats of pakistani literacy rate show that Rabwah, the main city of ahmadi population is the most literate city of pakistan and if you guys want to see the real Islam in practice, go to that city.

These Ahemedis have high influence in parties like MQM and BLA because they have the same agenda…they want to distort Islam.

May Allah guide these Ahmedis, if they don’t deserve Hidaya may Allah destroy them just like the people of Muselma Kezzab and Aswad alUnsee. AMEEEN.

well said irfan shaib i was there in 2005 quite city getting bigger now my dad studied at TI college.One thing u forget to mention from Air marshal zafer ahmed ch ,air commodore imtiaz bhatti SJ the guy who fought first dog fite of paf in 1965 SQ leader munir ahmed SJ shaheed Gen abdulali malik sj hj his brother Akhter hussain malik HJ sj the founder and executer of opration Jabralter in kashmir mj gen iftikhar jangua sj at ran of kuch and so many.Dont forget your heroes guys they were pakistani first then they have any religen .

Krachi wala shahib we have high influence in west too we build the biggest mosque in canada at calgary and there was canadian primeminister the opposition leader and head of all other political parties in canada were present as well canada issue post stamps at our jasnhe tashker of hundrad years celebration american too issue deeds speeks sir ji there r pakistanis too who r inside jail on terrorism chargs including imam of mississauga mosque they call him head of that ring waiting for trial.ON the name of islam .

@ Karachi-Wasal. Brothor you’re saying that we have high influence in parties like MQM but you forgot that we are not a political party. We don’t have any links with these political parties. If you are blaming then provide proof. You’ll never get any proof because the Jamaat Ahmadia has the finest character in this world. Even our opponents accept this and don’t put such objections. One can criticize on our beleifs but everyone know what is the character of Jamaat-e-Ahmadia.

Well said Karachi-Wala. Who’s wrong gets destroyed like Muselma Kezzab. And that shows our truth that Allah protected us otherwise in the tenure of Zia-ul-Haq, Government of Pakistan fully tried to ruin us and destroy Jamaat Ahmadia.

According to an Ilhaam to Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, Allah said:
“I will give you a large party or Islam”

He got this prediction when he started preaching Allah’s teachings. And now after 119 years, this promise has been fulfilled by God. Now Jamaat Ahmadia has more than two hundred million (20 crore) followers in the world including more than fifty lack in Pakistan.

Allah do not let imposters to live rather Allah kills imposters himself. Think again.

What a shame……………..

janab so called muslim aap na kaha ka mta ko chalana ka lea paise kon deta hai janab doctor aamir sahib to geo se paise leta hai aur un ka aapna personal agenda hai kuoon nahi woh volunteer kam karta jabka mta main hundered of Ahmadis din raat bagair paisoon ka kam karta hain aur jamat chanda deti hai…now i come to ur other question that is related to ur and ur ulmas question that Ahmadis r being created by british government oo dear muje lagta hai tum logon ko samjh nahi shaeed .british umpire ya gaovernment hame create kare gi iss lea ka hum un ka nabi hazrat isa ko kehta hain ka sara anbia ki tarha foot ho chuka hain.aur tum loog christian ka agenda la kar chal raha ho ka jesus zinda hain to british aur american poda tum loog ho. Jab hazoor Muhammad SAW foot ho gae hain to kisi aur ka ya makam ka woh zinda raha hargaz nahi ho sakta.

@ Firas. Firas sorry I didn’t see your comments. Ya, I’ve seen your cuttings but again I’ll say Alas! These jaahil Moulvis have been successful in there mission. Firas it’s good that reference is there. Go and find these books from anywhere and read only only this. Start from little back and end at little forward to these writings. You’ll get your answers yourself. This site didn’t dare to copy past the whole book but rather pasted only the cuttings of there interest. I’ve read these books and that’s why I’m saying this.

2ndly you just copy pasted the questions so I’ll copy paste the answers of these questions here. This site contains answers for most of your questions. Specially the topic of Esa. It has a separate heading. See on the top. Clear answers to languge issues.

And better you try to get atleast one book. Especially Izalah-e-Uham. From which these cuttings are taken. You’ll get to know everything yourself. Secondly as Bilal said that English translations are not right. The makers of this site fully tried to give it a wrong colour.

Again Firaz you didn’t give answers, and most importantly didn’t reply to the proofs I gave but again tried to divert the topic. I’ve already seen the site of whom link you gave. But Alas! That creaters of this site didn’t read the whole book or atleast nothing around these cuttings. And the people with less knowledge are easily being grasped by this website.

A doctor who completed his studies in the States and went back to his home country to help his people. Not looking at whether they were muslim or non-muslim, as a good human he devoted his life to his country, did he deserve to be killed in the name of Allah? What will happen to the poor who depended on this no cost blessing. So as for you so called doctor I have no words to say other than shame on you.
Next time fear god and let gods world live in peace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BD2ni8DSYk

Listen to Khatme Nabu’wat authortative answer from Ahmadi to correctly understand our believe.

For more information visit: http://www.alislam.org/

dear frnds,
can anyone ask mr amir i mean mr jahil tht if ahmadis were the non muslims thn howcome they have been survivng frm the last hundred years mr jahil pls do comment on tht and wht u have done is a non human act and u have blood of two innocent people on ur hands and ALLAH will never forgive u mr jahil

‘JHOTAAY PER ALLAH KI LANAT”

khatum is an arabic word interpreted wrongly by pakistani mulaan.there r many other interpretation of this word existed.and please keep in ur mind that in arabic the word khaatum and urdu the word khtum is two different words.if the wrongly interpretation of these mulaans accepted for a while then please give me the answer of a simple question that all the muslims have the believe that imam mahdi will come will he a prophet of ALLAH if not then how could he guide or lead the muslims without getting guidence from ALLAH .if he could not get guidance from ALLAH then how would he be different from other leaders or molana .only the servent of Muhammad SAW and prophet imam mahdi could change the spirtual condition of muslims and give them life ,other so called stories of mulaans r fake.

THIS HAVE INJURED THE FEELINGS OF MEMBERS OF AHMADIA MUSLIM COMUNITY. AND ALSO CAUSED MURDER OF DR. ABDUL MANAN SIDDIQI AND SAITH YOUSAF.

ALL AHMADIES STRONGLY PROTEST AGAINST SUCH PROGRAMES PRODUCED AND PRESENTED ON ELECTRONIC MEDIA PREACHING AND PRACTICE HATRED AGAINST THE AHMADIA MUSLIM COMUNITY BY FANATICS AND EXTREMISTS SUCH AS DR AAMIR LIAQAT HUSSAIN AND HIS ACCOMPLICE TO BE STOPPED IMMEDIATELY.

People forget one VERY IMPORTANT thing : In an Islamic State ‘Murtid’s’ are Wajib-ul-Qatal. BUT IMPORTANTLY it is the duty & responsibility of the STATE, not of every individual who has a weapon in his hands. When we give examples of Hazrat Abu Bakar or Hazrat Umer they were acting as Caliphs of Islam, not in their individual capacities.

Furthermore, a ‘Murtid’ is someone who has accepted Islam & then turned away to Kufr. However, his children CANNOT in any circumstances be considered Murtid but they are considered Kafir because they have been bought up in such surroundings.

I think that the majority of Ahmedi’s today will not be converts from Islam but rather born into the religion.

I blame our Ulema for not clarifying & then not condemning these acts of violence which should be classified as Murder of innocent individuals which the Quran says is like the killing of the whole of humanity.

Amir should not have said on public media but lets be clear:

Qadyaniism is NOT a sect of Islam like Sunni and Shias. they are non-Muslims just like any other non-Muslim community on earth. Associating them with Islam is as pathetic as Mirza’s claims for being next Prophet. Qadyanis by defnition of Islam are not Muslims anyway but it doesnt give anyone license to kill them freely.

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Guess What??? All you guys who call Aamir Liaquat Hussain as Doctor… There is a good news for you… You can become a Doctor in less than a month for only $500 (even if you failed intermediate examination, still you are eligible) and you know what? you dont have to do anything else… Just keep following your So called schollar Aamir Liaquat Hussain and get DR label as he did.

So now even after you attach DR label with your name soon, please still dont call your self as an educated person as you will still say a “JAHIL” even though you can call yourself “PARHA LIKHA”.

Shame on you PARHA LIKHA guys now, you love and follow a person who buys degrees to become and MNA. If that person did not start his life with such lies, you guys still would not even know him. Now so many people who think they are muslims are following this lier.

All of you guys who call themselves a muslim and beleive that killing a human is a good deed, please ask your soul when was the last time when you read your last Namaz other than Jumma prayer? If by any chance you prayed once lately… when was the last time when you prayed all five prayers in a day. For your information Dr. Abdul Manan Siddiqui was known to be very punctual in his five daily prayers. I wounder how guys like you will go and kill someone who says Kalma, reads Qura’an rgularly and says Kalima.

If by any chance one of your so called educated persons think that he is regular in his five prayers… it is good for you but there is no need to tell that to us in this forum.

Now for all of you that call yourself followers & lovers of prophet Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH)… As far I remember, my first introduction to prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in my early childhood was as “Rehmat-ul-il-Aalimeen”, maybe some of you guys got his introduction as “terrorist” (Nauzbillah) by your parents :(
Now some of you might have ever read about the life of Holy Prophet (PBUH) as what I know about him, he really was a Rehmat for the world; and not a killer. His REHMAT was equal for all Muslims and non-Muslims. Himself did not declare anyone as “WAJIB UL QATAL” even though maximum ever enemies of Holy Prophet PBUH existed during his own lifetime. History confirms that biggest ever enemy of Hazrat Muhammad PBUH was “ABU JAHAL” and you know how was he treated by “Rehmat-ul-il-Aalimeen”? He was never declared as “Wajib ul Qatal” even though he tried his best to kill Holy Prophet PBUH. He never even ordered to kill any of the MUNAFIQEEN because of this.
So the followers of Holy Prophet PBUH follow him trying to bring Rehmat to the whole Humanity and believe that killing someone is biggest sin (GUNAH-e-KABERA) . While those of you followers of “ABU JAHAL” still believe that a human humanity can be killed or should be killed. ABU JAHAL (father of all JAHILs) used to think that he was the most literate person of the time and you JAHIL followers of your father ABU JAHAL still call yourself as educated. Going to schools and universities or buying fake degrees may make you eligible to call yourself educated but does not make you literate.
Now the extract of above is that people who bring Rehmat to the whole world may call themselves followers of Prophet Muhammad PBUH. Even the non-muslims who bring peace to the world are somehow following Holy Prophet.
And those of you who like to say “Kill kill kill” etc. and believe that they have right to declare anyone as “Wajib ul Qatal”, you may think twice about yourself, who are you following Hazrat Muhammad PBUH or ABU JAHAL? See you guys need to claim that you are educated… if you were literate… you did not have to say that you are educated… as your comments would speak for you… but you had to mention is as you are actually talking JAHAL but want to claim as being educated.
FYI Holy Qura’an says killing an innocent person (who did not kill anyone else) is the murder of Humanity. Some of you might still believe on Holy Qura’an a bit more than your beloved Aamir Liaquat.
Now about someone being Muslim or Non-Muslims…
Most of the Muslims know that Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH described that a Muslim is one who says Kalima. Now in definition it might be as that a Muslim is the one who says Kalima and then believes on it. Holy Prophet PBUH said even if you think that the person is reading Kalima because of your fear or to save his life and you kill him, you murdered a Muslim. As you have no right to decide if he is saying that from the bottom of his believe or believes otherwise. Now Holy Prophet PBUH himself did not declare a person as non-Muslim whoever read Kalima once even though apparently he was just trying to save his life. If Holy prophet left this on Allah and did not decide himself also did not let the best of his companion to decide it; how come these NAM NIHAD MULLAHs think that they can do so? Do they think they have better knowledge of Islam than Holy Prophet PBUH?
Now if you guys have listened to his program himself this JAHAL/Jahil online… he himself admitted that Qadianies do read the same Kalima, read the same Namaz the same way, do Fast same as rest of the Muslim world and also do charity. Unfortunately they are not allowed to go for pilgrimage but if they were allowed to do so I am sure they would have not stayed back.
Some of you might know that these five are called PILLARS of ISLAM. These JAHILs online would declare followers of these Pillars and Non-Muslims and people like you who do not follow these Pillars still claim themselves as Muslims and like to give FATWA-E-KUFR about anyone.
I am amazed by you guys who call themselves Muslims and educated while you guys think that they can blame on anyone or anything. You guys love to declare anything as your Fatwa while you don’t know about it. You blame Jews for making sects in Islam? Do you know when the first division between Muslims was? Do you know that sectarianism in Islam started only a few years after Holy Prophet at the time of Hazrat Usman Ghani followed by further divisions and even wars within Muslims at Karbala… For your information, there were no Jews in that area that would have done such planning. Only we the Muslims are responsible for these partitions who blindly follow such JAHILs for whom religion is just a business and a way to earn money. These are the guys who divide Muslims by misleading and misguiding them. Who is responsible for this? Jews? No… responsibility is on Muslims ourselves as we ourselves don’t know much about Qura’an and Hadith so that’s why we need these MULLAHs and give them a chance to take us over and mislead us. When they say something in Arabic, we get impressed because we don’t know Arabic. When they say something and refer it to Qura’an or Hadith then again we immediately get impressed because we don’t have enough knowledge of these and as they say things we don’t understand, we start thinking that they have a lot of knowledge and understanding of Qura’an and Hadith. When they quote a lot of Ayat and Hadith, it does not mean that they have actual understanding of it or they are showing you the right picture; for them it is just a business and they will show you the picture they want as they can easily exploit your lack of knowledge. They do work hard for their business as everyone else does for their own business while these MAZHAB KEY THEKEDAR memorize these Ayat and Hadith. We on the other hand do blindly believe them and never double check the reference they provided. If someone does confirm the Ayat, he will be happy to confirm the Arabic and would hardly read the translation. If by any chance read the translation, then will not read before and after it to properly understand it.
As someone mentioned here before how the MULLA on that program JAHILs online misguided the nation by telling them about saying of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed about name of three cities in Qur’an.
These Mullas say that Ahmadies follow offer prayers, read Qura’an, say Kalima and do all other Islamic practices to mislead other Muslims and they run their Television channels and show Islamic things in them while they don’t believe in them.
They also…
- Print their books with all Islamic teachings…
- Run multiple televisions showing all Islamic teachings and spreading the message of Islam
- Practice all pillars of Islam as a Muslim does
- As mentioned by someone here that they translated Qura’an in over 60 languages
- Serve humanity as guided by Islam
Now those of you who believe themselves as educated, tell me something… You know most of Muslims now days don’t offer they regular prayers, don’t regularly read Namaz, don’t regularly Fast, etc. even though they have a right to call themselves a Muslim according to the constitution of Pakistan.
Now even though constitutional Muslim who also believe in these things don’t practice Islam (prayers, etc) properly, why would someone do such a hard work while they don’t even believe in it even it is harder for the believers as well. And these guys keep doing so during the whole lives and even die for it (after being declared Wajibul Qatal), teach these things to their children etc. Why would someone play with their lives and religion like this? What could be someone’s intension? You might say that one can do it for money but you know no one will ruin their children’s life for money and teach them a fake believe to follow whole of their lives. Does it make sense to you that someone can play with their lives and even their children’s life like this? For money???? It does not make sense to me atleast.
Now about Pakistan… these MULLAHs that were against the independence of Pakistan and existence of Pakistan since the beginning, they were against Qaid-e-Azam since the beginning and now are claiming to be TEKEDAR of RELIGION in Pakistan… Do you know if there was any Religious body or party participated in PAKISTAN MOVEMENT??? No… None of these… and you know that the only religious body that helped Qaid and participated in Tehrik-e-Pakistan was this Ahmadiyya Jamat. Now those enemies of Pakistan have became Religious Thekedar in Pakistan and Declare others as Non-Muslims….
Constitution defines them as non-muslims???
This is not the constitution provided by God but it is the one mended by these MULLAs that keep Religion as their business. That meeting and decision your JAHIL online was celebrating… Do you know what happened in it? Do you know there was a debate between Ahmadies and all these MULLAs from many other sects… If that decision was based on any truth… why the proceeding of these meetings (IJLAS of PARLIMENTS) are hidden from public? Do you know that this is the only proceeding of Parliament meetings in the history of Pakistan that is locked for so many years and not being released to public. If they had any true in this Ijlaas… why don’t they release those to normal Public so the public can also decide something by themselves…
About Khatam-e-Nabuwat…
If someone really wants to do justice… instead of listening to these JAHIL and JHOTAY MULLAHs check what Ahmadies say about it. Who knows you may find that they believe on Khatam-e-Nabuwat more and in a better way than these MULLA. If someone really thinks he is educated, I am providing you with the official website of these Ahmadies and Qadianies which will explain all of their believes. Check these believes and then figure out yourself if they should be treated as a sect of Islam or should be declared as non-Muslims?
Offical website of Ahmadiyya Jama’at
http://www.alislam.org (check this and you might be able to refresh your own believes while reading about them….
As mentioned by the JAHILs online… they also run some TV channels propagating message of islam….
Why don’t you check it by yourself???
http://www.mta.tv (watch their TV live on the web and see if they talk against Islam or talk as Muslims? Running such satellite TV channels even without advertisements is not a small thing and one cannot manage such a big project against their believes.
Check how they are serving Humanity around the world… (as per Uswa-e-Rasool PBUH)
Humanity First is the only NGO around the world serving humanity with zero administration cost; which means that the organization does not have any employees and only volunteers run such big projects.
Here is a link to their international website…. Check its regional sites to see their work around the world.
http://www.humanityfirst.org

Check all of the above to actually know about them instead of being misguided by these Mullas

By the way those of you sunni lovers of this JAHIL Online for your information this JAHIL also have “WAJIB-UL-QATAL” fatwa about you guys…
Here is a link to one of his speach on Birthday of Hazrat Ali when he expresses his hate for Sahaba Ikram while he tells that he will continue his WAR against Ameer Mawiya and followers…

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7323882660394620576&ei=mizLSNZ5i4T7AfzDmbMC&q=Dr.+Amir+Liaquat&hl=en

Wassalam

Dont forget to visit …

http://www.teeth.com.pk/blog/2005/03/10/jahil-online

and

http://ummat.com.pk/Kahanian/misc_stories/aamir_liaquat.htm

to get some more information about your favourite Lier Mullah

Islam is a religion of peace and Ahmadiyyat too. But your so called “Ullemas” are against peace. No one has the right to say us non-muslims. Only Allah kows who is a muslim and who not. You cant’t read the heart of other people and blame them. It is against humanity to kill innocent people.

Ager ahmedies vajubal qatal hain, to yeh (Maulana hazraat) jin per Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w) nay laanat dali hay ye tu vajbul afaat hain. Inn per Allah ke Aafatain hoon gee. Jis tarah Zia Ul Haq aik Ibrat Naaq Muat Mara tha , Jis tarah aik saal pehlay zalzalay nay buhat say injaisay bhatkay huay logoon ko lukma ajal bana dala woo zalzala aath(8) ahmediyoon kay qatal kee vajah say aaya tha. aur ab ager tum aik ahmadi ko Qatal karo gay to Allah aik hazaar ahmadies peda ker day gaa, Ager tum aik ahmadi ko Qatal karo gay to Allah tum jaisay hazaaroon ko zalzaloon say, aasmaanee aafatoon say tumaray tukray tukray kerday gaa . Azmaloo. Allah hamaisha hamaray saat hay aur is waqat bhee hamare ta’aeed may hay.

Hamrah Imaan hay kay Hazarat Muhammad(s.a.w.) Khatim ul Ambia hain. Aur Hazrat Masih Maud ( Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani ) shachay Ashiq- k- Rasool hain. Aur Imam –Medhdi hain jis key paish goee Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w) nay apnee Ahadess may key hay .

Hamrah Imaan hay k Allah Aik Hay , Is Kay siwah Koyee Ibaadat Kay Laik Nahee , Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w.) Allah kay Rasool Hain.

Inn Mulanaas Key kia majaal kay Islam ko aapnay haat may layker kisis ko kafar kahain . Ager yeh Shachey hain dekaadain 1973 kay Isambly ke karvaayee jis may Ahmadiyon ko fatah hoyee thee mager Shah faisal kay kahnay per Zulifqar Ali Bhutto sahib nay Jamaat –e- Ahmadia koo Islam say Kharij Ker diya thaa. Aur Bhutto sahib , Imam Mehdi kay teesray Khalifa Hazrat Mirza Nasir Saheb kay samnay jaker mafee mangtay huay kehta hay “Mirza Sahib Main apnay dono Haat katwa chukka hoo” tu pir kia hua Bhutto sahib kay saat woo sab jantain hain Is kay baad Aik neya KALMA inn mulanoon nay banaya “Allah Aik Hay , Is Kay siwah Koyee Ibaadat Kay Laik Nahee ,Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w.) Allah kay Rasool Hain aur aap kay baad aanay wala koee bhee nabee ya Imam mehdi jhuta hay” yea naya kalma jo kay hamaray Pakistan kay Constitution may shamil hay jis kee khaber Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w.) ko nahee hay.Yeh kalma per ker Insaan Islam may dakhil hoga.
Rasool Allah nay Quran main jaga jaga nahaq qatal mana fer maya hai. Yeh sab aap jantain hain.

Quote from hadees

Aik dafa Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W), nay aik sahabi ko lushker ka sapa salaar bana ker bhaija us jang main may jab wo aik adami ko qatal kernay lagay tu us adami nay KALMA perlia lekin phir bhee un sahabi nay us adami ka qatal qerdia. Jab yea khaber Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w) ko pmilee .tu aap itnay khafa huay kay un sahabee ka kehna tha kay may dua magta raha kay aap khamosh ho jayain.

Tu kia yeh Maulanaaz dilon kay bhaid janhtain hain yeh tu phir Khudayi ka dawaa huwa.
Yeh maulanaaz khada kay aur Rasool ullah kay dhutkaaray huan hain in per aab Allah ke laanat pertee raha gee .

Allah Hafiz

Rightly said Mr Adnan Siddiqui. Qadyaniism is NOT a sect of Islam like Sunni and Shias. Absolutely true. Its not a sect. It is TRUE ISLAM, It is real picture of Islam. Its is a jammat which follows the teachings of The Holy Prophet SAW and his companions. It does not follow Illiterate mullas of Pakistan and other countries.

Dear Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib,

I am writing to you in English as my Urdu is not that great. However, since you received revelations in English (let’s overlook the poor grammar, shall we?) and since no doubt you are with your esteemed friends, including Maulvi Muhammad Ali, whose grasp of English I understand was very good, getting a translation shouldn’t be a problem.

I appreciate that you are no longer alive, but since you measure the success of the mission of the Promised Messiah in terms of the lifetime of the movement, I thought the matter of your being on this realm or not was hair-splitting. Incidentally, I looked for the Promised Messiah in the Holy Qur’an, but couldn’t find him. I couldn’t find Hadhrat Imam Mahdi there either. Oh, I found Hadhrat Isa, but let’s face it, you’re not the same person. As for Krishna, I found no reference to him in our Noble Qur’an either. So please excuse me if in my confusion over your identity, I simply refer to you as respected Mirza Sahib.

This is an open letter, and I’m sure that those who are still loyal to your jama’at and who will remember me as being loyal to your jama’at before November 2004 will find the way I have addressed you to be a little disrespectful, not calling you Hazoor and all that, a term that I feel is more appropriate for the Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW by the way. I know you said that “those who distinguish between me and Mustafa, have neither seen me, nor recognised me”, but I’m sorry, although I’ve only seen your picture – you definitely aren’t the Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW. I know you’re from India, but aren’t you taking this Hindu concept of reincarnation a little too far?

In case this stings you slightly, I should point out that the Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW, whom you followed in perfection to the point of being a second and improved advent of him was never averse to questions. Or was it Hadhrat Isa you claimed to be a second advent of? Or Krishna? Or was it all the prophets? I apologise for my confusion!

Since you have also abrogated the Qur’anic injuction of Jihad of the sword (Qital) for all time, I thought you would be open to a Jihad of the pen and thus my open letter. Don’t worry if you can’t reply yourself, I’d be happy to hear from one of your progeny, I mean, successors, seeing as they get revelations too. Maybe you could inspire them to reply?

Please excuse my frankness. As I say, I mean you no disrespect, this is merely my style. If you find me provocative, then I mean to provoke thought, not anger, you should consider me a friend! I really wouldn’t want you to write me a letter with a thousand numbered invocations of laanat. Since you have done this before, I wouldn’t want to get on the wrong side of you and receive perhaps 10,000 laanats or more, all diligently numbered.

Hey! That gives me an idea! If you had followed this example to its logical conclusion, then perhaps you could have delivered on your original promise of 50 volumes of the Braheen-i-Ahmadiyya after all, instead of reneging on your deal with Muslims and delivering only 5 volumes! I can understand why you had been criticising and abusing the poor suckers who had been waiting 20 years who foolishly asked for their money back. After all, didn’t they see the funny side of you deleting only a single dot from the promised figure? These Muslims! No sense of humour!

If you had followed my suggestion, perhaps you could have filled the 45 missing volumes with laanats for all of your enemies! Or for all future enemies! For all of Islam in fact, because over a billion Muslims still don’t believe in you and therefore, as you say, are not really Muslims anyway. So that’s OK then. Anyway, I digress – that way, you could have avoided all those unfair accusations that you were not setting a good example in terms of sticking to promises; or just as bad, that you had gone back on a business deal and that the customers of the transaction were indignant about only getting a tenth of what they paid for.

Never mind, we could always get one of your divinely-ordained progeny, I mean of course, an independent Khalifa who is not necessarily a direct descendant of your family and heir to your money (silly me, I meant the money you took from those suckers that believed you, just because you were as charismatic and brilliant at debate as any modern cult leader – I’d love to see who’d win a mubahila between you and L. Ron Hubbard) to write the missing volumes and claim that they were there all along, but that “stupid Muslims” hadn’t seen them or asked about them. It would be so easy, I mean, as you know, nowadays we have the word processor and we have cut and paste! Damn! If you had had these things in your day, you might have been able to do it yourself! Just hit Ctrl-V for half a day (you could do it between Fajr and Asr, since you had time because you were in the habit of doing Zohr and Asr together, great time-saver! How else were you going to break the cross, eh?) and you would have been able to stick to your promise!

Oh the bit about your family, I meant Hakim Noor-u-din notwithstanding; let’s face it, Ahmadiyyat was more his idea than yours anyway. I don’t think you denied that. You were just the front-man. The charismatic leader who could contradict himself a thousand times, but like Tony Blair, never get chucked out of your God-appointed office. You were untouchable. Whoops, didn’t quite mean it like that, you know what I mean!

Oh there’s a bit of confusion for me right there. You said your office was appointed by the “stamp”-like seal of the Holy Prophet SAW. I was under the impression that only Allah had the power to appoint prophets. My bad. Sorry for the misapprehension.

You handing over power to your brother-in-arms (oh, we can’t have that, you abrogated arms, whilst confiscating alms) … your brother-in-no-arms after your death probably inspired Prime Minister Tony Blair. Looks like he won’t hand over power to Gordon Brown until after his own demise either. And like Noor-u-din, Brown was always the real brains and Power behind the Throne. Of course – your throne is the greatest of all sent down according to what your God told you. Do you remember? I think you’re so impressive – that people still believed you after you made such obviously over-the-top claims about your own grandiosity and enormity.

Remember, you were promising 300 proofs of the superiority of Islam? I had an idea! Although you delivered only one proof in the end, you could have argued that since Allah is One, to have delivered 300 proofs might have implied a compromise in His Unity (God forbid). In fact, you could have just deleted the nukhtas and said “Since the difference between 300 and 3 is only two nukhtas, my promise has been fulfilled to those of understanding”. But wait! That still leaves you with two proofs too many! I know, you could have added “Allah revealed to me that three proofs is abrogated for all time, and He said He doesn’t want anything to do with the number “3″ as it represents the Trinity and the ideology of the cross. And I have to get on with destroying that. My job role as Promised Messiah is too important an issue to set aside just to be fair and reasonable! So since I am here to show that there is no ‘3’, and there is only ‘1’, I have kept my promise”. Oh and of course, I almost forgot. Your job role as the Promised Messiah also obviated your requirement to do Hajj. People should understand that breaking the cross, which of course you did, oh wait, no, Christianity increased both during your office term and after it; let’s think about that one for a bit. Anyway, we’ll work out a good excuse as to why “the second advent of the Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW” didn’t do Hajj.

Those “idiot Muslims” who were expecting you to stick to the letter of your word should have known that Allah Himself told you directly that you are to Him as His Unity and Uniqueness. Not even the Holy Prophet SAW could have claimed such a revelation! Isn’t your jama’at lucky to have you? Then again, you have claimed to be a more perfect advent of RasulAllah SAW and people really shouldn’t be expecting you to be so earthly as to condescend to honour a public transaction. That would mean you offered nothing new in Islam! No Shariah, no deal. It doesn’t matter that there is no concept of a Shariah-free-prophethood mentioned in the Holy Qur’an, since you are the best person to interpret it until Judgement Day.

Let’s face it, one of your greatest achievements was the new and interesting way you interpreted the Holy Qur’an! What were all those Arabs thinking of that they didn’t even understand their own language that it took a man of Mongolian, I mean, sorry, Persian descent to tell them what the Holy Qur’an really meant? You came to reform, to guide, to innovate all those great thinkers. Even Imam Bukhari got it wrong with his Sahih Bukhari, don’t you think? All that stuff about the Holy Prophet SAW being the last in the line of prophets! What a daft idea! It was something that no native Arab speaker for 1400 years got the hang of!

Anyway, what’s wrong with a fresh idea? What would be the point in another prophet like you if he was not going to be innovating in religion, even though Allah Himself has expressly forbidden it? Like your God said to you, if it wasn’t for you, He wouldn’t have created the heavens! I guess He created the Qur’an for you too, right? I mean, He did reveal it to you again. Maybe you think He got it wrong the first time? Maybe you think you understood it better than the Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW and his Sahaba? Oh wait. You have Sahaba too, right? This is all getting a bit confusing.

Respected Mirza Sahib, I don’t mean to poke fun. You see, I’m of the Internet generation. We ask questions. We want to learn. We don’t just take things at face value. That might make us a little impertinent, but we don’t want to be taken for a ride. I’m sure you wouldn’t want innocent people taken for a ride. Would you?

Well, I’m sure you’re busy getting ready for your heavenly nikkah with Muhammadi Begum, that is assuming her legitimate and rightful husband doesn’t object, but who is he to stand in the way of such a great prophet, right? I know you can’t write back, but I know you’ll find a way of reading this. Perhaps you can ask Allah to inspire one of your descendants to respond? I’d love to know what you think of my ideas.

Wassalam,

Shahid Kamal Ahmad
20th January 2005

dear friends i saw this program it is really very shamfull for Dr. Amir (program host) that he is producing voilence in islam and specially in Pakistan. he is producing hatred in muslim facts (firkavariet)which is very bad thing.its all against the sunna of Muhammad PBUH against the real Islam.In Islam no one has right to decide that who is muslim or not. indeed Dr. Amir is doing this to earn money and name in politics he is really doing a bad job.he is not serving islam,he is just producing hate in islam .Amir please forgive muslims and dont do your dirty job .please amir you should know LOVE FOR ALL HATERD FOR NON in True Islam ok allah tallah Dr. Amir ko hadayt dy

http://www.youtube.com/user/shahidkamal

I dont want to comment anything about his authenticity. but before boasting in his favour one should better look at the view of muslim Ulema’s news paper “The Ummat”. the link is
http://www.ummat.com.pk/Kahanian/misc_stories/aamir_liaquat.htm

that was real shameful. it was real act of cowardness. agar amir liaqat wanted the trth tu us ko chahie tha k wo kisi ahmadi scholar ko b bulata aur phir bat hoti

Assalamolaikum,
I am new to this site and i am very surprised to see the fake degree’s photos of Mr. So called Aalim Online. Even though the university of karachi who authenticated the degrees and did not keep the copies for there future records. So Mr. Aalim oh i mean Mr. Jahil is not a doctor either. We just need look back before the creation of our motherland, these so called Muslim scholars were against the creation of Pakistan. They even called Pakistan “Paledistan, kafiristan”, and our beloved Qaid “kafir-e-Azam”. They were the Ahraries who were against pakistan not Ahmadies. Mulas were with Congress. Qaid-e-Azam wanted to Pakistan be Socialist country not a country full of extremist or Talibans. Ahmadies have done tremendous efforts in the creation of pakistan and later on did help securing pakistan from its enemies. Not long ago our enemy attached on pakistan with 500 + tanks and guess what the commander of that battle happend to be Brigadier Abdul Alla Malik who decided to go against GHQ’s recommendations to withdaw to secure lahore, instead he called urgent meeting and address every soldier, he said that if we withdraw from here than no one be able to stop them and later at the end of the battle world saw what happened. It’s known that indian withdrew empty handed. How one can forget his elder brother “General Iftekhar Malik” who fought against indian bravely. pakistanies should never forget the Sir Muhammad Zaffarulla khan, the first Foreign Minister of Pakistan who fought for Kashmir in UN, we celebrate the Kashmir day and we always call UN for their declarations on Kashmir but who was behind all this work. We as a Pakistani don’t have time to figure it out and we let others to tell us and believe them. How can pakistani Gov’t forget when they requested Ahmadi Imam to prepare soldiers to fight against indians, thousands went without any hesitation to fight with enemy. How can we forget our president who took over power from Bhutto, An Ahmadi eye specialist who was also general in the Pakistan army did operation on Zia-ul-haq eye. Now Ahmadies can’t get promotion after certain positions in the pakistan army, what a shame. This is our dilemma that those who were against Pakistan are in power and those who were for pakistan are in big trouble. This is our tragedy that our cream is leaving pakistan or left pakistan and helping other nations to build their societies.
May Allah Take Care of Pakistan.

please check this web site our for your information.

http://www.thepersecution.org/50years/kashmir.html

This is just absurd. Tell me one thing. You say we dont believe that Hazrat Muhammad saw was the last prophet when we do. But then you say that Hazrat Eesa is still alive. Wouldn’t That make HIM the last prophet?

if there is no prophet after hadhrat Mohammad may peace be upon him, what will be the status of hadhrat Issah. HE WILL NOT BE THE PROPHET WHEN HE WILL WILL APPEAR 2ND TIME.WHERE IS MEHDI.I STRONGLY BELEIEVE LOVE FOR ALL, HATERED FOR NONE.

Ahmadies are true Muslims as they believe completely on the prophethood of Hazrat Mohammad May peace be upon him.
Anyone wishes to enter into covenant of allegiance should swear on the following from the core of his heart.

1.That till the last day of his life, he shall abstain from shirk (associating any partners with Allah).
2.That he shall keep away from falsehood, cruelty, adultery, dishonesty, disorder, rebellion and every kind of evil.
3.That he shall offer prayers (Salat) five times daily.
4.That he shall not inflict injury on any of Allah’s creatures.
5.That he would bear every hardship for the sake of Allah.
6.That he shall not follow vulgar customs and guard against evil inclinations.
7.That he shall discard pride and haughtiness, live in humility & meekness
8.That he shall hold his faith, dignity, and the welfare of Islam dearer than his own life, wealth and children.
9.That he shall have sympathy for all of God’s creatures, and devote his talents to their welfare.
10.That he shall establish brotherhood with me (i.e.Ahmad), obeying me in all good things, and firmly adhere to these rules until the last breadth of his life.

salam to all.as a muslim we should pray to THE ALLAH ALMIGHTY to open up our hearts for the truths.if mr aamir is right or the govt of 1974 was right then y they hide the actual inside story of wht was happened in the assembly. now again the same govt has come NOW MR AMIR U HAVE FAITH ON ALLAH THEN PLS SAY TO THE GOVT TO OPEN UP THAT FILE AGAIN AND SHOW THAT WHOLE PROGRAMME ON GEO WITHOUT ANY CONTRADICTION.THEN THE LOYAL PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN WILL UNDERSTNAD THE TRUTH.INSHALLAH.

Mullas have done a great job especially in Pakistan. Once I was touring with one of my friends in a remote area of Pakistan. It was Namaz time and we wanted to offer prayres in the mosque but we did not know where the mosque is. An old man was working in his crops. I asked him if there is any mosque in that village? He said no.. not in this village. I asked him is there any school in the village? He said no. I asked him is there any place where children learn to read Holy Quran? He said no. I asked him if he knew Kalama-e-Tayyeba? He read but in toltally wrong way. To finish my conversation I asked him if he know about Mirzaees or Qadianis? He said oh yeah they are kafirs as the Maulvi Sb in next village mosque says. Well done Mulla. You could not teach them about the basics of Islam but told them very important thing without which their Aakhrit will be at risk.They will never publish that discussion of Alcohlic National Assembly of Pakistan which decided about Ahmadis. These Mullas are the worst creature under the blue sky and their job is only to cause conflicts between Muslims as they have been doing in past and now. They can’t live without it as if they stop doing this who will give them Halwa. Halwa is not only sweat dish it may be diesel or ministries in federation or good money to present promgram on Geo. Carry on Ahmadis. You are the real followere of Hadhrat Khatam Al Anbia Hadhrat Muhammad Mustafa SAW and you have to spread his message across the corners of the world. These illiterate people cant harm you.

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as ex Qadyani said, Mirza Qadyani(Lanatullah Alhaye) ’s Qadyanism was nothing but a cult rose among Punjabis in the beginning of last century and could not flourish further beyond. The truth is that most of the Qadyanis today belong fro Punjab and many of them are reverting back to Islam Alhamdolillah.

The plain fact about Mirza Qadyani(Lanatullah Alhaye) is that he died in washroom. tsk tsk. SUch a “smelly” death yet his followers busy to declare that moron sacred.

Go and curse your Mirza that why did he die in washroom and why all of his prophecies went false?

Sharif: Jesus(AS) will join as UMMATI of Mohammad(SAW) rather exhibiting his Prophethood status. Jesus was prophet for Children of Israel. His second arrival would be sure very noble but not with status of Prophet.

Irony is, these qadyanis believe that Jesus is burried in Kashmir. I bet these qadyanis belief did bring smile on others face.

@Meer: I myself is not a deobandi but unlike yo I don’t follow that stupid Kokab who dont start Jumma prayers unless a handsome amount of Money is received in form of CHANDA. It was pretty easy to refute guys like Kokab

read here:

http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/

AWW
Who would resort to violence?What did the Holy Prophet (saw) teach us? Did he ever engage in Offensive attacks?
At the worst of the most atrocious persecutions of Muslims in Mecca, he preached Patience and Perseverance. AT NO TIME did he advocate retaliation of any kind.
When he was finally given the permission to take up arms, it was only in DEFENCE.
Is it any wonder that today Violence is used against Sunnis/Shias/Ahmadis etc IN THE NAME OF ISLAM? Or is it a smoke screen to justify abominable acts of barbarism against humanity?

@Adnan Siddiqui,

When you take pride is humiliating someone who is regarded as a prophet by a group of people (although you do not agree to them), do you have any right to protest when the cartoons of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) are published by people who do not recognise him a prophet? There is no difference between you and them.

Muslims are being ridiculed everywhere in the world because of the hypocrites like you. Shame on you!!!

well done Mr. Kashif Jahangiri

Its not a Aalim online : That program’s new name Jahil Online with Jali Dr.

AWW It is easy to point out the weaknesses of others, by using derogatory terms.
People tend to demean others, by sitting on a high pedestal. Yet, it is Allah and Allah alone who has the power to look into our hearts to determine who is a Believer and who is not.

Next time someone points his finger at another, let him take a long look at his hand and see how many fingers are pointing in his direction.

This is a CLARIFICATION FOR MR, ADNAN SIDDIQI.

Mr. Adnan, In Jama’at Ahmadiyya punjabi’s does not hold the majority any more. Off course they should be in majority ’cause Ahmadiyyat started from Punjab. So it make sense that majority of the followers were from punjab. IN 1990’s when MTA ( Muslim Television Ahmadiyya) started its broadcast 24/7/365 days a year in many different languages, Millions of people from African world joined Ahmadiyyat the real Islam.
Now Mr. Adnan does not read the newspaper or explore the internet, or may be he is like a pigeon who closes its eyes when sees cat. Mr. Adnan get over it and come and join THE REAL ISLAM,”AHMADIYYAT”. I would like to thanks these so called MULAS, “THE HIJACKERS OF ISLAM”, because of them many and many people coming to know AHMADIYYAT and these SHAHADAT’s will bring more fruit to AHMADIYYAT.
NOW few years back BBC did research about the Death of JESUS and produced a documentary “DID JESUS DIE”.

i have attached the link for you guys to see and get knowledge from it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DXCZFRsyl8

Mr. ADNAN, these MULAS have brain washed people like you who don’t have a clue about islam.

In the end i pray for you specially mr. ADNAN that GOD open your heart and eyes to explore your self.

MAY ALLAH TAKE CARE OF PAKISTAN.

molvis are corrupting the minds of the bulk of illiterate pakistanis which results in intolerance against nonmuslims even minority sects of islam .local and international media has uncovered the true face of the molvis spreading hatred against hindus ,christians ,agakhanis ,ahmedis etc.
American governement for its capitalist objective in muslim world capitalize on this extremist approach of a handful muslims and enters in muslim world for its vicous targets in the name of alleviating religios extremism and extremist muslims as they are shown as a danger to civilized world .
Every body has a right to live his life on his/her way given he doesnt interfere in others religious affairs . but what i see in pakistan is that molvis and religious pundits just to ensure their religios shops running deliver futwas, that works the worst .
following the molvis makes nothing but giving america or its local allies in pak to hit the people calling for the rights .
in nutshel we can say molvis ,generals and politician work on the us policies against the common people as to save the stake in the name of religion ,nationalism and so on . we as common people should ponder over it.

I guess everyone has a right to live; whatever their believes are.. here is an article that might help understanding this http://www.pak-times.com/2008/09/14/culture-of-intolerance/

Just for your information the body guard of late Dr. Abdul Manan sahib died in hospital in karachi and another innocent shot and killed in karachi after the death of Doctor sahib. We have received information that Ahmadi Doctor’s are getting death threats in Hyderabad also. May allow help them to stead fast on their belief.May allow help innocent and Uneducated pakistani’s to open their eyes, specially now when Pakistan is getting targeted by outsiders. Ameen, Suma Ameen.

Love for all hearted for none
allah sab mullah ko akkal de aur ahmadiyya jamat ko in ke schar se bachae rakkhe

Kashif Jehangiri, humiliating Mirza Qadyani? how did I humiliate him? His death itself is offensive for his followers? If you have no friggin idea how did he die then better ask any Qadyani about “Rehlat” of their “Prophet”

According to your theory, if I announce I am the god, you will start licking my toe, yeah right!

Shahid ahmad: lol thanks for giving laugh and detailed speech about “true qadyaniat” :D

Awab I was contacted by few people about his program and ACTUAL words he said.

I was told he said the person who claim to be a prophet is WAJIBUL QATAL rather followers. Now if this is true then how can Amir be blamed for killing of those Qadyanis? do you have complete video?

@Adnan Siddiqui,

Does his death entitle to to say Lá’nat Ullah about him knowing that he is regarded holy by a group of people!

When he died, he was surrounded by his own people and not by his enemies. I know that Ahmedis do not believe in the story narrated about his death. Do you have any eye witness who saw how he died?

You are a perfect example of the Hadith by Holy Prophet that a liar is someone who spreads something on the basis of hearsay and without verifying the fact.

I live in the West and am challenged by Christian about reason why the Holy Prophet married an 11 year old girl (Hadhrat Ayesha) and they make fun of this only because they do not recognise him as a holy man. I see no difference in them and you. Both have a gutter mentality. Shame on you. You are a disgrace to humanity, let alone Islam.

Well Mr. Adnan i can pray for your and your love ones to come to the real teaching of islam “Ahmadiyyat”. Every single day hundreds of muslims and non muslims are joining the The real islam “Ahmadiyyat”. So my friend you and people like you have no solid ground that’s why So called Muslim scholars and innocent people like you use gutter language. Islam is the religion of Peace. Islam is the religion of Peace, not a hatred.
We strongly believe in our Motto, “LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE”. we have proved in the past, proving at very moment and will prove in the future that we will not start killing innocent people, though we can do that. But we have manners and can bear people like.

We need to understand the current situation of our motherland, why Pakistan has come to this point and at the global level why Muslim umma come to this disappointing
level of respect.

The Answer is “Fundamentalism”. Mulas has hijacked our religion of PEACE.
So Mr. Adnan have some proof before writing here on this blog.
thanks

Shea people abuse Hazrat Aesha (ra) and 4 khalifaz but this man amir liaqat never questioned the shea aalim sitting beside him that why do they do it. a person says that ahmadis are wajib ul qatal on Geo tv and this so called aalim online didnt say anything that you are telling people to kill other, Geo should be shotped in countries like canada, bcz they tell people to kill others. and i am gona work on it. they forget the quranic Ayat “aik insaan ka qatal puri insaniyat ka qatal hai”. so who is kafir? they are denying quran. quran didnt say “aik musalmaan ka qatal” btu it say “aik insaan ka qatal”. how come aalim online never call those people wajib ul qatal who make cartoons of Mumhammad (pbuh). you know why? because these countries will stop broadcasting GEO in their country and geo will loose money.

Why call liaqat hussein Dr.? His degrees are fake. His whole life is a fake. He is shaitan.
http://www.ummat.com.pk/Kahanian/misc_stories/aamir_liaquat.htm

This one goes for the one who said that God forbid Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (The Promised Messiah and Mahdi) died an accursed death. This claim is so similar to the claim of the Jews at the time of Jesus (the first Messiah) and still today that Jesus (AS) God forbid died an accursed death. Both the claims of Jews and the Muslims of today are wrong but the similarity between the non-Ahmadi Muslims of today and the Jews at the time of Jesus is so amazing and it perfectly explains the hadith of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) that a time will come when the Muslims will resemble exactly like the Jews at the time of Jesus.

Thanks Nuke786 for your written proof of Mr. Jahil online.

Well Mr Bilal,

Do you still believe that time will come? I think time has come.

salam to all its the best way to tell abt the right and wrong.hundred of thounsands pakistanees think like that but OUR SO CALLED ULAMAYE DEEN THEY ALMWAYS GO FROM THAT MEETING WHERE THE TRUTH WILL BE TOLD.there r many more problems which pakistan is facing these days but mr aamir liaqat and hundreds SO CALLED ULAMAYE DEEN r just violating here and there.they dont have anything to do with the people of this country. RASOOL E PAAK (SAWAW)SAID IN ONE OF HIS TRIDITION THAT “USS WAQAT KEY ULAMA ZAMEEN PAR BAD TAREEN MAKHLOOQ HON GEY”.and today we r seeing this marvolous news of these days by RASOOL E PAAK (SAWAW).SO PLS WHO EVER IS KEEN TO UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT SIDE OF PICTURE HE OR SHE SHOULD ASK THE PERSON WHO IS HAVING THAT THING.IF SB IS A THIEF AND WE WILL ASK ANYBODY ELSE THAT U R A THIEF THEN PEOPLE SAY US MAD.IF WE WANT KEEN ABT THE FACTS THEN WE SHOULD ASK THE AHMADEES ON WHT THEY BELIEVE OR WHT THEY DISBELIEVE.OUR TV CHANNELS AND OUR GOVT SHOULD GIVE THEM FREE HAND TO TELL ABT THEIR FAITHS THEN THE TRUE STORY WILL COME IN FRONT OF ALL OF US.in this way we can share alot of thing we r doubtful abtI WILL REQUEST THE WRITERs TO KEEP ON WRITING THE ACTUAL AND TRUE FACTS.MAY ALLAH THE ALMIGHTY FORIVE US IN HIS HOLY MONTH OF RAMAZAN. AMEEN.

Allah Says in Sura Al-Baqarah ” They are deaf, dumb and blind; so they will not return”. The example of these people is exactly same. Once I attended a lecture delivered by a highly eduacted scholar in Multan. He was the Head of Islamic Education Deptt of BZU. During his lecture, he explained a strange picture of Dajjal and according to him Dajjal was a person to be born in the last days with one physical eye. Similarly, most of others still believe same apart from few of them who can understand Shan-e-Mohammad Mustafa SAW and his predictions about last days. In the follow up of such Jahil Mullas, they killed a young guy in Pakistan who was born with one eye. What a great understanding of religion.
Un fortunate thing for these people is they are just Muslims in the books but their deeds dont suggest them to be muslims and this thing is a great evidence of a Hadith Sharif that Islam will be there just as a name. But having said that, a big job has been assigned to you “The Ahmadi Muslims” to bring back these people on the right track. A track that will take them to only one center and that center is Hadhrat Aqdas Muhammad Mustafa SAW. Always pray for these lost sheeps and remember your ambition is..

Shaitaan kee hakoomat mit jayee iss Jahan sey
Hakim Tamam Duniyaa par Mera Mustafa(SAW)Ho

i dont care what is your belief and i dont care what is mine, killing someone just because they dont think what you think is against humanity. why do we cry why west media criticise us. well, they have reasons. I use to respect amir liaqat bcz i thought that he is not fundamentalist like “molvis” but when i saw him crying in screaming like hell durin DUAA on shab e miraj or shab e baraat, i changed my mind. I mean who you are showing you tears Allah or people. He we kept saying during that ijtamaai dua that “ager rona nahi aata to ronay jesa mun bana lain”, what the hell is that mean, are you doing drama in front of allah? and there is no concept of ijtamaai dua in islam, i mean its nothing wrong with it but dont tell people to do this and make that kind of face during dua.
Why dont we keep the religin to our personal life? why do we want others to think like us? a very famous saying is that, “her aik ne apni apni qabar main jana hai” so why we think that some ahmadi’s beleif will harm non ahmadis. allah took the responsibility to take care of islam so why the hell are we killing each others?

some one did actually call him Jahil Online… he mentioned aaam muslim… can any one tell me what is aaam muslim and what is Khas Muslim. that’s the 1st point the second point people we are talking about Pakistan no matter what their beliefs are but yeah they are Pakistanis and they have got the right on every thing others do these stupid media people like this jahil online make these fanatics comes in front of the face and start killing innocent Gunnah hey Islam never asked any Muslim to kill some one like this than who the hell he is to declare Ahmadis Wajib-ul-Katal Pakistan is going down the hill in every possible sense and these stupid people are trying to keep Pakistanis fighting with each other within Pakistan.
Guys grow up no matter what stay together and fight the external powers 1st save your nation and when you hold some identity than start talking about the issues within pakistan.

I for one am totally against killing anyone for anything. Only the state has the right to impose death penalty on anyone, not any individual. So, any such brutal acts should not be linked to the Muslims in general.

As far as Ahmadi beliefs are concerned, I have yet to meet an Ahmadi that can explain what they really believe in. Even in the discussion above, you can see 2 entirely different viewpoints about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad from supposedly Ahmadi followers. One says that according to Quran, there can be more prophets after Muhammad (PBUH), another one says that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was not a prophet, he was a revivalist like Jesus. I have also heard many Ahmadis saying that Jesus can come after Muhammad (PBUH)and that does not violate Muhammad (PBUH) being the last prophet as Jesus initially came before Muhammad (PBUH) and still others saying that Mirza was not Jesus as Mirza used very harsh words for Jesus in his books. Confusion all around.

http://e-iqra.com/v2/pages/booksCat.php?id=1

ok I want to know what a normal muslim belive. What do you think about Jesus? Do you belive he is gone to the sky like christens? How can u think that the same Jesus can come back? Where is he now? I belive he has a normal death and the same person CAN’T COME BACK? YEH TO KHUDA KI KUDRAT KAY KHILAF BAAT HUI!!!!! How can he come back with the teachings of islam??????? Waht do u say about that?

salam MR SAM this link is for u.u have mentioned the site abt which other ulamye deen believe in.just go to this site and check out the real ISLAM.

this is for AIK INSAAN,

MR. INSAAN, Ahmadies strongly believe that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian was Mesiah Maoed and a Nabi without new Shriat. It means that he will follow and preach the teachings of our beloved Last Prophet Hazrat Muhammad PBUM.
Now if we are wrong how come we are growing and flourishing.
Mr. Insaan no one knows these so called Muslim Scholars other than uneducated pakistanis. So its time to acknowledge and join the righteous. Its time to say no to extremism and Fundamentalism.
One should not forget few years back when we had earthquake in pakistan, Just few days before that some so called Mujahideen-e- islam attacked on Ahmadiyya mosque in punjab, killing people and injured many while they were praying.

Assalam-o-Alaikam.

@ AIK INSAN.

Mr. AIK INSAN I want to say something. Please read it. All of the Ahmadis have only one beleive that Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) is khatam-un-Nabiin. He’s the seal of all prophets and the last Sharaiye Nabi. There can be no Sharaiye Nabi after Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) but ummati-Nabi can be. Umaati-Nabi is one who is from the ummat of Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH). No new religion, no new book, no new shariat. Hazrat Massih Maud (Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed) claimed to be ummati-Nabi, Massih-Maud, Mehdi Maud, Immam-Mehdi, second coming of Jesus along with other daawas. He put an end to all the awaitings of people of this world. Everyone is waiting for someone. Jesus will not come again as it’s proved from Quran that he’ll not.

Hazrat Ayesha (RA) said :
Translation:
“Ye to kaho ke Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) haakam-un-nabiin hain lekin ye naa kaho ke un ke baad koi nabi nahin aaye ga”
(Tafseer-ul-Darar-almansoor, Volume 5, Page 204).

The views of different non-Ahmadi ulema on this saying can be found on the given link when clearly tells that Ummati-Nabi can come.

Here is the link : http://www.alislam.org/urdu/la-nabi-baadi/

If you are unsure about the claims of Hazrat Messeih Maud or you have some questions about it then you can visit the link given below. Don’t worry many people take alot of time to understand there daawas and other things about his life but keep on searching. One day ultimately, you’ll get answers to all of your questions and till then remain un-baised. Do not search with thinking about someone. Remain totally un-baised while reading his books and our literature. Here is the link:

http://www.alislam.org/urdu/

And remember, Quran is the book of highest integrity and respect. It can become a source of light for someone but at the same time any person can also be gumrah as this book needs correct interpretation of Aayat. Allah bless the strength of correct interpretation of Aayat of Quran to his loved ones. Similarly as you see today many people are mis-guiding others on the name of Quran.

May Allah show you only right direction.
(Aameen)

@ Bilal

Bilal you’re right. Non-Ahmadis object on Hazrat Messeih Maud’s death as Jews object on Hazrat Eesa’s (Jesus) death. But slowly Allah is giving hadaith to them and people from all around the world are entering into Islam through Jamaat-Ahmadia.

This Aayat of Surat Bakra fits on them:
“Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearings, (i.e. they are closed from accepting Allah’s Guidanca), and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment.”

Zeeshan Qayyum,

Your self-proclaimed *Messiah* Ghulam Kafir Qadiani couldn’t cure himself then how could he cure other people (as Essa (AS) did).

Your membership may be growing, but does that mean you are right? NO I bet playboys membership is increasing too, so does it mean that Playboy is a righteous publication? It may be in your religion, but its definitely not in Islam.

Muhammad (S.A.W.W) said in a Hadith which means that near the end of time, ignorance would increase.

For these qadianis there is mentioned several times in Quran…they can enjoy as much as they want they have limited days in this world, then they would be returned to their lord, who has a tormentful punishment for them and they will dwell the bottom pit of hell where they will live forever.

Surely Allah does not guide the transgressors.

May Allah curse those who spread mischief in this world, like Ghulam Kafir Qadiani, AMeen.

No wonder these so-called muslims are getting hammered by the kuffar.Liaqat Fake on Line who bought fake degrees will soon see the wrath of almighty, inshallah. I hope the mullahs who are paedophiles and preach murder get done in a bad way. Ghulam Ahmad kee Jay

Zeeshan. If we are going to go to hell then why murder us you aaaresehole. Madar choda.

@ LongLiveAmir. Your response is not able to be commented. As you did not give any references from Quran or Hadees but just used abusive language.

One of the biggest clue of lie is that he fails to prove himself and starts using abusive language. Anyways may Allah guide you to the right path.

And the Hadees you quoted exactly fits people like you. But you people keep on ignoring.

Your nick also reflects you. LongLiveAmir. Aamir is also like you. He reflected in Aalim Online and you reflect here.

Take care.

Allah Hafiz.

@Ghulam Rasool..
have patience. if you start using such language, i see no difference between aamir liaqat and you. just saying Ghulam Ahmad kee Jay does not prove you to be a good person. Try to set good example please.

@ Ghulam Rasool Qadiani. Ghulam Rasool you wrote wrong name. Me Zeeshan is an Ahmadi Muslim alhamdulillah. Re-read the comments and corret the name.

But I advice you to not use any false comments against Non-Ahmadis even if they kill us or even if they curse us.

Remember LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE.

Jehangiri, that particular “GROUP” claims to be “MUSLIMS” and if they claim they are Muslims then they should have IDEA that what are basics of Islam. Mirza Qadyani(Lanatullah Alhye) rejected Jesus, He rejected that Muhammad(SAW) was the last prophet. If Qadyanis are “MUSLIMS” then they should have condemned Mirza at first place but they are partner in crime. If there PROPHET was true then why didn’t he fulfill even a SINGLE Prophecy? does this mean his followers were plain dumb and ignorant?

And do clear one thing in your mind that for me Christians and Jews re more respectable than these Qadyanis. Unlike Other people of Book, Qadyanis are traitors , they represent themselves as MUSLIMS while they promote their own teachings. Atleast Christians/jews/Hindus etc say loudly what they are, more respectable for me than these qadyanis. However I never would say they should be killed. Their own religious belief is enough for them as a punishment till their death, why on earth I pollute my tongue by cursing them yea but they have NO right to use other religion to promote their own teachings.

Qadyaniat is the religion promoted by British empire at the time when they were in Sub continent and they wanted to bring a religion to “REPLY” Islam. That was not last attempt. Recently Americans did same when they brought up their version of Quran named “Al-Furqan”.

For a guy here preaching about HAQANIYAT of Qadyanism, please tell this guy (http://suspectpaki.com) who reverted to Islam by quitting Qadyaniat. :-)

@ Adnan Siddiqi.

Adnan your reply don’t deserve any comments because you put only false blames and nothing else. Blames like Ahmadis are made by British or whatever. I don’t want to comment on it as I don’t want to waste my time explaining you all this.

But one thing I’ll like to defend is that you said ” If there PROPHET was true then why didn’t he fulfill even a SINGLE Prophecy?”

Alas! My dear keep your eyes closed. But basically you don’t know that all of the prophecies of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed (Rehmat-ullah-Alih) fulfilled. Now you’ll ask me for the proof or explanation so I think I should answer your question before you ask. Because I’m not going to read any more comments of you. For details about prophecies just move your mouse over the given links.

http://www.real-islam.org/eclipse/index.html

http://www.real-islam.org/urdu/sadaqat.html

@ Long Live Aamir..

I don’t know where you brought the quotations from. But I can provide you with a very authentic verse of Holy Quran and you can easily assess your deeds to be showing you the committers of that sin.

Allah says in the Qur’an that Shirk is the greatest sin (Inna -al-shirka Zhulm al-azheem Quran 31:14).

Now a Hadith says that He who recited Kalama Tayebba is Muslim.i don’t know what your beliefs are about Jamaat Ahmadiyya but i can assure you that your big fame scholars such as Atta Ullah Shah Bukhari, Atta Ul Mohsin Shah Bukhari, Yousuf Ludhianwi, Manzoor Chinioti, Allah Yaar Arshad etc etc.. have been saying in public addresses that Ahmadis recite Kalama Tayebba but on their lips they say Muhammad and from their hearts they say Ghulam Ahmad(Nauz Billah min zalik wa Laanat Allahe Alal Kazibeen). Now that hopefully you belive that Zaat-e- Bari Talla is the only Zaat which is Aalim Ul ghaib wa al Shahdat. Allah knows every thing what is there inside the hearts of every person. I hope you belive this. If you believe this then i expect you to call your Ulama- Karam as Mushriks and Allah will forgive every thing apart from Shirk.

@Adnan Siddiqui

Before relating us to a British Umpire implanted Jamaat please watch this video in which Dr.Israr Ahmad has accepted that it was only Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani who defeated christian missioneries. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVOMV7vDFck&feature=related

If we were implanted by british umpire, we could never say any thing against christianity. The first thing which we talk about is the death of Jesus which is death of christianity. They have started accepting it now but you guys get offended as your beliefs seem to be exactly same as christian beliefs apart from the difference you call yourself muslim.

Well said Irfan Ahmed. Non-Ahmadis are left with no room except to put false blames on Jamaat Ahmadia. The ulemaas you mentioned say one thing more about the firqaas who don’t say Kalima correctly i.e. they say only La illaha Illah and change the next part. These ulemes say that they don’t have the name of Mohammad (PBUH) on lips but rather in heart. Or they add something but don’t mean it. I don’t want to pin point those firqaas b’coz everyone knows. What a shame on these so called ullemaas.

Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) said that there will be a time when these Mullahs will be the worst creature on Earth. This Hadees was basically for these so-called Ullemaas.

Irfan they people have closed there eyes. They put blame on us that Jamaat Ahmadia is a production of British but they don’t know that we were who strongly opposed Christians beleives and when those Danish people published cartoons of Rasul-Allah (Nauzubillah) it was jamaat Ahmadia who strongly opposed them.

The truth is that whenever they put such blames on Jamaat Ahmadia, it gives me more courage to defend Allah’s Jamaat because Rasool Allah (SAW) and his sahaaba also defended Islam and ultimately Islam spread in this world. Now it’s our duty to defend Allah made Jamaat Ahmadia. For this we’ll definitely have to suffer alot. We’ll have to give our lives in the path of Islam as Ahmadi-Muslims are giving today. We have to go to jail in the punishment of saying or writing Kalima Tayyaba or saying Namaz or Azan.

We’ll have to do all this because it’s our test. The path of truth is never easy. But whoever seeks light and keep moving in right direction ultimately succeeds by the grace of Allah.

Just take a look at the ‘beautiful’ language and ideas of this “Messanger” of Allah being explained in his books:

“Crying in remembrance of Allah is just like ejaculation”(Braheen Ahmadiyya Vol.5 196)

“Going to Qadian has more reward than going for nafl Haj” (A’ina Kamalat Islam 352)

His views about Jesus: “The family of Jesus was perfectly holy and immaculate. Jesus’ three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood the body of Jesus came into existence. May be it was a condition for divinity. His inclination for prostitutes and interaction with them might also be due to this ancestral relationship.” (Anjam-e-Atham 291)

His views about “non-believers”: “All Muslims who do not love Hazrat Sb writings are offsprings of prostitutes” (A’ina Kamalat Islam 547-548)

“Thank God the married woman is sent to arms of Hazrat Sb who refused to marry him” (Tadhkirah 249)

You can see more ‘jewels in the crown’ of Mr. Ghulam Ahmad at http://www.ahmadibeliefs.com

It is interesting to read this conversation and i can see the source of the extremist muslims lies in pakistan.

I am tempted to use the same language about muhammad as has been used for mirza. Given that I am not a muslim, i dont think any of you has the right to get offended as muhammad denied Lord Jesus as son of God which i feel is very offensive to my religion. LONG LIVE JESUS

@ So called Muslim

Laanat Allahe Alal Kazibeen.
Where did you read vol 5 of Braheen -e-Ahmadiyya? It might be written by some of your Mullas. This book has 4 volumes and can be found online at http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-1-1.pdf but i still doubt, it will open your eyes. now we come to second reference given by you from Aina kamalate Islam. the book can be found at http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-5-13.pdf
please read oage 352 and i would expect you to say Laanat allahe alal kazibeen.
(Anjam-e-Atham 291) can be found at http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-11-33.pdf and i would again expect you to say Laanat allahe alal kazibeen. may Allah open your eyes and let you throw away mullah’s glasses from your eyes(aameen)

Christopher (or Ahmedi in disguise)

As if you guys haven’t done this in the past or you don’t do it on regular basis. Get the hell out of here and go join your bro Daniel Pipes.

hello mr christofer wiether this is wrong or right in our religion to abuse others.but being an AHMADI MUSLIM i m sure that ur teachings abt HAZRAT JESUS(AS) r not right.ur HOLY BOOK is full of contradictions.pls dont thoink that we r disbelievers of HAZRAT JESUS(AS)

we believe that HE was a PROPHET of ALLAH the ALMIGHTY.and HE was just a human being like us.if u r interested in getting more information then i can send u.
and u can visit this site alislam.org for further info.
MAY ALLAH THE ALMIGHTY BLESS ALL OF US.AMEEN.

Ladz, i will take a strong exception if i hear anything against Lord Jesus or against my religion; do not think i have nothing to say, i have a lot of beans to spill if it came to that! trust me, i can thoroughly expose the righteousness of your “prophet”…… wanna try that!!!

@ Muslim
Dear I dont know where did you find Vol 5 of Braheen e Ahmadiyya as it has just 4 volumes. You can find them at http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-1-1.pdf

now A’ina Kamalat Islam 352, the book can be found at http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-5-13.pdf please read page 352 and i expect you to say Laanat Allahe alal kazibeen.

Anjame Aatham can be found at http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-11-33.pdf
please read page 291 and i would again expect you to say Laanat Allahe alal kazibeen.

If you have problem in opening these pages due to speed, i can post them to you. For God’s sake throw away the Mullas glasses to read the facts. Dont just quote what mulla published some where. This Mulla will not request God to pardon you. We all have to be answerable for our deeds. If you dont want to read these pages or if you read these pages, i would expect you to show some decency and not to quote such references again. May Allah Bless all the Muslims.

@Jesus
Ahmadis dont need to come in disguise. We come openely as truth never comes in disguise.

@Christopher
You can argue if you have the original version of Bible with you which states Jesus as son of God. Whatever is the conflict between Ahmadis and other Muslims, we all believe Jesus as a human and prophet of God and nothing more than that. this is not offending to your religion but your beliefs are offensive to the teachings of Prophet Jesus as He never claimed him to be the son of God. If you have any more queries please visit http://www.alislam.org/library/books/christianity_facts_to_fiction/index.html

Please spill the beans on Jews first who did not even believe Jesus as a Prophet.

This fake Alim should be tried in a court of law if there is any law in Pakistan.
Pakistan is going to get doomed thanks to people like Amir who spread hate and fear in the name of region.
Pakistan is on the verge of disaster and whole world knows it.
These pakistani Mullahs like Amir should be treated the same way as Kaml Ata Turk did to Mullahs of Turkey.
Look at todays Turkey.
Wake up Pakistanis before it is too late.
Shame on you.

today i was listening to jahil online. this so called dr. amir was crying that somebody has made a video game in which americans kill muslims, and he was saying that we can make such game too but we dont want “Qatal e aam”. isnt that funny? few days ago in his own program a so called aalim said that ahmadis are Wajib ul qatal. ist it qatal e aam????? why the hell are you crying now? what a two faced person. one more thing. Honestly, every single person knows that Zardai was a rapist and corrupt, and he was saying “hamain zardari sahab ko aik moka dena chahiye.” GEO tv is ANTI PAKISTAN. this is for sure. please check the link to see how Kamran khan exposed Zardaris corruption and now he is not saying a single word. Geo is bunch of selfish people. everybody know altaf hussain is a killer and they call him altaf bhaee all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF8MXBD-sfk

Bilal on your last comment. comming to that Me. Amir people who cant do any thing dont have any other choice to be an Alim like that and misguide innocent people around them and make some money out of them this is what they are here for, same is the case with the Jahil online these kind of so called media people make some thing up to create some interest in people around them but they forget this fact that even though they are making so many audience but in fact misguiding them so in Short to hell with JaHil online.
coming to zardari there is a Ayaat “jesey tumarey amaaal hoon gey wesa hi tumhara hukamraan ho ga” or may be wrong in little bit of translation of the original one but says the same, so you see when we have this crap already heading Pakistan what we can do for Paksiatn is only DUA and making our Amaal to some better extent so that we can have a better leader in future… and JAHIL ONLINE… for provoking people to murder makes yu a murderer as well.

@ hammad shah as you call yourself ahmadi

I mentioned that link for people like u…but i know you won’t visit it because The structure of your faith is not built on the strong base…

for chirstopher
listen man! if some muslim disrespect Jesus (phuh) then he or she isnt a muslim, its the part of our faith that we have to accept jesus a holy prophet of God. try to understand.

@ Zeeshan Qayyum, Get a life Mister. Deep down you know so well that you are wrong. Why are you defending yourself anyway? We all know what kind of stuff your prophet has been making up..and then contradicting it himself, was he confused or what?! and you better start reading about the true Islam and convert to it for your own good. May Allah give you Hidayat and show you the right path (Aameen). Just imagine mirza Qadiani saying that ‘going to qadian is more rewarding than going for Haj’..tch tch.

Christopher….. disrespecting your religion comon man … we Muslims are not allowed to disrespect any thing at all. so you better start respecting things around you as well. ad yeah but we all do need to listen to your faith and concepts for your religion and listen to others as well.

http://www.khatmenubuwwat.org/Qadiyaniat%20kya%20hay.htm

http://www.khatm-e-nubuwwat.org/bookpdf/zip/saboot.zip

http://www.khatmenubuwwat.org/arz%20meri%20faisla%20apka.htm

http://www.khatmenubuwwat.org/Munir%20Shah%20Interview%20For%20Newspaper.htm

http://shaheedeislam.com/khatme-nubuwwat/books/books/gift.pdf

Check these links and try to read ‘em with open heart

Hammad specially and Others generally

to:- Shahid Kamal Ahmad

i have seen that you havnt written much after pasing a long long letter .. but to tell u a fact Mr. you said ex ahmadi. to there is not much to discuss with you anyways but do get yur story straight you dont know the basic concept of ahmadi jam’at.. try to get under the skin and you will know the real meaning . but no use no ones gonna acept you any ways.. :)

I would request all my fella Muslims who shout on somebody calling something against our Holy Prophet (PBUH). They should first of all see what the prophet believed and practised. It was his compassion, his kindness and his love, his blessing to everybody no matter a believr, non believer, Christian, Jew, pagan or anybody and that is what made most of the people in Arabia and elsewhere to come to the fold of Islam.

Here in the subcontnent again, it were not the nullahs of yesteryears nor the kings who convinced the non believers to convert to the final message of Islam.

Now if somebody has a different opinion, let this be decided by Allah and not by these so called jan-nisaaran-e-Islam.

I firmly believe if all those Muslim brothers who get excited, enraged and emotional, should just follow the path set upon by the Holy Prophet (PBUH) himself, may be they will understand how the love, compassion and kindness moves the heart of people, whether Ahmadis, Christians, Hindus or any other sect or faith.

QUOTE-Dear I dont know where did you find Vol 5 of Braheen e Ahmadiyya as it has just 4 volumes.-UNQUOTE

Dear Brother, unfortunately you are not literate enough to offer you writings of Mirza Sb. To straighten the facts let me tell you that Braheen e Ahmadiyya has 50 volumes because Mirza Sb promised Muslims to write 50 volumes of a book which will prove that Islam is the true religion and people will become Muslims by leaps and bounds. Then Mirza Sb wrote 5 volumes and said my promise is fulfilled because there is only a difference of a dot between 5 & 50. Do you find it ridiculous – yes it is. But it is written in Vol 5 which you think does not exist. The beautiful language where love with Allah is compared with entering sperms into internal genitals of a women is also present in Vol 5; you just need to open your eyes. Just go to the link:
http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/
It is item# 79:
Roohani Khazain Volume 21 – INDEX 21
79. Braheen Ahmadiyya – Vol. 5

I hope it will open your eyes and you will be able to appreciate filthy language of Mirza Sb.

QUOTE – I swear by God that whatever you have quoted there as “writings” of Promised Messiah are nothing but either things translated into English totally wrongly to give a wrong impression or are total fabrications, or are things taken out of context. – UNQUOTE

Please go to the link, open the book. Read it in complete and full context, it will be very clear that Mirza Sb is explaining that Allah has made two loves. Love of God and love of sex. When you will to paradise these loves will be of such a nature that will become so similar if you have sex with your wife, you won’t be sure if you had sex or you loved God. Whereas, people like Mirza Sb who are very pious get this status even in this world and they cannot differentiate if they had sex or said the prayer.
Then Mirza Sb has explained in detail that when you enter sperms into the internal genitals of a woman it gives you great delight. Then you he also explains when you remember God you start crying and your tears jump out of the eyes (a few feet may be) just like sperms jump out during ejaculation.

PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES and ready everything with your own eyes. Note the link again:
ITEM 79 on http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/

for SAMZ,

Instead off referring to these Mulas web sites you don’t find some thing from QURAN SHARIF or HADITH. Come one grow up and make up your own mind.

The way Mulah work, Some mulah writes a book and mentions wrong page # or a reference that does not exist anywhere in the Jama’at Book and than another Molvi quotes first molvi’s book and mention in his book.

So Muslims its time to wake up and start reading the Holy Quran and Hadith, instead of asking Molvi’s.

thanks

shahid ahmad balouch,

I agree with you, the Mullahs of subcontinent were sleeping when Ghulam Kafir Qadiani started, otherwise this will not be an issue in present time.

True that Muslims don’t read and understand Quran and Hadith and thats the reason this cult is growing. If Muslims had read and understood Quran and Hadith they would have become like Sahaba like Abu-Bakar, Umar and Uthman and Ali.

The fake Messiah, (self-proclaimed Jesus) was not a bit closer to Jesus. Jesus cured people and this IMPOSTER could not even take care of himself. DO PEOPLE NEED ANY MORE EVIDENCE???

May Allah guide these Ahmedis and if they don’t deserve guidance then may Allah take them away just like he took Ghulam Kafir Qadiani away. AMEEEN.

Ghulam Kafir Qadiani died of diarrhea and Cholera.

There is a viral attack afflicting our inboxes these days fueled by anger, piety and resentment.

The object of people’s rage is a program on Geo , in which the anchor Amir Liaquat Hussain , allegedly called for the ‘lynching’ of all Ahmedis. As a TeamGeo member I was horrified that our channel , which has its motto the phrase , ‘Geo aur Jeeney Do’, could have stooped to such lows. Especailly since we are always accused by the conservatives in society against our many programs and projects like Zara Sochieye, Khuda Kay Liye and Ghamidi. I was also very disturbed to read the Asian Human Rights report on the subject and felt the collective guilt of having caused the deaths of 2 Ahmedis.

I am not a great fan of Amir Liaquat, and not many liberals or elite are. However, I must admit that his popular , show Alim on Line , did for the first time , bring together Alim’s from the Sectarian divide on to the same platform and their discussions helped greatly in bridging the viewpoints of these two great sects of Islam. This show has a vast appeal and has helped a large member of youth, women and men to resolve their confusions about the teachings of Islam.

That said , I was still very perturbed with what occurred on 7th September on Geo. I decided to try and get to the truth of the matter. I asked for a copy of the program and saw it myself. I realized how mob fury can be inflamed by sheer hearsay and exaggeration as well as through personal bias of people against Dr Aamir.

Nowhere in the program did Dr Amir or the three guests call for the death of Ahmedis. The discussion initially was based on history and how the Prophet (PBUH) and the Sahaba dealt with the emergence of ‘False Prophets’. It kept emphasizing that all Muslims must believe that Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was the seal of the Prophets and was the last messenger of God. The first guest gave us a background of the Ahmediya controversy and how the Bhutto government declared them outside the pale of Islam in the 70’s.

He also took us through the constitutional implications of that parliamentary excommunication. The scholar did not at any point call for any lynching of the Ahmedi’s.

Amir then turned to his two studio guests’ including a Shia and Sunni Alim. Both of them stated categorically that they believed that False Prophets are punishable by death and gave much references to religious text and tradition. They also heaped scorn on the founder of the movement, which I personally felt was in bad taste, but refrained from any exhortation to kill Ahmedi’s.

I decided to transcribe that portion of program which I am attaching to this mail. I think this should clear some of the air.

I am also privy of the fact that the management of Geo held a series of meetings and took the matter very seriously. They made sure that the program was not repeated nor telecast outside Pakistan. Amir Liaquat followed up with his own regret in subsequent programs and the President of Geo went on the BBC and offered his apologies to those whose sentiments were hurt by the broadcast. Geo, however, does not feel that a causal link can be established between the program and the tragic killings because there was absolutely no exhortation to do so by Amir and the three scholars. I also feel that the Asian Human Rights report was based entirely on hearsay and not on facts. They need to correct their position after either viewing the program or going through the transcript.

The Ahmedi issue is a very sensitive one and it cannot be discussed or debated openly because it opens up too many wounds. When we cannot have a balanced discussion on a topic, it is better to leave it alone . Otherwise, we will err and subvert our philosophy of Geo Aur Jeeney Do. I trust that our management will also ensure that if at all this matter is discussed in a tv programme, the point of view of the Ahmedi’s must be incorporated.

All of which should not let us ignore the references from the Ahmedi website alislam.org given by Mr. Newobserver a few comments above regarding the existance of Braheen Ahmadiyya – Vol. 5, which our friend Mr. Irfan Ahmed so conveniently chose to ignore. Typical behaviour of Ahmedis, I would say……

Guys, i have a serious question for you people; will you let an old man of forty odd years to marry your 10yr old sister or daughter – and if someone does that, what would you call him? this is a seious question and no offence is intended! pls answer for yourself and without considering the historical facts…. what would you call the old man who wants to marry your 10 yr old sister or daughter?

@newobserver,

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Kindly give me the page number from the book where allegedly Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi has written exactly what you are translating as his words.

@Rehan Ibramim

First of all I am glad that you have used a much more respectful tone than most of the non-Ahmadi posters in this thread.

Secondly, I am not representing the Ahmadiyya Community to respond to your email, everything I would say will be my personal view and shouldn’t be taken as an official verdict of the Community regarding the issue.

Now, I have seen the recording of the program and it makes my heart boil to listen to the absolutely filthy language against the Ahmadiyya Community and the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Commmunity whome we consider to be the awaited Imam Mahdi and the Messiah. Moreover the way Mullahs in the program told lies openly regarding the beliefs of the Ahmadiyya Community and the writings of the Promised Messiah just makes me sick. These Mullahs only make my faith even firmer and stronger than ever before and give me the opportunity to thank my Allah Almighty who kept us away from the evil of the Mullah of today. For a righteous and unbiased non-Ahmadi Muslim this program should be a proof enough that Ahmadiyyat is the true Islam. Why would the enemies of Ahmadiyyat tell lies to show their “truth”. They would only do it to misguide those who want guidance.

Now you are a Pakistani and would know it pretty well how emotional this nation of Pakistanis is. Being emotional is not a bad thing but when you emotionally blackmail a nation that is largely illiterate and can easily be provoked religiously, and that too by telling lies and deception, then you are equally responsible for whatever happens next.

The program used the term “Wajibul Qatl (liable to death)” many a time in the program and not once they cleared in the program what exactly they were saying. Moreover they continued to use the term “Fitna” addressing Ahmadiyya Muslim community again and again in the program.

Now you said in your post that our Moto is “Geo aur Jeeno do” ie. Live and let live. If Geo management has got any decency left in them and if they truly are ashamed of the program, then they should allow Ahmadi Scholars to come in the same program and give their side of the story. They should be given equal amount of time to clear up all the misconceptions spread by the program host and the panel.

Now you say that Amir Liaqat has himself followed up with his own regret in subsequent programs, I don’t agree with you. I will give you the editorial that he wrote in Jang News paper (a branch of Geo Network) where he again re-iterated the fact that he had no remorse of his actions, but on the contrary he continued with his non-sense in the article:

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/sep2008-daily/12-09-2008/col5.htm

This article is written AFTER the telecast of the program and AFTER the involvement of international organisations in the matter.

You also claimed that Aalim online was influential in bridging the gaps between Sunnis and Shias because of the representation of both sects under one roof. You acknowledge that DISCUSSION has lead to decrease the misconceptions between the communities. But later in the same post you say that Ahmadiyya issue is a sensitive issue so it shouldn’t be DISCUSSED. My friend it is discussion and reasoning debate that helps bringing comminities together and not by brushing the issue under the carpet. Geo has telecast a horrific program against the Ahmadiyya Community by telling lies and and encouraging deception. As a result two peaceful Ahmadi Muslim leaders have lost their lives within a time period of 48 hours after broadcast of the program. This issue is not a small one which will be forgotten just by a small interview by the Geo representative in BBC urdu radio. Even in the interview the representative used the word “Qadiani” when addressing Ahmadis knowing that this is not what we call ourselves but this is a name given to us by our Enemies.

If Geo is truly ashamed of its actions, then they should take proper steps to show their regret. By allowing Amir Liaqat to continue with his program, they do not help the issue to resolve. Aamir Liaqat should apologise in the program that what he did was inhumane let alone unIslamic and he would give Ahmadis the chance to come in the same program and explain their point of view on the issues that were raised in the earlier program.

Wassalam,

Bilal

Dr Israr Ahmed about Qadianis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl3UDQkHPEM

salam to all.
Mr sam u again have given some links to be clearified abt? u know as an ahmadi we r not able to be on tv programmes like in GEO.BUT IF U R RIGHTUS AND KEEN TO LEARN STH ABT AHMADIYYAT THE TRUE ISLAM THEN WE SHOULD DISCUSS THIS ISSUE THOROUGHLY.IT MAT CAN GIVE ME GUIDEANCE OR IT MAY CAN SHOW U THE RIGHT PATH.IF U R AGREE THEN PLS TELL ME.I M WAITING FOR UR ANS.

HELLO TO MR CRISTOPHER.
FIRST OF ALL WE SHOULD SEE THE SITUATION THAT IN WHICH SITUATION THAT INCIDENT ACCURED IN.
SECONDLY ATLEAST WE HAVE THE COSTUME OF MARRIAGE IN WHT AGE IT WILL BE BUT IN UR SIDE U PEOPLE EVEN DONT BOTHER TO MARRY AND THERE R HUNDREDS OF INCIDENTS ABT THE NEWLY BORN BABIES WHO EVEN DONT KNOW ABT THEIR FATHERS.
IF U R KEEN TO KNOW ABT THE REAL ISLAMIC TEACHINGS U SHOULD CONTACT TO UR NEARER ISLAMIC CENTER OR U CAN TELL ME I WILL GIVE U SOME PLACE TO GO.
BUT PLS DONT BEHAVE LIKE THAT.IF U DONT KNOW THE THINS THEN U SHOULD NOT PROPOGATE ABT IT.
THANKS.

Let me quote what Firas said:

Here is some thing that your prophet Ghulam Kafir Qadiani said:

http://www.ahmadibeliefs.com/allah
Immersion in remembrance of Allah is just like a sperm ejaculating into female genitals

Thus immersion in remembrance of Allah which is also called khusoo is similar to that state of sperm when it gets a form of ejaculation and drops into female genitals and there is no doubt it is a time of great ecstasy in physical state. However, just falling of that drop of semen inwards does not necessitate a relationship between womb and that sperm so that it is attracted toward the womb. Thus, similarly, spiritual enthusiasm and state of khushoo does not necessitate that such a person will have connection with the kind Lord and will be attracted to Him. Rather as the sperm gets into vulva of a whore through adultery then the person dropping the sperm gets the same delight as he gets with his wife. Thus the state of khushoo and enthusiasm of idol worshipers and creation worshipers is similar to that of adulterers. That is, khushoo of pagans and of the people who remember God for worldly reasons is similar to that sperm which goes into internal genitals of prostitute women and creates delight . (Braheen Ahmadiyya Vol.5 192)

It already gives you the page, i.e., 192. You are welcome to read it a few pages back and a few pages forward to determine the exact context and enlighten us all if you Ahmadi believe love of Allah similar to entering sperms into internal genital of your wife and actually get confused if you said prayer or had sex with your wife.

In any case ahmadibeliefs.com gives exact page references as well as actual scans from the mentioned books.

@irfan ahmed

@irfan ahmed

Haj in Qadian

People go for usual and nafl hajj, but here (in Qadian) there is more reward than nafl haj.

A’ina Kamalat Islam 352

What exactly did you find wrong in the quote? If you have eyes to read – it says exactly the same “is jagah nafli hajj sey sawab ziada hey”.

Hammad Shah,

ALhamduLILLAH i am not confused about what my beliefs are, nor i am keen to learn about fake Qadiyani beliefs, but if you really want to discuss to find a right path i am ready to talk to u

i just say Amir Liaqat is “So Called Alaam ”
Program ka name rakhany say koi allam nahi banta

@Christopher: You can read this explanation why many Muslims don’t believe Ayesha (A.S.) was not 9 or 10 at the time of her marriage.

http://www.understanding-islam.com/ri/mi-004.htm

non muslims criticise about marriage age and 4 marriages in islam. Dear people, first if you want to criticise some religion then you have to study it first. in the dark ages when islam brought its light there were so many traditions like getting married with 4 years old etc, then islam put the restriction that the age has to be minimum this (in worst circumstnaces). remember islam restricted but didnt ask you to do same. same with number of marriages. Arabs used to marry 100s if times but Allah restricted them up to 4. but it doesnt mean you should marry 4 times just to change the taste :). in those day (even now in many countries) women needed shelter, lets say if a girl needs a place to live bcz she has nobody to live with, you are a kind hearted person you call her sister and let her live with you like your sister, eventhough you are living like brother and sister, do you think the people around you will not say the bad things? Islam understands human nature and that is why all the laws of islam are adoptable. if some people take wrong advantage of religion that doesnt mean that islam is wrong. like sucide bombing, media has made it the part of islam. only if someone tell them how wrong is to harm and kill yourself in islam.
everyone who is reading this and want to know the real islam and its spirit, is request you guys to watch the movie “THE MESSEGE”. All muslims and non muslims! if you havnt watch this movie then please go and get it.
and about Ahmadiyat and non ahmadiyat, I would say to all ahmadis and non ahmadis to stop fighting man! OK there is difference but 95% faith is same between ahmadis and non ahmadis. Let practice that first then we will talk about the differences. lets pray 5 times, let give charity, lets help you neighbour, lets go for hajj, lets stop lying, lets creat patiance in our lives, lets enjoy and understand the real spirit of Ramadan. when we do these thing then we will talk abou other things. let love eachother man! why do we hate eachother so much just because of difference of faiths? If an ahmadi think that non ahmadis will go to hell then he is wrong and if non ahmadi think that ahmadi will go to hell then he is wrong too, you dont know what is in other’s heart but Allah. Lets leave it to Allah. Islam is creation of Allah and he will takecare of it. It is not possible that whole world will follow one faith. Just recognize and enjoy the satisfaction of loving eachother.
this isnt a lecture, just voice of my heart. i was reading this page and thinking how much hate we have among us.

NA TERA KHUDA KOI AUR HAI NA MERA KHUDA KOI AUR HAI
YE JO RAASTAY HAIN JUDA JUDA YE MOAMLA KOI AUR HAI

hamad shah and friend of friends…..

you completely got my question the wrong way. I specifically asked you to answer for yourself and WITHOUT considering the historical facts – we will come to the history after that and trust me, i think i have read islamic history that most of you here. so i repeat the 2 questions:

1. will you let an old man of forty odd years to marry your 10yr old sister or daughter

2. what would you call the old man who wants to marry your 10 yr old sister or daughter?

pls do NOT get lost in history at this stage. i want to understand how you see this from YOUR eyes as a SOCIAL QUESTION!!!!

guess everyone is in hiding…….!

@irfan

QUOTE- (Anjam-e-Atham 291) can be found at http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-11-33.pdf and i would again expect you to say Laanat allahe alal kazibeen. may Allah open your eyes – UNQUOTE

Yes, may Allah open your eyes, have you read page 291 (it is 291 on the top, page 7 on the bottom and page 293 of ADOBE)

Open your eyes and say laanat on the liar – Ameen.

Jews riding on the asses of Christians and Christians, unable to do anything to the jews as they are too powerful, are trying to ride on the asses of the weak, i.e. the Muslims.

Mr. Christopher, if I answer YES to all your questions, will you be satisfied? Guess you don’t wan’t to hear that as an answer, right? Because, that would end the discussion for you? But I would still say YES, if I believe a person to be a true Messenger of God, I would do anything he tells me to do, because I know him to be right in every respect, being guided by the God Himself. That is called Faith……

May I ask you how The Father, The Son and the The Holy Spirit can all be one and still be different entities?

There is a viral attack afflicting our inboxes these days fueled by anger, piety and resentment.

The object of people’s rage is a program on Geo , in which the anchor Amir Liaquat Hussain , allegedly called for the ‘lynching’ of all Ahmedis. As a TeamGeo member I was horrified that our channel , which has its motto the phrase , ‘Geo aur Jeeney Do’, could have stooped to such lows. Especailly since we are always accused by the conservatives in society against our many programs and projects like Zara Sochieye, Khuda Kay Liye and Ghamidi. I was also very disturbed to read the Asian Human Rights report on the subject and felt the collective guilt of having caused the deaths of 2 Ahmedis.

I am not a great fan of Amir Liaquat, and not many liberals or elite are. However, I must admit that his popular , show Alim on Line , did for the first time , bring together Alim’s from the Sectarian divide on to the same platform and their discussions helped greatly in bridging the viewpoints of these two great sects of Islam. This show has a vast appeal and has helped a large member of youth, women and men to resolve their confusions about the teachings of Islam.

That said , I was still very perturbed with what occurred on 7th September on Geo. I decided to try and get to the truth of the matter. I asked for a copy of the program and saw it myself. I realized how mob fury can be inflamed by sheer hearsay and exaggeration as well as through personal bias of people against Dr Aamir.

Nowhere in the program did Dr Amir or the three guests call for the death of Ahmedis. The discussion initially was based on history and how the Prophet (PBUH) and the Sahaba dealt with the emergence of ‘False Prophets’. It kept emphasizing that all Muslims must believe that Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was the seal of the Prophets and was the last messenger of God. The first guest gave us a background of the Ahmediya controversy and how the Bhutto government declared them outside the pale of Islam in the 70’s.

He also took us through the constitutional implications of that parliamentary excommunication. The scholar did not at any point call for any lynching of the Ahmedi’s.

Amir then turned to his two studio guests’ including a Shia and Sunni Alim. Both of them stated categorically that they believed that False Prophets are punishable by death and gave much references to religious text and tradition. They also heaped scorn on the founder of the movement, which I personally felt was in bad taste, but refrained from any exhortation to kill Ahmedi’s.

I decided to transcribe that portion of program (unfortunately unable to attach it here to the comments). I think this could have cleared some of the air.

I am also privy of the fact that the management of Geo held a series of meetings and took the matter very seriously. They made sure that the program was not repeated nor telecast outside Pakistan. Amir Liaquat followed up with his own regret in subsequent programs and the President of Geo went on the BBC and offered his apologies to those whose sentiments were hurt by the broadcast. Geo, however, does not feel that a causal link can be established between the program and the tragic killings because there was absolutely no exhortation to do so by Amir and the three scholars. I also feel that the Asian Human Rights report was based entirely on hearsay and not on facts. They need to correct their position after either viewing the program or going through the transcript.

The Ahmedi issue is a very sensitive one and it cannot be discussed or debated openly because it opens up too many wounds. When we cannot have a balanced discussion on a topic, it is better to leave it alone . Otherwise, we will err and subvert our philosophy of Geo Aur Jeeney Do. I trust that our management will also ensure that if at all this matter is discussed in a tv programme, the point of view of the Ahmedi’s must be incorporated.

A Mighty Heart,

Don’t need to reply Christopher, he is an Ahmedi posing as a Christian.

Why would a chrisitan take Ahmedis side? because Christians think Ghulam Kafir Qadiani was Jesus!!?

(not so) mighty heart….
you are again getting confused in history. please do NOT consider or assume any FACTS – we will come to history and trust me, you will be short of words at that time; let us only concentrate on the question that i have asked – pls do not assume the person is a messenger or prophet!

Mr. Christ-o-pher: You are so full of yourself that indulging in any form of intellegent discussion with you seems like an impossibility. I believe I have already answered your question….

@newobserver,

First of all the way you address someone we consider to be the true Promised Messiah and Mahdi is only informing us about your version of Islam. I only thank Allah for not making me follow your version of Islam.

I have read the reference from the amazing writings of the Promised Messiah (AS) on the issue of “Khushoo”. I only went three, four pages back and everything became very clear to me. If you had gone through the text with an unbiased attitude, you would have seen nothing but wisdom there. The text is very clear and full of wisdom. The Promised Messiah (AS) is explaining the verses of the Holy Quran from the Chapter “Al-Mominoon”. In the first few verses of the chapter the six stages of spiritual life are mentioned by Allah Almighty, and after a few verses later Allah Almighty mentions the six stages of physical life in the following words:

[23:13/14] Then We placed him as a drop of sperm in a safe depository;
[23:14/15] Then We fashioned the sperm into a clot; then We fashioned the clot into a shapeless lump; then We fashioned bones out of this shapeless lump; Then We clothed the bones with flesh; Then We developed it into another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators.

The Promised Messiah (AS) explains that according to these verses of Holy Quran, the first stage of spiritual life is “Khashiat of Allah” and similarly according to these verses of the Holy Quran, the first stage of physical life is when the drop of a sperm enters the ’safe depositary’. The rest of the passage is self explanatory and any unbiased, righteous and unprejudiced soul will have no option but to acknowledge the beauty of the explanation of these verses by Muhammad’s Messiah (AS).

So I would now advise you stop spreading lies and start looking into the truth of Ahmadiyyat with pure heart. It will only benefit you and no one else. I can only advise you the rest is certainly up to you and you will be responsible for your actions before God. Now come to the topic of discussion and start discussing the real issues that according to the Mullahs in the program ‘take us’ out of the fold of Islam. If you have any Taqwah (righteousness) then discuss the issues with the help of Quran.

Bilal

@Rehan Ibramim

First of all I am glad that you have used a much more respectful tone than most of the non-Ahmadi posters in this thread.

Secondly, I am not representing the Ahmadiyya Community to respond to your email, everything I would say will be my personal view and shouldn’t be taken as an official verdict of the Community regarding the issue.

Now, I have seen the recording of the program and it makes my heart boil to listen to the absolutely filthy language against the Ahmadiyya Community and the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Commmunity whome we consider to be the awaited Imam Mahdi and the Messiah. Moreover the way Mullahs in the program told lies openly regarding the beliefs of the Ahmadiyya Community and the writings of the Promised Messiah just makes me sick. These Mullahs only make my faith even firmer and stronger than ever before and give me the opportunity to thank my Allah Almighty who kept us away from the evil of the Mullah of today. For a righteous and unbiased non-Ahmadi Muslim this program should be a proof enough that Ahmadiyyat is the true Islam. Why would the enemies of Ahmadiyyat tell lies to show their “truth”. They would only do it to misguide those who want guidance.

Now you are a Pakistani and would know it pretty well how emotional this nation of Pakistanis is. Being emotional is not a bad thing but when you emotionally blackmail a nation that is largely illiterate and can easily be provoked religiously, and that too by telling lies and deception, then you are equally responsible for whatever happens next.

The program used the term “Wajibul Qatl (liable to death)” many a time in the program and not once they cleared in the program what exactly they were saying. Moreover they continued to use the term “Fitna” addressing Ahmadiyya Muslim community again and again in the program.

Now you said in your post that our Moto is “Geo aur Jeeno do” ie. Live and let live. If Geo management has got any decency left in them and if they truly are ashamed of the program, then they should allow Ahmadi Scholars to come in the same program and give their side of the story. They should be given equal amount of time to clear up all the misconceptions spread by the program host and the panel.

Now you say that Amir Liaqat has himself followed up with his own regret in subsequent programs, I don’t agree with you. I will give you the editorial that he wrote in Jang News paper (a branch of Geo Network) where he again re-iterated the fact that he had no remorse of his actions, but on the contrary he continued with his non-sense in the article:

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/sep2008-daily/12-09-2008/col5.htm

This article is written AFTER the telecast of the program and AFTER the involvement of international organisations in the matter.

You also claimed that Aalim online was influential in bridging the gaps between Sunnis and Shias because of the representation of both sects under one roof. You acknowledge that DISCUSSION has lead to decrease the misconceptions between the communities. But later in the same post you say that Ahmadiyya issue is a sensitive issue so it shouldn’t be DISCUSSED. My friend it is discussion and reasoning debate that helps bringing comminities together and not by brushing the issue under the carpet. Geo has telecast a horrific program against the Ahmadiyya Community by telling lies and and encouraging deception. As a result two peaceful Ahmadi Muslim leaders have lost their lives within a time period of 48 hours after broadcast of the program. This issue is not a small one which will be forgotten just by a small interview by the Geo representative in BBC urdu radio. Even in the interview the representative used the word “Qadiani” when addressing Ahmadis knowing that this is not what we call ourselves but this is a name given to us by our Enemies.

If Geo is truly ashamed of its actions, then they should take proper steps to show their regret. By allowing Amir Liaqat to continue with his program, they do not help the issue to resolve. Aamir Liaqat should apologise in the program that what he did was inhumane let alone unIslamic and he would give Ahmadis the chance to come in the same program and explain their point of view on the issues that were raised in the earlier program.

Wassalam,

Bilal

Aaaahhhhhh, if only you could see beyond what your ‘Murabbis’ have been telling you………

all jackasses here, shying away from the shinning daylight….

Enough lies from Ahmadis. Time for the truth.

Extracts from Kalimat-ul-Fasal by Hadhrat Sahibzada Mirza Bashir Ahmad.

“In this chapter some Quranic verses will be mentioned which show that Allah has made it obligatory to declare faith in all messengers and has called as kafir those who do not consider it necessary to believe in all prophets.”

“This objection shows the lack of knowledge of the objector. We find that the Promised Messiah has permitted us to have only that relationship with non-Ahmadis which the Holy Prophet Muhammad permitted with Christians.” (p. 169)

“The fool does not realise that ‘Muhammad is the messenger of Allah’ was put in the Kalima because he is the crowning head of the prophets and the Khatam-un-nabiyyin. By mentioning his name all other prophets are implicitly included. There is no need to mention the name of everyone separately. Admittedly, the coming of the Promised Messiah has created one difference, and that is that before his coming the significance of the words ‘Muhammad is the messenger of Allah’ included (besides the Holy Prophet) only the prophets before the Holy Prophet Muhammad, but after the coming of the Promised Messiah one more prophet was added to the significance of these words. … In other words, the same Kalima is still to be used for admission into Islam, the difference merely being that the coming of the Promised Messiah has added one more messenger to the significance of the words ‘Muhammad is the messenger of Allah’.”

Below is an article from the book “The Truth About The Split” written by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad, the so called promosed refomer of Islam and s/o the so called prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. (who was apparently the promised Messiah of Islam)

“Regarding the main subject of my article, I wrote
that as we believed the Promised Messiahas to be one
of the Prophets of God, we could not possibly regard
his deniers as Muslims. It is true we did not consider
them to be kafir billah, (deniers of God), but how
could we doubt that, they were kafir-bil-ma’mur
(deniers of a God’s Messenger)? Those who say that
they regarded Mirza Sahib as a righteous person and
so did not deserve to be called kuffar, ought to
consider whether a righteous person ever spoke an
untruth. If Mirza Sahibas, was indeed a righteous
person, what possible objection could there be to their
subscribing to his claim. After this, the article
proceeded to quote passages from the writings of the
Promised Messiahas to show that he regarded his
deniers as kuffar. Some of the passages, quoted in the
article, are reproduced here in brief: To the apostate
Abdul Hakim of Patiala, he wrote: “At any rate, when
the great God has revealed to me that every body
whom my Call has reached and who has failed to
accept my claim, is not a Muslim, and is liable to
account before God, how can I at the instance of one
individual, whose heart is steeped in a thousand
darknesses, ignore the command of God. It is easier to
cut off such a one from my Community. Accordingly
from this date I hereby exclude you from the
Community of my followers.” Following this, I
proceeded to explain the purport of the above passage
in the following words. “The above words apply not
merely to those who take an active part in denouncing
the Promised Messiahas; but every person who fails to
accept him is not a Muslim. Further on, I explained, in
the words of the Promised Messiahas himself, the
meaning he attached to the expression “reaching of
Call.” This was that the Promised Messiahas had made
his Call reach every part of the globe, and hence the
whole world might be said to have received his Call.
It was unnecessary for this purpose that the
information should be carried separately to each
individual. After this, I went on to prove from the
writings of the Promised Messiahas that those who did
not explicitly style the Promised Messiahas as a kafir
but nor did they accept his claim, were to be classed
with those who styled him as a kafir; so also were
those who only waited for fuller information and put
off entering into his Bai‘at. Then in my own words. I
summarised the purport of the quotations as follows:
“Thus, according to these quotations, not only are
those deemed to be kuffar, who openly style the
Promised Messiahas as kafir, and those who although
they do not style him thus, decline still to accept his
claim, but even those who, in their hearts, believe the
Promised Messiahas to be true, and do not even deny
him with their tongues, but hesitate to enter into his
Bai‘at, have here been adjudged to be kuffar.” After
this, some more quotations were given in support of
the main contention, and the weakness implicit in the
overture for friendship was exposed, and the Promised
Messiah’sas fatwa (pronouncement) which forbade
Ahmadis to pray behind non-Ahmadi Imams was
quoted. And lastly, it was argued from a verse of the
Holy Quran that such people as had failed to
recognise the Promised Messiahas as a Rasul even if
they called him a righteous person with their tongues,
were yet veritable kuffar.
Such was my article which was twice read
through by Hadrat Khalifatul Masihra, and corrected in
several places in his own hand, and regarding the
purport of which he remarked that he had no
difference whatsoever. Now, after reading the above
and after perusing those passages which I have
quoted, is it possible for any intelligent person to
imagine that Hadrat Khalifatul Masihra could possibly
take the article to say no more than that those who did
not accept Hadrat Mirza Sahib were only deniers of
Hadrat Mirza Sahib?”

To Mr Christopher…

I usually dont take part in these conversations as they keep on going in loops..but let me just clear this up for Mr Christopher or whoever he is…
The approach of most non muslims is always top down instead of bottom up..Obviously you would have never studied the Quran in detail and all you heard about was marriages of the propher etc.
Let me clear that up first…by saying that we shouldnt go into history is absolutely ridiclous…you tell me the america of the late 1800’s and early 1900’s. what was the role of women then. Can you compare it with today. Look at the Amish people in the US. They still marry young girls.
In Islam the age of marriage starts from when a girl reaches puberty. Now going back to the time of the prophet it was very common to get married to any girl who had reached puberty. In those days the Arabs used to marry many times and even before the girls reached puberty (something which Islam put an end to). Secondly you really have to delve into the prophets life and see the matchless love that existed between companions of the prophet and him.Dying for him was a no brainer. Giving a daughter to him in marriage was the biggest honor ofcourse after she had reached marriagable age. Finally your question on would I give my sister or daughter in marriage to someone of that age, I certainly would have if that was the prevalent custom today. Now, because of the social setup, education and all that comes with it, nobody would ask for someones daughter at that age nor would anyone agree to get married this young. The point here is that God makes those biological changes in women and men (what we call puberty) for a reason. Based on this we can agree that once girls reach puberty they can conceive and hence be married…so dont try to extract an answer for something that has changed socially today….. having said all this now i would tell you what the bottom up design it.
I can give you countless verses as regards the miracles of the Quran. Just to give you a quick example it was always believed that the earth was flat. Google up and find out when the scientist found out about the shape of the earth. Now go back to a book which was revealed 1400 years ago and which clearly states how the earth was round and how it was moving about its own axis..even non muslims agree that the Quran is preserved in its original form something which God himself has promised. This is just a tiny example of the truth. Im amazed that those who reject faith go about misinterpreting verses and trying to hide behind illogical reasoning. First you read the Quran with an open heart…then if by Gods will you are convinced, relate that to the prophets life and you will get rid of all misconceptions…finally jesus has the utmost respect as a prophet in our hearts and it will always be the same..i would be a better person and not point out the inconsistencies in the bible somehting which can shred your belief to pieces…the choice will always be ours..whether to run away from the truth taking shelter in accusations..or going forward and reading to expand our knowledge…..as the Qurans very first revealed verse states..”Read in the name of thy Lord”..
May God guide whichever of us is wrong to the right path.. Amen..

omer….. why are you being stumped upfront and taking shelter behind the history and the customs and the “wonderful” teachings of your religion; why dont you answer the 2 questions i have posed in a straight fashion!!!

we will go and extract the history and i might surprise you with my knowledge of your books including the koran; but first, i need a straight answer to my questions!

AslamoAlikum Everyone@

Let me tell you guys what Ahmadies believes about Islam?

What is Islam by Ahmadies?

Islam, a name given by Allah to this religion (Quran 5:4), is an Arabic word which literally means obedience and peace. ISLAM is derived from the Arabic root “SALEMA”: peace, purity, submission and obedience. So ‘Islam’ would mean the path of those who are obedient to Allah and who establish peace with Him and His creatures. Its follower are called Muslims.

Islam is not a new religion. It is, in essence, the same message and guidance which Allah revealed to all prophets before Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Allah says in the Qur’ân:

“Say, `We believe in ALLAH and that which has been revealed to us, and that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and in that which was given to Moses and Jesus and other Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them and to HIM we submit.” (Qur’ân 3-85)

Khataman-Nabiyyeen Through the Eyes of Hazrat Promised Messiah (as)

According to the Laws of God Almighty stated in the Holy Quran, the door to prophethood in Islam will remain open till the end of this world (7:36). Only Allah has the power to choose prophets (16:3) and prophethood is the highest grace from Him and He bestows it on whomsoever He pleases (62:5). The rule now is:

And whoso obeys Allah and this perfect Messenger shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings, i.e. the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And they are an excellent company. (4 [Al-Nisa]:70)

The Holy Quran is the Perfect Book (2:3) and is the Complete Law (5:4). Therefore, only an ummati Prophet can appear in Islam, who is obedient to Allah and follows the Khataman-Nabiyyeen, the Perfect Messenger of Allah. No new Law (Shariah) is needed but a true prophet is always a mercy from Allah sent to purify people and guide them back to Allah. (79:19-20)

The Promised Messiah and Mahdi Alaihislam
The Promised Messiah and Mahdi of this age was Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908) of Qadian, India, who came at the appointed time from Allah in accordance with the Prophecy of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. He was sent to revive the true Islam as revealed to the Holy Prophet by Allah in the Holy Quran. He was an ummati Prophet. During his life on this earth he wrote more than eighty books which are truly a running commentary of the Holy Quran and show his dedication to the cause of Islam for the love of Allah and the Holy Prophet. Under Allah’s command he established his jamaat as Ahmadiyya Movement In Islam to unite all humanity in love and peace under the banner of his master, Muhammad Mustafa Sallallaho alaihe wasallam, the Khataman-Nabiyyeen.

The Promised Messiah’s Sacred Writings
A person with even very little intellect and some honesty and fear of Allah can easily discover by reading the sacred writings of the Promised Messiah that he was indeed from Allah and his writings contain nothing but the truth about Islam in its purest form. What does he say about the Holy Prophet? A small sample of his writings is presented here for the discerning critic and enlightened readers:

The gist of our faith is: la ilaha illallaho Muhammad-ur-rasoolullah (There is no god but Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.) Our belief, which we hold in this life here on earth and to which we will continue to adhere firmly till the time that we pass on to the next world, is that our spiritual leader and Master, Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, is khataman-nabiyyeen, the seal of the prophets and the best of the messengers. At his hands religion has been consummated which guide man on the right path and further on to God Himself. We hold this belief with absolute certainty that the Holy Quran is the khatamul-kutub, the seal of all divine books, and not an iota can be added to or subtracted from its prescribed teachings, inhibitions, commands and injunctions. There will be no revelation or word from God which may amend or abrogate or change or alter any of the injunctions of the Holy Quran. If anyone subscribes to such views, in our opinion, he ceases to belong to the body of believers and becomes a heretic and an infidel thereby.
(Roohani Khazain, Vol. 3, P. 170: Izala-e-Auham)

We do believe that there is none worthy of worship except God Almighty and Sayyadena Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, is His Messenger and khatamul-anbiya. We believe that Angels, Resurrection, Day of Judgment, Heaven and Hell all are reality.
(Roohani Khazain, Vol. 14, P. 323: Ayyamus-Sulh)

It would not have been possible for me to have attained this grace if I had not followed the footsteps of my lord and master, the pride of all prophets, the best of mankind, Muhammad, the chosen one, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. Whatever I have achieved by following him, and I know from my truly verified experience that no man can reach God to obtain a deeper understanding of His ways without following this Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. Now, let me also make it known that the very first thing you are rewarded with, after having completely submitted yourself to the instructions and teachings of the Holy Prophet Muhammad, is that you are granted new heart which is always rightly inclined. Such heart loses all love for this material world and instead it begins to yearn for an everlasting and unending heavenly pleasure. Having achieved this sublime state, your heart is now ready to receive that perfect and purest love of God. All these blessings are bequeathed to you as a spiritual heritage because of your complete obedience to the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him.
(Roohani Khazain, V. 22, P. 64-65: Haqeeqatul Wahee)

I have been made to understand that of all the Messengers, the one who brought the perfect and purest of teachings full of wisdom, and one who exhibited in him the noblest of human qualities, is the Holy Prophet Muhammad, our lord and master, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him.
(Roohani Khazain, V. 17, P. 345, Arba’een 1.)

From a study of the life of the Holy Prophet, khatamal-anbiya, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, it will become manifest to every reader that the Holy Prophet of Islam possessed exemplary character with purest heart. He was ever ready to sacrifice his life for God, he pinned no hopes on men and entertained no fear of them. He reposed his entire trust in Allah. Having enslaved himself entirely to the will and pleasure of Allah, he did not care what hazards he would face and what suffering he would be subjected to at the hands of the idolators as a result of declaring to the world the message of the Unity of God.
(Roohani Khazain, V. 1, P. 111, Braheene Ahmadiyya)

When we examine with fairness and justice all the prophets of the past, we find that Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, the Holy Prophet of Islam, stands out as the most valiant among them, the one who fully possessed all the qualities of life and was the one most endeared to God.
(Roohani Khazain, V. 12, P. 82, Sirajual-Muneer)

The Holy Prophet, The Living Prophet

For all the children of Adam there is now no Messenger and intercessor other than the Holy Prophet Muhammad, the chosen one, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. So you should endeavor to cultivate true love for this magnificent and majestic Prophet and not place any one else above him in any manner so that you may be counted in Heaven among those who have attained salvation. Remember also that salvation is not something which is attainable only after death. Rather true salvation manifests its light in this world. Who is truly delivered? One who believes that God is Truth and that the Holy Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, is the intercessor between God and mankind; he also believes that under God’s command there is no book of the status of the Holy Quran. And for none else God proclaimed that he should live for ever with his message and his law, but this Noble Prophet lives for ever.
(Roohani Khazain, Vol. 19, P. 13, Kashtee Nuh)

The Promised Messiah’s Poetry: Love and Devotion to the Prophet
The Promised Messiah Alaihislam also wrote many beautiful poems to express his love and devotion to the Holy Prophet of Islam. Here are a few samples:

Thy boundless blessings of peace
Be upon Mustafa, O God;
Verily through him we receive Thy Light.

My soul is eternally bonded
To the soul of Muhammad,
I made my heart drink deep,
Of the brimful cup of his love.

It was because of you that we
Became the best of all the peoples,
O Prophet of God who
Is the best of all the prophets.
As you marched ahead of all the rest,
We too stepped forward.

Let alone the human beings,
Even all the angels in the Heavens
Follow suit and join me,
As I sing thy praise.

(Roohani Khazain, V. 5, Pp 225-226, A’eena-e-Kamalate Islam).

Our Perfect Leader

That leader of ours,
From whom radiates all light,
His name is Muhammad.
He is the one,
Who has captivated my heart.

All prophets are holy,
One better than the other.
From God on high he is,
The crown of all creatures.

Today he is the sovereign,
Of the world of religion,
The crown of all the Messengers.
The healthiest influence;
The purest, the most comely;
The most trustworthy,
The most dependable:
Allah this superlative praise,
Befits him alone.

(Roohani Khazain, V. 20, P. 456, Qadian Ke Ariya Aur Ham)

Al-Qaseeda
The Promised Messiah has written very extensively, about his beliefs and his devotion to God Almighty and his love for the Holy Prophet, primarily in Urdu but also in Arabic and Persian languages to inform all Muslims about his claim and to show them back the way to Allah through true essence of Islam. Al-Qaseeda, a laudatory poem, is composed in flawless and fluent Arabic and is a literary masterpiece in honor of Khataman-Nabiyyeen. This encomium has 70 couplets and is included in the part of Roohani Khazain, Vol. 5, P. 590-594, A’eenae Kamalate Islam. No one has dared to accept a challenge from the Promised Messiah till this day to produce such glowing tribute to the Holy Prophet of Islam in such an eloquent and elegant diction. The Qaseeda provides a unique spiritual experience to a discerning critic with a longing heart and a keen eye.

The Promised Messiah’s face was glowing with joy, it is reported by his companions, when this Qaseeda was completed. Hazoor Aqdas addressing the Holy Prophet, conveys his salutations and love and obedience with such pathos and glowing tributes which has no parallel in human history. This empathy and the complete identification with the Holy Prophet of Islam in cause of Allah was the reason that the Holy Prophet is reported to have said that the Promised Messiah will reflect his second coming and will be buried in his grave. What a tribute! The Promised Messiah says (The number of couplet is given in the parenthesis at the end of the couplet):

O my beloved, you are the ending fountain-head of Allah’s blessings and knowledge and the whole humanity is now looking up to you to quench their spiritual thirst.(1)

Those who seek and discover that the cups of their life are empty come running towards the ocean of your blessings filled by Allah’s Grace.(2)

You are the spiritual sun who has brought light to the four corners of the world.(3)

Your face reflects the glory of Allah and His attributes find expression through your excellent character.(41)

Allah has bestowed upon you all the best and the highest qualities of man and He has perfected the gift of prophethood in your person as Khataman-Nabiyyeen.(46)

I have received the gift of spiritual life through you, O my Master and Perfect Leader, and I am nothing but your humble servant. What a miracle! How well he raised me to life.(62)

O Lord, My Creator, Your everlasting blessings be upon the Holy Prophet in this world and in the hereafter.(63)

Look at me, O My Master, with mercy and grace. I am your most humble servant.(67)

Now, no rational person will fail to recognize the truth about the Promised Messiah and his love for the Holy Prophet, khataman-nabiyyeen. The Promised Messiah appeared at the right time according to the prophecy of the Holy Prophet and completed his mission under Allah’s commands.

Ahmadiyya Beliefs
Every Ahmadi Muslim, by the grace of Allah, believes that Jesus (Hazrat Eesa, alaihissalaam) was a true and noble prophet of Allah and he died a natural death at the end of his term on this earth and is buried in Kashmir, India. How long the mullahs will continue to wait for `Messiah’ to descend from Heaven? Only Heaven knows! He never went up there with his physical body in the first place. Do they ever study and understand the Holy Quran?

It is also our true belief that the prophethood in Islam will continue as this view is supported by the Holy Quran, the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet and reliable Ahadith, and all early true reformers and thinkers in Islam preceding the advent of the Promised Messiah. The appearance of a follower (an ummati) Prophet is contained in the meanings of khataman-nabiyyeen. We believe that the Holy Prophet was so great that his followers can attain the status of prophethood in Islam because no new law is now needed. Our God is a living God and talks to His chosen ones even today.

Conclusion
Those people who falsely accuse Jamaat Ahmadiyya and its Holy Founder, Hazrat Promised Messiah, alaihissalaam, to be disrespectful to Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa, Khatamal-Anbiya, peace and blessings be upon him, do so without any fear of Allah in their hearts. For them it would be sufficient to quote the following verse of the Holy Quran:

Beware of the day of Judgment when We shall call people along with their leaders. Whoever is given the book recorded with his deeds in his right hand will be eager to read it and find that he will be dealt with mercy and justice. But whoever remained spiritually blind in this world shall also be blind in the Hereafter and will be even farther removed from the path leading to Allah. (17:72,73)

Promised Messiah Aversion to publicity:

As for me I was so absorbed in myself (in the remembrance of God) that I was living a life of seclusion; nothing was dear to my heart except He Himself. I did not like to come out of my room and not for a moment I wanted publicity for myself. I was all alone – and isolated – and that was all I liked most. Publicity and a Jamaat around were most averse to me. How much averse were these things to me is better known to God the Almighty. But God compelled me to come out. I did not like it, but He let it be done against my wish; for, He had assigned a duty to me. He chose me for His work and through His grace He honoured me with this great position. It is His own selection; I have no hand in this matter. What I could observe is that I wished to stay far away (as if it is miles and miles away) from publicity and from the people in the form of a Jamaat; I simply cannot understand how do the people hanker after publicity – I was drawn altogether to the other direction whereas God’s will was quite different. I supplicated to God repeatedly that I should be left in seclusion – in my room of aloofness. But I was repeatedly instructed by God to come out and work, for, the religion was in a very precarious condition at that time; I was told to come in the open and straighten the affairs of religion. The prophets are always like that – they are very much averse to publicity – no prophet has ever wished for it. The Holy Prophet (sallallaho alaihi wa sallam) also like to remain in a secluded place that is why he used to go to the cave Hira far away from the people. This cave was full of perils so much so that nobody dared go inside it but that is the place which he chose for himself; he did not like the publicity in the least. However, God commanded him in the words ‘Ya ayyohal Moddassiro qum fa anzir.’

There seems to be a sort of compulsion in this order from God Almighty and reason for this order from God is that the Holy Prophet (sallallaho alaihi wa sallam) did not like to come out of his seclusion. There are some people who out of their ignorance think that I like publicity. I have said it repeatedly that I do not like it, it is God who has brought me out in the open.

Status of people who reject The Messiah and the Mahdi:

‘From the beginning, I have been of the view that no one becomes kafir or dajjal by rejecting my claim. Such a one would certainly be in error and astray from the right path. I do not call him faithless but he who rejects the truth that God Almighty has disclosed to me would be in error and astray from the straight path. I do not designate anyone who believes in the Kalimah as a kafir, unless by rejecting me and calling me a kafir, he himself becomes a kafir. In this matter, my opponents have always taken the lead. They called me kafir and prepared edicts against me. I did not take the lead in preparing edicts against them. They would be prepared to confess that if I am a Muslim in the estimation of God Almighty, then by calling me kafir they themselves become kafirs according to the edict of the Holy Prophet [peace and blessings of Allah be on him]. Thus, I do not call them kafir; they themselves fall within the purview of the edict of the Holy Prophet [peace and blessings of Allah be on him]‘. [Tiryaq-ul-Qulub, Ruhani Khaza'in, Vol. 15, pp. 432-433]

he called ahmadis wajib ul qatal on a national TV.
http://vidpk.com/view_video.php?vid=16093
watch this and find this Bastard Jahil Online. This pig doesnt even know the difference between rasul and nabi.

Bilal Shah Man ..calm down…have patience…God said in Holy Quran that..”i will punish them who was aganist my prophets”.

Again my Qadiani brothers conveniently chose to ignore references given by ‘Muslim’ and ‘Newoberserver’ above. Is that the kind of language ‘prophets’ use, for whatever reason?

@Bilal

QUOTE- So I would now advise you stop spreading lies-UNQUOTE

I find this sentence be quite funny. What exactly did I tell a lie?

Did Mirza Sb say that when you have sex with your wife or love Allah you cannot differentiate? YES or NO

Did Mirza Sb say that tears jump out of your eyes just like sperm jumps out during ejaculation? YES or NO

Did Mirza Sb say that entering sperms into genitals of a women is matter of great delight and is just like loving Allah? YES or NO

Whenever I read the passage from the writings of the Promised Messiah (AS) you referred me to, it just makes me praise my Lord more and more. The philosophy that Promised Messiah (AS) has mentioned in those passages is so great that it makes my faith firmer and stronger than ever before on the truth of Promised Messiah.

When you first brought up this passage here in this thread, you failed to mention (intentionally or unintentionally, only my Allah knows) that the passage you were referring to was actually explaining the verses of HOLY QURAN. For the benefit of those who have pious, righteous, and unbiased hearts, I would try to give a gist of the explanation given by Promised Messiah (AS) in regards to the following verses of the Holy Quran from Chapter “Al-Mominoon”:

[23:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[23:2] Successful indeed are the believers,
[23:3] Who are humble in their Prayers,
[23:4] And who shun all that which is vain,
[23:5] And who are prompt and regular in paying the Zakat,
[23:6] And who guard their chastity –
[23:7] Except from their wives or what their right hands possess, for then they are not to be blamed;
[23:8] But those, who seek anything beyond that are the transgressors –
[23:9] And who are watchful of their trusts and their covenants,
[23:10] And who are strict in the observance of their Prayers.

[23:11] These are the heirs,
[23:12] Who will inherit Paradise. Tey will abide therein for ever.
[23:13] Verily, We created man from an extract of clay;
[23:14] Then We placed him as a drop of sperm in a safe depository;
[23:15] Then We fashioned the sperm into a clot; then We fashioned the clot into a shapeless lump; then We fashioned bones out of this shapeless lump; Then We clothed the bones with flesh; Then We developed it into another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators.

So according to Promised Messiah (AS), Allah Almighty mentions the 6 stages of man’s spiritual development first, and then straight after Allah Almighty mentions the 6 stages of man’s physical development.

Like the most initial stage of physical life “a sperm” is under danger of being wasted as long as the womb (Rahm) doesn’t accept it, the most initial stage of spiritual life “Khushoo” is under danger of being wasted as long as the Merciful (Rahim) God doesn’t accept it. Like the sperm has got all the necessary elements present in it that are needed for a completely developed physical being in the sixth stage, similarly Khushoo (humility, passion, crying in rememberance of God) is the first stage of spiritual existance and contains all the elements necessary for the completely developed and perfect spiritual existance.

Here the connection established by the Promised Messiah of the spiritual life and the physical life is so beautiful that one only praise and thank the Lord for sending us the Promised Messiah in this world at a time when the whole world seems to have gone far away from God Almighty.

The thing which is important to note here is that Promised Messiah (AS) is talking about the attribute of God ie. “Rahim” (magnificence) and not “Rahmaan” (Graciousness). “Rahmaan” attribute of God means that God blesses us with our necesseties without us asking him eg. sun, moon, water, earth, air, our parents, all the things necessary for our survival etc. We never asked God for these blessings but they were already provided to us by our Gracious God before we came to this earth. Rahim attribute of God on the other hand is when God blesses us in return of our own efforts, supplications and prayers before Him.

So Promised Messiah is not talking about the Rahmaan attribute here but the Rahim attribute of God and how God responds to our prayers. What is the correct way of supplicating before God and what is acceptable in the eyes of God. Likewise what is it that God doesn’t like and accept.

So like the sperm is dependent on the attraction of womb towards it for its survival and is under danger for as long as womb doesn’t accept it, the state of Khushoo is dependent upon the attraction of God Almighty towards Him and is under danger for as long as God Almighty doesn’t accept the way supplications are made. This is the reason according to Promised Messiah that so many people go waste spiritually even after their supplications, slogan raisings and loud crying. As they never establish a connection with the Merciful God all their supplications, loud crying and slogan raising go waste. So like sperm without the attraction of womb is nothing, similarly state of Khushoo is nothing without the attraction of Merciful God. Like thousands of sperms go waste for not being accepted by the womb, similarly thousands of beings go waste in this world for not being accepted by God Almighty. Thousands of ignorant souls think that they have become attained spiritual heights because of the supplications (khushoo) for a few days, but they forget that they are nothing more than a wondering sperm in a body.

There can be many reasons for a khushoo to be not acceptable to Merciful God. eg. Khushoo in the state of associating partners with Allah, khushoo containing arrogance in it, khushoo containing innovations, or khushoo that contains filth. With all these spiritual ills the khushoo doesn’t remain worthy of being accepted by Merciful God, like the sperm remains unacceptable by the womb for as long as it has got ills/deseases. So the connection or lack of it with ‘Rahm’ (womb) and ‘Rahim’ (Merciful) is same the difference lies in the nature of physical or spiritual deseases associated with ’sperm’ and the ‘Khushoo’. So if someone receives delight in “Khushoo” doen’t mean that a connection with God has been established too, like even if the sperm enters the body and the person receives the delight as well, it doesn’t necessitate the establishment with the womb. For that other indications are necessary. So the Khushoo that is done for the sake of worldly pleasures is similar to the delight one receives after inserting the sperm into an illicit female’s body. So this is the case with the idol worshippers or those who worship human beings. Their khushoo gives them nothing more than a pleasure for few moments. They do not establish a connection with the Merciful God and God doesn’t accept their Khushoo.

I must thank you for giving me the opportunity to read these pearls of wisdom from the writings of the one who was sent by Allah Almighty as the Messiah of Muhammad (PBUH). I only pray to Allah Almighty that our Khashoo is accepted by the Merciful God. All our prayers, supplications, prostrations, and crying will not give us any benefit if they are not accepted by our Merciful God. May Allah accept our prayers, may He forgive our sins and may He ignore our mistakes. (Ameen Summa Ameen)

Bilal

The above post is addressed to newobserver.

@Bilal

As usual you have ignored my question. My first question is what exactly did I tell a lie? PLEASE ANSWER

Did Mirza Sb say that when you have sex with your wife or love Allah you cannot differentiate? YES or NO – PLEASE ANSWER

Did Mirza Sb say that tears jump out of your eyes just like sperm jumps out during ejaculation? YES or NO – PLEASE ANSWER

Did Mirza Sb say that entering sperms into genitals of a women is matter of great delight and is just like loving Allah? YES or NO – PLEASE ANSWER

@newobserver,

I had genuinely thought that after reading the full passage you would acknowledge the beauty of the passage and praise Allah Almighty, but certainly I was wrong.

I put a great effort in answering your allegation, but your response only disappointed me. Anyway if you want short answer to your questions here it goes:

1. No 2. No 3. No

If your intention is only to redicule then you should redicule God Forbid those verses of Holy Quran as well that declare Jews and Christians of the past as monkeys and pigs. You need to redicule that verse of Holy Quran as well that declares one’s wife as his crop, the age of Noah (AS) as 950 years so on and so forth. To me all these verses make perfect sense and only give me an opportunity to praise my Lord Allah. They need pure heart to understand and receive benefits from these sayings.

Bilal

I would like to take this opportunity to raise another important issue here. The Geo program under discussion contained two ’scholars’ in the studios in addition to the host of the program. One of the ’scholars’ was representing Sunnis and the other one was representing Shias. The Sunni ’scholar’ put an allegation against the Promised Mesiah (AS) in the program that he apparantly said in one of his writings that Quran mentions three cities. 1 Mecca 2. Medina 3. Qadian. He then rediculed and said we all very well know that Qadian is not mentioned in the Holy Quran but Mirza sb. thought so. The Mullah was LYING and HIDING the TRUTH as I will explain to you now.

The translation of the real passage from the book ‘Izalah Auham’ this is what really the Promised Messiah (AS) wrote:

‘In a STATE OF VISION, I saw that my brother, the late Mirza Ghulam Qadir is sitting close to me, reciting the Holy Quran aloud. In the course of recitation, he recited: We have sent it down close to Qadian. I expressed my surprise that the name of Qadian should be mentioned in the Holy Quran, on which he said: Here it is, you can see. I looked and saw that this revelation was set out about the middle of the right page of the Holy Quran. Then I said to myself: It is true that the name of Qadian is mentioned in the Holy Quran and I also said: Three names are mentioned with honour in the Holy Quran: Mecca and Medina and Qadian.’ (Izalah Auham)

As evident from the above passage, this entire episode is stated by Hadhrat Ahmad (AS) to have been observed in a state of vision. The Mullah in the program deliberately deceived others by not hiding the truth and taking thing completely out of context.

All those who are seeking truth, just think about it, why would a so called ’scholar’ tell a lie on the national TV to declare the Promised Messiah (AS) as false? Just think about it with pure heart. What purpose would it fulfill? This should be a proof enough for any righteous soul to acknowledge and accept the truth in Ahmadiyyat.

My friends, this is not a small matter. Ponder over this. We have got a very short life and then one day the reality will strike us and we will return to our God Almighty. It is better to wake up today than to remain in deep sleep until the moment when we are woken up to be taken away from this world.

Wassalam,

Bilal

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@Bilal: show the verse where Qadian is mentioned? there was no city as such named Qadian at all.

@Adnan Siddiqui,

Read my post again. The Promised Messiah (AS) only saw the aname of Qadian in Quran in a state of VISION (Kashf).

Plz visite this website
http://www.alislam.org/

You will finde where is the reall islam.
Allah guide us all to the right path.

[...] Dr. Amir Liaqat Ali was not happy with the murder of two innocent people. He repeated his call for murder in an answer to a caller’s question on a subsequent episode. Dr. Ali is considered to be a prominent Islamic scholar in Pakistan even though in the past he lied about his education and was caught holding various fake degrees. Nonetheless his show is very popular in the country. I can’t understand how people can follow the advice of such an individual. I can’t comprehend how people can believe in such teachings. I wouldn’t follow an order to kill someone in the name of religion even if God himself told me to do so. What a bunch of morons. Who cares whether Mohammad was the last prophet or not. If you believe that then good for you but don’t impose it on others and don’t punish other for believing otherwise. I think just to piss them off everyone should declare themselves to prophets and then Aalim Online can go fuck himself. More here and here. [...]

As usual, the Qadiani friends are shying away from the facts, as evident in the publications of Mr. Mirza Ghulam Qadiani. I once again request these friends to read the publications of their ‘leader’ present on their own websites and decide whether the language used in them can be used by a decent person, let alone a ‘prophet’. If I were a Qadiani Murabbi (God forbid), I would have taken off these books from these websites ASAP, but I guess nothing would be left on these sites in that case………

why are all the muslims shying away from my questions!

notwithstanding the fact that we are not following christianity in its true spirit; at least LORD JESUS did not do anything that would embarrass us to shy away from social questions….

@bilal: that doesn’t seem Kashf. That seems he was high after having marijuana or something.

stop being an Idiot kid. Where Muhammad(saw) or Allah mentioned that you read quran by using so called Kashf when even Allah said to Muhammad(SAW) him to “Read!”[Iqra] rather asking to use Kashf.

No wonder I can see that even in 21st century we are not able to get rid of illiteracy and ignorance among people.

May God bless you and show the right path-Ameen

Below are further gems from the book “The Truth About The Split” written by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad, the so called promosed refomer of Islam and s/o the so called prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. (who was apparently the promised Messiah of Islam)

“Now, as Islam bases its judgments upon what is patent
and not upon what is possible, it
cannot but class as kafir such as fail to accept any of
the Prophets, even though such failure may be due to
their want of information concerning him. In the latter
case, they will not, of course, be the objects of Divine
punishment. The denial would be due to causes
altogether beyond their control. It is in accordance
with the same principle that Muslims have so long
with one accord designated as kuffar all those who
have not accepted the faith of Islam, without taking
into consideration the question whether or not such
failure is occasioned by want of adequate information
concerning the Holy Prophetsa. And the doctor is yet
to be born who will class in the category of Muslims
the Esquimaux of the North Pole, the Red Indians of
America, the Hottentots of Africa or the Maoris of
Australia, or those millions of Christians, who living
in central Europe or in other out of the way places
have not yet heard anything regarding the teachings of
the Holy Prophet sa.”

Further extracts from the book “The Truth About The Split” written by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad, the so called promosed refomer of Islam and s/o the so called prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

“As for the question of Kufr (unbelief) of non-Ahmadi Muslims, my belief is that Kufr really arises from a denial of God. Hence, whenever there comes any revelation from God of such a nature that its acceptance is obligatory on every man, a rejection of the same leads to Kufr. Belief in such a revelation, however, presupposes belief in the bearer of the
revelation. Hence it follows that a belief in the bearer of such revelation is a necessary part of one’s faith.The man who rejects a Prophet thus necessarily
becomes a kafir, not because he denies the truth of any particular Prophet X or Y, but such denial will necessarily lead him to reject a revelation of God.”

“To me, the Kufr which arises from the denial of any Nabi has its basis in this principle and not in any personal quality of the Nabi. And inasmuch as the revelation of which the acceptance is obligatory on mankind comes
only through Prophets, it is the rejection of such recipients of Divine revelation, and not of others that leads to unbelief. Now, as we hold that the revelation which came to the Promised Messiahas are such that their acceptance is obligatory on mankind in general, to us, the man who rejects the Promised Messiahas is a kafir agreeably to the teachings of the Holy Quran, although he may well be a believer in all the other truths of religion because the presence even of one of the necessary conditions of Kufr is sufficient to make a man kafir.”

Can any sane person accept the following to be the revelations of a prophet? What on earth does this vision mean?

‘In a STATE OF VISION, I saw that my brother, the late Mirza Ghulam Qadir is sitting close to me, reciting the Holy Quran aloud. In the course of recitation, he recited: We have sent it down close to Qadian. I expressed my surprise that the name of Qadian should be mentioned in the Holy Quran, on which he said: Here it is, you can see. I looked and saw that this revelation was set out about the middle of the right page of the Holy Quran. Then I said to myself: It is true that the name of Qadian is mentioned in the Holy Quran and I also said: Three names are mentioned with honour in the Holy Quran: Mecca and Medina and Qadian.’ (Izalah Auham)

Saqib,
Fear Allah, and stop trying to mislead Muslims.
Everything related to prophethood written before 1902 has been abrogated.
I am sure, you know that pre 1901-02 Mirza Ghulam Ahmad said that he was not a Prophet and anyone calling themselves a prophet was a non-muslim. Well after the publication of the pamphlet Ayk Ghalati Ka Izala (‘Correction of an error’) published in November 1901 he changed his claim to that of Prophet. So your quote from Tiryaq-ul-Qulub, Ruhani Khaza’in, Vol. 15, pp. 432-433 is an act of duplicity. Not even your so called Khalifa believes that!!

Mr Haris Zuberi,

Please refrain from calling Ghulam Kafir Qadiani by any other name. He was not a Ghulam of Ahmed, he was a ghulam of Kafir.

So from now on, refer to him as Ghulam Kafir Qadiani.

If you want I will take a mubahilla with your Khalifa to prove my points.
One of the boasts that I love hearing from Qadianis is how Khalifa 4th had mubahilla with Zia and Khalifa gee won.
Well even a which doctor would be ashamed of making such ridiculous claims. It was recently revealed that the C130 had a design flaw and in certain conditions would oscillate wildly. Telemetry readings from Zia’s plane showed exactly this happened. So even though Mirza Tahir celebrated at the death of Zia and claimed it was due to a mubahilla it shows what a liar this so called man of God was!!!!!

MIrza Qadyani(Lanatullah) says about Liars:

1)He is Murtad(Apostate)
2)Saying lie means eating $shit(Goo)
3)Even bast ards don’t say lies

and then same Mirza lied several timess in his life, one about his false prophesies and then about biggest lie that QADIAN is mentioned in Quran. So in reality Mirza suits well in his own criteria :-)

I love his lies when he claimed that 40 million people had converted to Ahmadiyyat in one year!!
That in is itself was ridiculous and retarded.
Guess what happened the next year, he claimed 80 million converts.
That put him Ahmadis at the 200 million mark.
Well if you check there website nowadays I think they have regressed to 70 odd million.
Which is still a fantastic lie, but not as bad as the 200 million one.

Another proof of the defeat of Mirza Tahir Ahmad Kahilfa 4th of Ahmadis is that sometime in 1998/99 he suddenly fell ill when on a trip to Norway or some such place.
This perfectly coincided with a mubahila with a person by the name of Illias Suttar.
I can attest to the fact that Mirza Tahir Ahmad was in superb health up till 1999. I have seen so many of his QA sessions on MTA and he was in perfect health.
Ahmadis don’t tell you about the mubahila that he lost do they!!!
And when you confront Ahmadis with this they claim that their leader never accepted the challenge!
What and Zia did?!?!?!?!
Who are you guys trying to fool????
Do you think Zia is going to accept a challenge from a 2 bit which doctor like Mirza Tahir???

Predicting that General Zia was going to meet a violent death is a bit like predicting it’s going to snow in Siberia next year. He had gone after just about everyone in his life. He had gone after Shias, helped to kill thousands of Russians with his support for the Afghans, killed god knows how many politicians. He had refused to roll back Pakistan’s nuclear program that really pissed of the Americans and Israelis to name just a few. There were countless political outfits in Pakistan vying for his blood.
It’s just amazing he lived as long as he did infact!!

You don’t have to be a genius to see that many of the ramblings of their Kahlifa’s are as retarded as those of the Taliban!

ALSO, why are you Qadianis trying to pretend that you don’t believe in the writings of Khalifa II Mirza Mahmood Ahmad.
They use to, and still do in private I am willing to bet, claim thay Mirza Mahmood Ahmad was the PROMISED SON of Mirza Ghuluam Ahmad. (As well as being the promised reformer of Islam, which is sooo offensive to Muslims, I am not sure weather to laugh or cry!!)
So how can you now all distance your selves from the writings of Mirza Mahmood Ahmad and the quotes I have presented from the book The Truth About The Split if your own PROPHET fore told of his coming??

Also why is it an article of faith that Jesus died ion Kashmir? How do we know that he didn’t die in Jalandhar?
Please don’t start giving me scientific proofs that Kashmiris and Pathans are all really actually Jews. I have heard everything from the occurence of thalassemia to Tombs of Jesus and chronicles in the Vedas about a man similar to Jesus in India at about the right time. They are in my opinion bogus beyond any doubt!!!
Where in the Islamic literature does it talk about the lost tribes of Israel???

@Bilal

At your convenience you again ignored my first question. You had put an allegation on me that I told a lie and I asked where – now you are ignoring this question deliberately again and again. Now come to your answers:

QUOTE – Anyway if you want short answer to your questions here it goes:

1. No 2. No 3. No – UNQUOTE

This is a such a clear and vivid example of blatant lies, trademark of mirzais. Now let me give the proof to everyone who is reading this blog how mirzais lie and cheat all the world.

1. Did Mirza Sb say that when you have sex with your wife or love Allah you cannot differentiate? YES or NO

You have replied in “NO” – such a beautiful example of lie. I would request everyone to go to alislam.org and download Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya vol. 5. Type 197 in Adobe, page 197 will open. Start reading from line#2, it says:

Uss Jahan mein jau ek shaks apni biwi sey muhabbat aur ikhtlaat karey gaa woh iss baat mein faraq nahin kar sakey ga keh woh apni bivi sey muhabbat aur ikhtilaat karta hey ya muhabbat-e-Ilahia key darya-e bey payan mein gharq hey aur waslaan-e-Hazrat Izzat per issi jahaan mein yeh kaifiat taari ho jaati hey.

This is translated as below:

” in the afterworld a person who would love and have intercourse with his wife will be unable to differentiate if he made love to his wife or if he was indulged into immense love of God. And those who get in contact with Almighty, experience the same feeling even in this world”

I invite all Ahmadis and Muslims to read this passage and then look at the “NO” of Mr Bilal and say together Laanat Allahe Alal Kazibeen.

I will insha’Allah prove the lie of answer number 2 & 3 in a separate post.

@Newobserver,

So now you are talking about a totally different ‘passage’ and not the one we were discussing earlier? Why would you totally ignore the passage you referred to earlier and then move to a totally new passage? Does that mean you acknowledge your mistake/deception (only Allah knows) in the earlier passage?

Anyway, I am unable to find the ‘new’ passage you are referring to now. Braheen-Ahmadiyya Vol 5 contains the book “Aina-E-Kamalat-e-Islam”. I have checked the pages you referred to in that book, but I couldn’t find anything close to what you are referring to. Can you kindly give me the ‘correct’ reference, so that I can truly see what exactly the Promised Messiah said?

Bilal

@Haris Zuberi,

Who told you that we Ahmadi Muslims consider Jesus’ migration to Kashmir as an ARTICLE OF FAITH? We believe that all the true prophets of God were nothing more than human beings and Jesus (AS) was just one of such true prophets of God. According to Quran all prophets have passed away including Jesus (AS). We then infer from the teachings of Quran, hadith, earlier scriptures, and historical material available that the most probable route Jesus (AS) took after his survival from the cross was Eastwards. Now you have yourself mentioned some of the reasons why we consider Kashmir as his last abode on this earth.

We however unlike non-Ahmadi Muslims totally reject the notion that Jesus (AS) flied to heavens bodily/physically and someone else in his place was put on the cross who was given the resemblence of Jesus (AS). To us this sort of theory only looks good in fairytale stories or Hollywood movies. It has nothing to do with reality.

Bilal

lads, you are so poor in answering my two questions; i now have another one for you, lets see if you can answer this one!

is it permitted in your religion to have sex with a woman who has become a prisoner of war?

only say YES or NO pls – no rubbish

@ Bilal: So I guess the concept of ‘Wahi’, Prophet Muhammad’s (PBUH) ‘Miraaj’ and the Rising of the Dead on the day of Judgment, for instance, may also seem like fairy tales to you? Right?

@Mightyheart,

I don’t think I was responding to your post. But anyway, you have mentioned three important issues here.

1. Wahi: To us “Wahi” is the communication of man with Allah. This is mentioned in Quran and Ahmadi Muslims are the only sect in Islam that believes in Wahi even today. As God of yesterday spoke, He speaks today too and will continue to take place. It is the non-Ahmadi Muslims who reject “Wahi” now. I don’t know what is the relation of Wahi with the concept of Jesus’ (AS) aparant physical ascent.

2. Holy Prophet’s (PBUH) Miraj: There too seems to be some misunderstanding. This is also mentioned in Quran so we certainly believe in this event. We as Ahmadi Muslims however don’t consider it to be a physical journey of Holy Prophet (PBUH). We believe it to be a spiritual journey (ie. Kashf or Vision of highest status). There are a number of reasons why we don’t consider it to be as physical journey of Holy Prophet but I think that will make this post too long. To make it just precise and short, I would just say that God doesn’t have a phsyical body and He is not located at a certain place. One doesn’t need to physically move from one’s place to be close to Allah. Journey of Miraj was a journey of Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) towards Allah Almighty and Holy Prophet (PBUH) didn’t need to move from his place to be close to Allah. Allah was already with Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

3. Rising of the Dead: Once again there seems to be some kind of misunderstanding. I don’t know what your belief is regarding this issue, but we don’t believe that dead people will physically be taken out of their graves. When a person dies, his body remains in the world but the soul is taken away. So its the rising of the soul and not the body.

Now what proof do you have from Quran to suggest that Jesus (AS) was taken up bodily alive to heavens?

boys, i am yearning to have an answer from you!

is it permitted in your religion to have sex with a woman who has become a prisoner of war?

no rubbish pls; only say YES or NO

@Bilal

I am surprised at the level of your incompetence about books of Mr Mirza. Let me give a run down of what happened, you wrote on Sep 13,2:15 am,
“I swear by God that whatever you have quoted there as “writings” of Promised Messiah are nothing but either things translated into English totally wrongly to give a wrong impression or are total fabrications, or are things taken out of context.”

I replied to this and gave you a link so Sep 16, 5:50 pm:
“http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/
It is item# 79:
Roohani Khazain Volume 21 – INDEX 21
79. Braheen Ahmadiyya – Vol. 5″

And I also said in the same post:
“Please go to the link, open the book. Read it in complete and full context, it will be very clear that Mirza Sb is explaining that Allah has made two loves. Love of God and love of sex. When you will to paradise these loves will be of such a nature that will become so similar if you have sex with your wife, you won’t be sure if you had sex or you loved God. Whereas, people like Mirza Sb who are very pious get this status even in this world and they cannot differentiate if they had sex or said the prayer.
Then Mirza Sb has explained in detail that when you enter sperms into the internal genitals of a woman it gives you great delight. Then you he also explains when you remember God you start crying and your tears jump out of the eyes (a few feet may be) just like sperms jump out during ejaculation.”

Notice the words, “Read it in complete and full context” this is what you guys always cry about and thus I pushed you to do the same and read in full context.

Then you again asked on Sep 17, 12:48 am:

“Kindly give me the page number from the book where allegedly Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi has written exactly what you are translating as his words.”

I replied you on Sep 17, 7:56 am:

“It already gives you the page, i.e., 192. You are welcome to read it a few pages back and a few pages forward to determine the exact context and enlighten us all if you Ahmadi believe love of Allah similar to entering sperms into internal genital of your wife and actually get confused if you said prayer or had sex with your wife.

In any case ahmadibeliefs.com gives exact page references as well as actual scans from the mentioned books.”

You can notice, again I have told you to read a few pages back and a few pages forward from page 192 to understand my statements given in previous posts.

Then you read page 192 from Braheen Ahmadiyya Vol 5 and found out these are spiritual gems, however, you did not bother to read back and forward and arrogantly denied my statements. Now it is funny that you were able to read page 192 from Braheen Ahmadiyya Vol 5 but when you were asked to read page 197 you got Aina Kamalat-e-islam.

What can I do in this situation. Let me politely inform you that Aina Kamalat-e-Islam is item 13 and Braheen Ahmadiyya is item 79 of RK.

May Allah give all qadianis the ability to read books of Mirza Sb so that they can appreciate how filthy they are. For your convenience I repeat my questions again:

What exactly did I tell a lie?

Did Mirza Sb say that when you have sex with your wife or love Allah you cannot differentiate? YES or NO

Did Mirza Sb say that tears jump out of your eyes just like sperm jumps out during ejaculation? YES or NO

Did Mirza Sb say that entering sperms into genitals of a women is matter of great delight and is just like loving Allah? YES or NO

Read in full context and reply again.

“Newobserver,

Once again the answer to your questions is:

1. No 2. No 3. No

I read the writings of the Promised Messiah with pure, unprejudiced, honest and open heart. When I read his writings with in the context, I find nothing but pearls of wisdom. I showed you earlier how tactfully you ignored to pointout earlier that the passages were explaining the verses of the Holy Quran. You still seem to redicule and refuse to acknowledge openly that the way Promised Messiah (AS) has explained those verses from the Chapter Al-Momiminoon are unparallel.

Your three questions show your total lack of understanding of the passages or your total refusal to understand them. I however understand them and understand the philosophy behind those words. You seem to take everything from the writings of the Promsised Messiah on their face value and refuse to understand the wisdom behind them. So using your same mentality, let me ask you to answer me in yes/no to these questions regarding Quranic verses in the same way you have posed questions in regards to the writings of Promised Messiah (AS):

1. Did Allah say in the Holy Quran that He turned those who were cursed into apes and swine? YES/NO

2. Does Quran say Noah was 950 years old? YES/NO

3. Does Quran say your wives are your “tilth”? YES/NO

4. Does Quran say that man is created from clay? YES/NO

5. Does Quran say that we will have rivers of wine in heaven? YES/NO

I am sure now you will try to UNDERSTAND these verses (I hope, if you don’t interpret Quran like some of the illiterate Mullah) and you wouldn’t just take them on face value. To me all these verses make perfect sense because I am not dishonest when reading these verses.

If the answer to any of the above questions is yes, then you must redicule these verses of the Holy Quran in the same way you want to redicule the writings of the Promised Messiah (AS). You must refuse to UNDERSTAND the verses in the same way as you do when you read the writings of Promised Messiah (AS). Waiting for your rational and calm response.

Bilal

An other thing about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
He encouraged his followers do donate money to help the British empire fighting the Boers in South Africa.
This was an exceptionally bloody war and it was the first known use of concentration camps in history. (Boer civilians were herded together in inhumane conditions to live in these camps)
Can we assume that this prophet of Allah was only doing as Allah commanded him when aiding this slaughter of people? Has any other prophet taken such a position?
Or can the more rational among us draw the conclusion that the only reason he done this was to win the favour of the ruling elite, which would in turn bestow favours upon himself and his followers?

@Haris Zuberi,

Why don’t you first respond to my post to you and sort that issue first rather than changing the topic and moving to a totally new one? If you have the courage and Taqwah then resolove that issue you raised earlier of Jesus’ ascension from the teachings of Holy Quran. So rather than copy pasting from anti-Ahmadiyya websites and following the enemies of Islam who use the same tactics against Islam, you better resolve the issue through the teachings of Quran; the ultimate Book of guidence for the seekers of truth (especially the Muslims)

Bilal

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a false prophet and both his and his son’s and indeed descendant’s characters are evident from the episodes that I have shown and that is only from what I know off. I dare say there are many such occurrences that I do not know of.
I will provide links to books such as Kalimat-ul-Fasal by Hadhrat Sahibzada Mirza Bashir Ahmad from the alislam website. Infact this book was brought before the Ahmadiyya Khalifa III in the Pakistan senate.
In this book this great “SAHIBZADA” showed the world the true face of the ahmadis when he gave HIS OWN INTERPRETATION of the KALIMA to include Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
At then end of this entire episode the Ahmadiyya Khalifa said that if the whole of Pakistan would convert to Ahmadiyya if the proceedings were made public.

SO Bilal, who is the enemy of Islam, I or the the SAHIBZADA of AHMADIYYAT WHO BELIEVED THAT THE KALIMA AUTOMATICALLY INCLUDED MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD.

Let the readers decide.

Extract from Kalimat-ul-Fasal by Hadhrat Sahibzada Mirza Bashir :

“The fool does not realise that ‘Muhammad is the messenger of Allah’ was put in the Kalima because he is the crowning head of the prophets and the Khatam-un-nabiyyin. By mentioning his name all other prophets are implicitly included. There is no need to mention the name of everyone separately. Admittedly, the coming of the Promised Messiah has created one difference, and that is that before his coming the significance of the words ‘Muhammad is the messenger of Allah’ included (besides the Holy Prophet) only the prophets before the Holy Prophet Muhammad, but after the coming of the Promised Messiah one more prophet was added to the significance of these words. … In other words, the same Kalima is still to be used for admission into Islam, the difference merely being that the coming of the Promised Messiah has added one more messenger to the significance of the words ‘Muhammad is the messenger of Allah’.”

@Haris Zuberi,

Once again, you are not coming back to the issue you raised yourself. Why is that? Why would you hesitate to discuss the issue of Jesus’ (AS) aparant ascension (that the non-Ahmadis believe in) from the teachings of Holy Quran. Don’t you consider this to be an ultimate source of guidence? I hope you will come to this issue.

Now in regards to the passages you keep on bringing, I don’t find anything difficult to understand. I will discuss that issue too with you I promise, but first resolve the issue of Jesus’ (AS) aparant ascension from the teachings of Quran. I hope I will get a positive and civilised response from you now.

As for the question of Jesus’s death, the only thing that muslims can be sure of is that he was not crucufied.
If it was such an important issue that Jesus had died in Kashmir/Jalandhar why did the prophet not mention the issue? When the prophet pbuh said “Today I have perfected your religion” he might have added “Apart from the death of Jesus which you’ll spend the next 1300 years in complete confusion about”.
As I personally see it, Mirza just invented the issue so that he could have a cause or a claim, and also he was sick of being just another saint and thought he was worthy of Prophethood. When ever you talk to Ahmadis, ( or atleast the ones that I have talked to) they like to make out that main stream muslims are just sitting on their hands waiting for Jesus to descend.
Shia’s don’t believe in the Messiah Jesus, yet they are still considered to be Muslims.

Please Bilal I would love to hear your justification for books such as Kalimat-ul-Fasal by Hadhrat Sahibzada Mirza Bashir Ahmad and The Truth About The Split by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad.

When you are done with those I have plenty more.

@Haris Zuberi,

1. I am not clear what your belief is in regards to Jesus (AS)? Is he dead or alive? I need a clear answer in this regard.

2. As I said earlier in my post to you that it is NOT important to know where he died, the important issue is if he is dead or alive. We infer from the teachings of Quran, hadith, past scriptures and the historical records available that the most probable route he took was towards Eastwards. You had yourself mentioned earlier a few reasons why we consider Kashmir as his last abode on this earth. After all there were around 124000 prophets sent to the world before the arrival of Holy Prophet (PBUH). Do you know the whereabout of all the past prophets of God?

3. If someone rejects a true prophet of God as you are claiming regarding Shias that they reject Jesus (AS), what is the verdict of Quran regarding such people? Are they considered to be Muslims or Kafir according to Quran?

I need clear and civilised answers from you.

My dear Qadiani brothers, there is really no need to delve into the issue of whether Jesus (PBUH)is alive or dead, as it was never mentioned a part of Faith (Imaan) by our Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). So the faith of any Muslim is considered complete in every respect no matter what beliefs he/she has about the death/ascension of Jesus (PBUH).

However, we can take a look at the ‘beautiful’ language used by Mirza Qadiani for Jesus (PBUH) in one of his books:

“The family of Jesus was perfectly holy and immaculate. Jesus’ three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood the body of Jesus came into existence. May be it was a condition for divinity. His inclination for prostitutes and interaction with them might also be due to this ancestral relationship.” (Anjam-e-Atham 291)

Is this the kind of language a ‘prophet’ uses for another Prophet? Mr. Bilal, you said that ‘newobserver’ is taking the quotes out of context. You have completely missed the point brother. The objection is more on the language, as context can be different for you and me, but the language can’t be, unless you choose to take the stance that these books have not been written by Mirza Qadiani. Can you find any such filthy language in the Quran or Hadith anywhere like “love of Allah is like having sex”. Come on dear, open your eyes and realize the truth, for its never too late to embrace the truth.

Surah Nisa Ch 4,verses 157-158
157. That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
158. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

The above mentioned verses are self explanatory and enough for any muslim to prove that Allah Almighty raised Jesus(A.s)up alive.

According to Hadith, he is on the second heaven. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam=Peace be upon him) mentioned, “During the Meraj (Ascension), I met Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) on the second heaven. I found him of medium stature, reddish white. His body was so clean and clear, that it appeared as though he had just performed ghusal (ablution, cleansing of the entire body) and come.” In another Hadith, Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) mentioned to the Jews that, ” Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) is not dead, he will most surely return to you before Qiyamat (the Day of Judgement).”

Furthermore if you read the bible
Jesus (A.S.) also says,

… and a little while and you shall not see me; and again a little while, you shall see me because I go to the Father.
(Bible, John 16:16)

so i guess that should settle any confusions relating to Hazrat Isa(A.s).and whosoever still has any doubts kindly read the first verse again.Peace.

@Ahsan,

Thank you for quoting this verse of the Holy Quran and the hadith. The verse which you have quoted from Holy Quran declaring the raising of Jesus (AS) towards Allah Almighty does settle the issue, but not in the favour of your interpretation of the Holy Quran but ours’. There are a number of reasons why.

1. The verse says “Allah raised (Rafa’a) him (Jesus) to Himself”. Quran in other places confirms that the presence of Allah is everywhere eg. “Allahu Noorussamawate wal ardh” (God is the Light of heavens and the earth). So if you want to interpret the meaning of “Rafa’a” here as physical ascension of Jesus (AS) towards God (ie. to another point), then that would imply that God was not present where Jesus (AS) was then. He had to be physically moved from that place to some other place to be close to Allah. Would you agree with that interpretation of this verse?

2. The same expression (Rafa’a) has been used for another true prophet of God Hadhrat Idrees (AS) in the Holy Quran in the following words:

[19:57] And relate the story of Idrees as mentioned in the Book. He was a truthful man and a Prophet.

[19:58] And We raised/exalted (Rafa’a root) him to a lofty station.

Would you then imply from this verse that Hadhrat Idrees (AS) was also raised to heaven physically?

Now I will try to explain what truly the word “rafa’a” means when used in relation to God with man. To understand the following verse of Holy Quran is the best source of guidence:

And if We had pleased, We would certainly have EXALTED/RAISED him (man) (le rafa’nahu) thereby; but he clung to the earth and followed his low desire, so his parable is as the parable of the dog; if you attack him he lolls out his tongue; and if you leave him alone he lolls out his tongue; this is the parable of the people who reject Our communications; therefore relate the narrative that they may reflect.” (7:176/177)

So according to the above verse, Allah Almighty wanted to RAISE the man because of His pleasure, but man on the other hand stooped down and clung to earth and FOLLOWED HIS LOW DESIRES. So the raising is only in ranks and not in the physical body of the person.

Similarly in the case of Jesus (AS), according to Quran, the crime of Jews is twofold.

1. They claimed that God forbid Jesus’ birth was accursed.
2. They also claimed that his death was accursed death because according to them they had either killed him on the cross or killed him otherwise.

On both occusions Allah rejects the claim of the Jews. In regards to the latter, Allah Almighty makes it clear that they wanted Jesus to die an accursed death, but God on the other hand raised him (in status) towards Himself and it were the enemies of Jesus who were actually cursed.

Now in regards to the hadith you have mentioned regarding Jesus’ presence in the second heaven during Miraj of Holy Prophet (PBUH), but forgot to mention that in the same hadith of Bukhari, Yahya (AS) is also mentioned to be in the same second heaven with Jesus (AS). The Holy Prophet saw both of them together in the second heaven during Miraj. If Jesus (AS) is alive then Yahya (AS) should also be alive.

I hope you will acknowledge the understanding of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community as the correct one insha Allah.

Wassalam,

Bilal

Jesus (PBUH), alive or dead, would be delighted at what another fellow ‘prophet’ said about him:

“The family of Jesus was perfectly holy and immaculate. Jesus’ three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood the body of Jesus came into existence. May be it was a condition for divinity. His inclination for prostitutes and interaction with them might also be due to this ancestral relationship.” (Anjam-e-Atham 291)

Karachi streets and walls are litter with
Gustakh e Sahaba(RA) Amir Liaquat Wajib ul Qatal Hay

Amir Liaquat is saving himself from Sipa e Sahaba and Lashkar e Jhangvi after his blasphemous remarks about Shabas(RA).

Now by playing this game against Qadyanis he might trying to save his skin but God knows what will happen to him

@A Mighty Heart,

That is a cop out. Don’t try to change the topic. If you have the courage to label Ahmadi Muslims as non-Muslims and Promised Messiah (AS) as an imposter then you should have the courage to defend your understanding of Holy Quran through Holy Quran. Rather than copying things from anti-Ahmadiyya websites and then pasting them here, I would rather advise you to use your own mind sometimes too and do your own research (I hope you are doing this out of ignorance and not deliberately even after knowing the truth).

So come on and answer my post in regards to Jesus’ aparant ascension and the proof in the Holy Quran that goes against all such non-sensical notions. You have also chosen not to respond my post that was addressed to you too. So stop changing the topic by pasting things from anti-Ahmadiyya websites and be a man enough to defend your own interpretation of Holy Quran.

Just for the sake of genuine seekers of truth, the passage you have quoted again from anti-Ahmadiyya website is once again a LIE and thing taken totally out of context very cunningly and deliberately to decieve those who want to know the truth. This link should answer this allegation:

http://www.alislam.org/books/truth/gospels.html

So Mighty Heart, be brave enough to defend what you consider to be the truth, and if you can’t do that then atleast stop labelling others as deviants. Start acting like a Muslim!!!

Bilal

Serious discussion requires that issues are taken up one by one. Ahsan refered to a Quranic verse and Hadith about Mairaj and tried to prove that Hazrat Eisa was lifted with his body up the heaven somewhere.
Bilal replied to this argument and explained the term “rafa’a”from Quran and and from Hadith about Mairaj. Now instead of replying to Bilal’s argument, Ahsan and other scribes are now talking about some other issues. That is not fair. Or should it be constued that this issue gets settled and it is proved that Hazrat Eisa died as any other prophet. Then one can further talk about some other issue.
Even on scientific lines there is no such physical place available or known in the skies where people are kept bodily. In Mairaj the Holy Prophet saw many prophets up the heavens. Muslims treat it as spiritual presence. But if this was bodily presence of all the dead prophets, all the prophets are as alive as is Hazrat Eisa.
But of course teaching-wise, they are alive and spiritually Allah has surely lifted, exalted them all, but not physically

to khaled
can you please tell me what did amit liaqat said about sahaba?

I can see the Ahmadi playing their usual trick of trying to turn Shia against Sunni by asking the question “what did amit liaqat said about sahaba” and then claiming that ghair ahmadis are divided and fighting against each other.
Guess what the next claim will be: “My community will divide into 73 sects, and all of them will be in the Hellfire save one”. Guess who is saved sect, the Ahmadis!! Save it I have seen it all before.

For readers off this site I implore you to read the following book:
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Truth-about-the-Split.pdf
Also urdu readers might enjoy the following:
http://www.alislam.org/urdu/pdf/Kalma-tul-Fasal.pdf

If any of my quotes are incorrect let the readers decide who is a LIAR.
ME OR THE QADIANIS!!!!!!!

Then the usual mollarky will follow about ghair ahmadis being Kafirs within the 4 walls of Islam. I have Mirza Tahir try to argue this, but his argument was completely non sensical!

The works of Kahlifa II expose this to be a LIE INVENTED by Khalifa III and IV, along with slogans LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE and so on.

Islam is not based on the death of Isa, it is a manufactured issue created by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to claim how he was a great defender of Islam. As a poster eloquently put it earlier:

“there is really no need to delve into the issue of whether Jesus (PBUH)is alive or dead, as it was never mentioned a part of Faith (Imaan) by our Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). So the faith of any Muslim is considered complete in every respect no matter what beliefs he/she has about the death/ascension of Jesus (PBUH).”

I could believe that Jesus was whisked off to Mars, however that does not make me a non-muslim and it does not make Ahmadis with their BAHAI interpretation of the finality of the prophethood muslims.
Yes the entire world knows that BAHAIS were the first people to interpret the “khatam ul nabi” to mean the seal of the prophets and not the final prophet. Your prophet could have at least come up with something original rather than stealing from Bahaiulla. However it worked well in Persia, I guess there was no reason to believe it wouldn’t work well in India. (Deny it if you like, but history proves that I am correct)

Bilal, with regards to Shia Islam I am not aware of Shia Islam using foul language against Isa pbuh or any prophet for that matter. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

The below gives a synopsis of what main stream muslims already believe about Jesus.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/crucified.htm
“In 4:156-159 “……Nay Allah raised him up Unto Himself…..”

There is a difference of opinion as to the exact interpretation of this verse. The words are: The Jews did not kill Jesus, but Allah raised him up (rafa’ahu…in Arabic) to Himself. Some people hold that Jesus did not die the usual human death, but still lives in the body in heaven, which is the generally accepted Muslim view. Another hold that he did die but not when he was supposed to be crucified, and that is being “raised up” unto Allah means that instead of being disgraced as a malefactor, as the Jews intended, he was on the contrary honoured by Allah Almighty as His Messenger. The same word (rafa’a) is used in association with honour in connection with Al Mustafa (Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him).”

Notice that the issue of whether or not Jesus is raised physically or not is addressed in this article? Muslims have interpreted this in a variety of ways, but believing in one interpretation or the other is not an article of faith for muslims.
So stop trying to raise false issues in order to use the divide and conquer approach in order to spread the false beliefs of your prophet!

At the same time I advise Ahmedies also to change their policies and stop cruel practices like ’social boycott’, expulsions, hate propaganda, forced divorces and family breakups that they use against people who chose to leave Jamaat or express dissent about the policies or personal behaviour of Ahmedi leadership. It is highly hypocritical that Ahmedies don’t allow any Ahmedi to object on any belief or people of Mirza family but expect that others will tolerate their beliefs that are in conflict with some basic tenants of Main stream Islam.

A lot of problems against Ahmedies are direct result of social isolation that Ahmedies have self-created due to their policy of not having marital and social relations with non-Ahmedi Muslims. This policy of Ahmadiyya has made this community a fortress community that is held hostage by their own dogmas – many purely based on hate.

I am an Ahmedi by birth and hel many positions in Jamaat in my youth. Right now I am facing a severe social boycott by Ahmedi community including families of me and my wife. Is such practice human? My only crime was that I criticize corruption among clergy and so-called holy Mirza family and also some wrong practices including discrimination against women.

Crimes against Ahmedies in Pakistan and rest of Islamic world are condemnable and Ahmedies should be allowed freedoms to practice their religion. All discriminatory laws against Ahmedies must be scraped.

At the same time I advise Ahmedies also to change their policies and stop cruel practices like ’social boycott’, expulsions, hate propaganda, forced divorces and family breakups that they use against people who chose to leave Jamaat or express dissent about the policies or personal behaviour of Ahmedi leadership. It is highly hypocritical that Ahmedies don’t allow any Ahmedi to object on any belief or people of Mirza family but expect that others will tolerate their beliefs that are in conflict with some basic tenants of Main stream Islam.

A lot of problems against Ahmedies are direct result of social isolation that Ahmedies have self-created due to their policy of not having marital and social relations with non-Ahmedi Muslims. This policy of Ahmadiyya has made this community a fortress community that is held hostage by their own dogmas – many purely based on hate.

I am an Ahmedi by birth and hel many positions in Jamaat in my youth. Right now I am facing a severe social boycott by Ahmedi community including families of me and my wife. Is such practice human? My only crime was that I criticize corruption among clergy and so-called holy Mirza family and also some wrong practices including discrimination against women.

What is mean by Khataman Nabiyyeen by Jamaat Ahmadiyya?

The principal charge leveled against the Promised Messiah, peace be on him, is that (God save us), he repudiated the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, being the Khataman Nabiyyeen.

This is an utterly false charge. The Promised Messiah, peace be on him, has repeatedly affirmed in his writings that he believes that every word and vowel point of the Holy Quran is from God and that this is part of his faith. He was the first person in Islam who proclaimed that not one word of the Holy Quran is abrogated. He challenged those who believe that a certain number of verses of the Holy Quran have been abrogated, to come forth in opposition to his declaration and that he would establish that not a single word of the Holy Quran has been abrogated. To say concerning such a person that (God save us) he repudiated a whole verse of the Holy Quran (33:41) is a monstrosity.

He has stated:

I call Allah, the Glorious, to witness that I am not a disbeliever. My doctrine is that there is no one worthy of worship save Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah . I believe concerning him that he was the Messenger of Allah and the Khataman Nabiyyeen. I affirm the truth of this statement with as many oaths as are the Holy names of Allah and as are the letters of the Holy Quran and as is the number of the excellencies of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. No belief of mine is contrary to the commands of Allah and His Messenger. He who imagines anything contrary to this labors under a mis-conception. (Karamatus Sadiqeen, p.25)

Again he has stated:

The person who was above all, and was a perfect man, and a perfect prophet, and who came with the fullness of blessings, through whom, on account of his spiritual advent and the spiritual resurrection that he brought about, the first judgment manifested itself and a whole universe that was dead was revived, that blessed prophet Khatamul Anbiya, Leader of the elect, Katamul Mursileen, Pride of the Prophets was Muhammad Mustafa, peace and the blessings of Allah by upon him. (Itmamul Hujjah, p.28)

He claimed:

Allah is Glorious, Allah is Glorious; what a high station was that of the Khatamul Anbiya, the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. Glory be to Allah, what high degree of light was his. (Braheen Ahmadiyya, p.246)

My belief that I hold in this life and with which, by the grace of Allah, I shall pass on from this world is that our lord and master, Muhammad Mustafa, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, was Khataman Nabiyyeen and the best of Messengers. (Izala Auham, part I, p.137)

He declared:

I believe in the Khatam-i-Nabuwat of the Khatamul Anbjya, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, and consider one who denies the Khatam-i-Nabuwat as faithless and outside the pale of Islam. (Taqreer Wajabul llan, 1891)

He has stated:

My belief is that our Holy Prophet is better and more exalted than all the Messengers and is Khataman Nabiyyeen. (Ayenah Kamalat Islam, p.327)

He has declared:

I believe that our Holy Prophet, Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, is more exalted than all the Messengers and is the Khatamul Anbiya. (Hamamatul Bushra, p.8)

He has affirmed:

I believe truly and perfectly in the verse which says: ‘But he was the Messenger of Allah and Khataman Nabiyyeen’. (Ek Ghati Ka Izala)

All this makes it clear beyond doubt that the Promised Messiah, peace be upon him, had perfect faith in the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be on him, being the Khataman Nabiyyeen, and that he considered anyone who repudiated this as being outside the pale of Islam. It is, therefore, the height of injustice to allege that he denied the Khatam-i-Nabuwat of Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him.

It is true, however, that the Ahmadiyya Community differs with some of the Muslim divines in the true meaning and interpretation of the relevant verse (33:41). The Ahmadis have firm faith in the verse itself and a difference of view regarding its meaning and interpretation does not import disbelief. In the history of Islam great Imams and divines have differed with each other in the matter of interpretation on several questions. Despite those differences they were all considered Muslims and are worthy of honor by all Muslims. Such Imams and high authorities have interpreted this particular verse (33:41) exactly as the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement has interpreted it. Will they all, God forbid, be held to be non-Muslims? It would be obviously unjust that if X interprets a verse in one way he should be held to be a Muslim but if Y interprets it in the same way, he should be held to be a disbeliever. We set out, by way of illustration, the interpretations of this verse (33:41) by some of the outstanding divines.

Hazrat Mulla Ali Qari (mercy of Allah be upon him), who died in 1014 A.H. and was a great research scholar and a master of Hanafi jurisprudence and was a great Imam, has stated in his book Mauzuat Kabir, with reference to the saying of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him:

Had Ibrahim (the Holy Prophet’s infant son) survived, he would have been a true prophet, that if Ibrahim had survived and had become a prophet he would still have been a follower of the Holy Prophet; and he has interpreted the verse (33:41) as meaning that there would be no prophet after the Holy Prophet who would abrogate his law and who would not be one of his followers.

In the same way, Hazrat Shah Waliullah, Muhaddas of Delhi (mercy of Allah be upon him), who has been acclaimed as the Reformer of the 12th century of Islam, has stated in his book Tafheemat IIahiyyah:

The prophets came to an end with the Holy Prophet, meaning that there can be no divinely inspired reformer after him who would be commissioned by Allah, the Glorious, with a new law.

Thus there can be a difference in the interpretation of the verse, but so far as faith in the verse is concerned it is not open to any doubt that the Promised Messiah, peace be upon him, had full faith in it.

The verse is as follows:

Muhammad is not the father of any of your man, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets. Allah has full knowledge of all things. (33:41)

Our opponents say that the expression Khataman Nabiyyeen, which has been employed in this verse, relating to the Holy Prophet, means that by his advent prophethood has been closed and that he was the last prophet in every sense. This interpretation is not correct. The word Khatam means seal and thus the expression Khataman Nabiyyeen means the Seal of the Prophets. The verse states that Muhammad is not the father of any man but is the Messenger of Allah and is the Seal of the Prophets. The question, therefore, is what is the true meaning of the expression ‘Seal of the Prophets’ in this context? Our opponents contend that the phrase Khataman Nabiyyeen does mean the Seal of the Prophets but that its interpretation is that the Holy Prophet was the last prophet, for the purpose of a seal is to close a document.

It is well known, however, that the purpose of a seal is not to close a statement but to certify it as correct. That is why often a seal is affixed to a document at its top and in other cases it is affixed at its bottom or at its end. Its purpose is to certify the genuiness and correctness of the contents of the document. It is well known that after the truce of Hudaybiyyah, when the Holy Prophet decided to address letters to the rulers and chiefs of surrounding territories inviting them to the acceptance of Islam, he was told that rulers and chiefs do not attach any significance to a communication addressed to them unless it bears the seal of the writer. Thereupon the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, had a seal prepared which was thereafter used for the attestation and certification of documents (Bokhari and Muslim).

The purpose of a seal being attestation and certification, the interpretation of the verse in question would be that though the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, had no male issue, yet being the Messenger of Allah he is the spiritual progenitor of his followers. He is, therefore, not without issue but has a large progeny. It is added that he is not merely a Divine Messenger but is also the Seal of the Prophets, that is to say, he is not only the progenitor of the generality of the believers but is the spiritual progenitor of the prophets and messengers also and thus he occupies the exalted position which imports that no prophet or messenger can now appear unless he bears with him the confirmatory seal of the Holy Prophet. This means that the Holy Prophet is not only the spiritual progenitor of the generality of believers but is also the spiritual progenitor of prophets and messengers.

If this verse is construed as meaning that the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, was absolutely the last prophet, the verse becomes meaningless. In that case its meaning would be: ‘Muhammad had no son but he is the last prophet.’ In Arabic idiom the word ‘but’ which has been used here is employed for the purpose of introducing an explanation in modification of what has gone before, or for the purpose of clearing a doubt which the previous statement might raise. The use of the word ‘but’ in this verse entails that it should be followed by a statement which modifies or clarifies that which has gone before. In view of this the interpretation put forward by our opponents makes the verse meaningless, for it would then amount to a statement that though the Holy Prophet has no issue, no prophet will come after him. This would constitute no praise of the Holy Prophet.

The interpretation of the verse adopted by the Ahmadiyya Community is in exact accord with that attributed to it by great Imams and the elect in the past. For instance, Hazrat Ayesha (may Allah be pleased with her) is reported as having said:

Say he was Khataman Nabiyyeen, but do not say that there will be no prophet after him. (Durre Manshur, Vol. V of Jalaludin Suyuti)

Hazrat Mohyuddin ibn Arabi has stated in his book, Futuhat Makkiyyah:

Prophethood will continue among men till the Judgment Day, though a new law is barred. Law is a part of prophethood.

Hazrat Imam Muhammad Tahir has stated in his book, Majmaul Bihar:

The saying of Hazrat Ayesha that Muslims should call the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be on him, Khataman Nabiyyeen, but should not say that there would be no prophet after him, had reference to the advent of the Promised Messiah. The direction given by Hazrat Ayesha is not in contradiction with the hadees: ‘There will be no prophet after me’; for the meaning of the Holy Prophet was that there would be no prophet after him who would abrogate his law.

Hazrat Shaikh Ahmad Sirhindi (may Allah have mercy on him) Reformer of the second millennium, who is held in great honor, has stated:

The achievement by the followers of the Holy Prophet by way of obedience and inheritance of the excellencies of prophethood after the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, is not inconsistent with his being the Khatamar Rusul (Maktubat Ahmadiyya, Vol. I)

Hazrat Shah Waliullah, Muhaddas of Delhi, may Allah have mercy on him, who was a great divine and was the Reformer of the 12th century of Islam, has stated in his book Tafheemat Ilahiyyah that the meaning of prophethood having come to an end with the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, is that there will be no one who will be appointed by God Almighty with a new law.

These are only a few out of hundreds of statements made by eminent Muslim divines and righteous people who have interpreted the expression Khataman Nabiyyeen in the same way as the Promised Messiah, peace be upon him, has interpreted it. If despite differences in interpretation they were Muslims and were accepted as believers in the Holy Quran, why should the Promised Messiah, peace be on him, be penalized for having the same belief? Such an attitude would be the height of injustice.

There is a serious contradiction involved in the stand taken by the divines who are opposed to the Ahmadiyya Movement. On the one hand they pronounce the Promised Messiah, peace be on him, a disbeliever because in their estimation his claim of prophethood is contradictory of the verse which pronounces the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, as being Khataman Nabjyyeen; and on the other hand they believe that Jesus, son of Mary, who is a Prophet, would come a second time. If the Seal of Prophethood is disrupted by the claim of the Promised Messiah that he is a prophet by reflection, then how is it that it would not be disrupted by the second advent of Jesus who was a Prophet in his own right? The bulk of the Muslims believe that Jesus would descend from heaven in his earthly body and would be a prophet.

For instance, Maulana Maudoodi Sahib has stated:

The second advent of Jesus is a question on which the Muslims are all agreed. This belief is based upon the Holy Quran, hadees, and consensus … This is a certainty and admits of no doubt that the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, has announced the second advent of Jesus. This is established by irrefutable testimony. If such testimony can be rejected, no historical event of the world can be accepted. (Answer to ten questions on behalf of Jamaat Islami, p.24)

In a hadees of Muslim, the Messiah who was to come has been described as the Prophet of Allah. The stand of the Ahl-i-Hadees sect in this matter is that there is a consensus among the Muslims and it is supported by the ahadees that the Promised Messiah would be a prophet. (Ahl-i-Hadees, 29 November 1966).

Imam Sayuti, Ibn Arabi, and Ibn Hajar have all clearly affirmed that in his second advent, the Messiah would be a prophet. Basing himself on a statement by Imam Sayuti, Nawab Siddique Hasan Khan Sahib wrote:

He who asserts that Hazrat Isa, when he comes down will not be a prophet and would be deprived of his prophethood is certainly a disbeliever as Imam Jalaludin Sayuti has clearly affirmed, inasmuch as Hazrat Isa is a Prophet and a prophet is not deprived of his quality of prophethood either in his lifetime or after his death. (Hujajul Karamah, p.431)

Shaikh Ibn Arabi has said:

There is no difference of opinion on the question that Hazrat Isa is a Prophet and a Messenger and it is agreed that he would appear in the latter days and his prophethood is well established (Futuhat Makkiyyah, Vol.II, p.3)

Shaikh Ibn Hajar wrote:

Hazrat Isa is an honored Prophet. After he comes down he would still be a Prophet and Messenger. An affirmation by a person of no account that he will be only a member of the Muslim community is not correct, inasmuch as he being one of the Muslims and his giving effect to the Islamic law is not inconsistent with his being a Prophet and a Messenger. (Alfatawa Alhadisiyyak, p.129)

Thus, it is the united stand of the Muslims that at the time of his second advent the Messiah will still be clothed with the robe of prophethood and that this would not be inconsistent with the verse which describes the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, as Khataman Nabiyyeen (33:41).

How unjust, therefore, it is that despite the belief that Jesus of Nazareth will descend from heaven in his capacity of the Messiah of Israel and that he will be a Prophet and that this would not disrupt the Seal of Prophethood, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, who claimed to be a follower of the Holy Prophet and a Prophet by way of reflection and declared his purpose to be perfect obedience to the Holy Prophet, should be held to have been outside the pale of Islam on account of this claim.

Answer to Mr Haris Zuberi.

THE BELIEF that the last prophet, Muhammad (saw), has already come and gone and the assertion that Jesusas would descend to earth as a prophet after him are so inconsistent that they cannot be owned simultaneously. In fact this cocktail of two unrelated issues was made by some Ulema of the late medieval times. At the time of the revelation of the Holy Quran any connection between the two was unthinkable.

For the sake of the unfamiliar non-Muslim reader we need to explain the historical background of this issue lest they should fail to understand what the row is all about. The verse () Khatamun-Nabiyyeen is one of the most fundamental verses of the Quran which is profoundly rich in meaning and contains many possible connotations. But none of its connotations can even remotely be related to the so-called ascent of Jesus Christas. Hence the Mullah’s plea that Jesusas was lifted to the fourth heaven because this verse of finality was to be revealed by God is absolutely ridiculous and melodramatic. This so-called bodily ascent of Jesus has nothing to do with this verse nor with any verse in the Quran. The idea of raising Jesus Christas to heaven had never occurred to God. The entire Quran and the traditions of the Holy Prophetsa absolve God of this absurdity by a total absence of any such reference to the ascent of Jesusas. For the Mullahs to maintain that God had lifted him to forestall the problem created by this verse is a blatant lie and an unfounded allegation against the Quran. Thus it is the Mullah who is creating the problem himself and resolving it in the name of God. To bind this unfounded conjecture to one of the most fundamental verses of the Quran is an act of abomination. The reasons which motivate the medievalist clergy to do this and the deceptive manner in which they attempt to fuse these absolutely unrelated issues is the main subject of discussion here. Having familiarized the reader with the background, now we proceed to tell the tale of the Mullah’s desperation. With this in mind we hope that the reader will fully understand that which follows.

DESPITE THE FACT that the imagined ascent or descent of Jesusas has nothing to do with the independent declaration of the Holy Prophet’ssa finality, the clergy still assert that there is a definite link between the two. Prophet Jesusas, son of Mary, they insist, will be personally brought back from the heavens because no new prophet can be raised after Prophet Muhammadsa. This ingenious device of bringing an old prophet back to earth instead of raising one from the Ummah to meet the new need may seem highly laudable to the Muslim orthodoxy but their enthusiasm cannot be shared by ordinary humans. No one with an iota of common sense can attribute this cheap act of trickstering to God the Almighty, the All-Wise. Only the Mullahs can and this exactly is what they attempt to do. By connecting the return of Jesusas with the finality of the Holy Prophetsa, they think that they have rescued God from the consequences of a premature declaration of finality. Thus, the clergy believes that they have saved God from a grave dilemma of contradiction. This has to be the brainchild of a half-wit Mullah to whom it rightly belongs. The promise of finality to any prophet by God, despite His knowledge that it could not be kept, is inconceivable of Him. To make a show of keeping the promise by bringing an old prophet after the demise of the last one is sheer mockery. Thus, judging God by his own standards, the Mullah first attributes a shameful act of contradiction to Him, then comes forward to help Him save His face from it. This blatant attempt is not made without a purpose. To the Mullah it is a great idea having multiple advantages.

It saves the life of Jesus from an ignoble death upon the cross and frustrates his enemies’ attempts to prove him false. Imagine their exasperation at finding Jesus escape their clutches by vanishing into thin air (if there is any air at all in the fourth heaven where he is assumed to have ascended). But this measure must also have created another small problem for God. When and why he should be brought back to earth must have been the question. After all he could not be left abandoned in his heavenly confine till Doomsday. As far as God is concerned the problem does not exist. As far as the Mullah is concerned the problem is created by him to hide his own contradiction of believing in the finality of the Holy Prophetsa, as well as believing in the re-advent of Jesusas as a prophet after him. That is the only reason why he connects the verse of Khatamun-Nabiyyeen with the imaginary ascent of Jesusas. He does it with a cunning deceitfulness which cannot be detected by the ordinary Muslim masses. The following is the case he builds:

1. Jesus was lifted to heaven with a purpose and will be brought back finally to earth.
2. The coming of an old prophet after the last one had appeared would not break the seal of his finality.
3. The need for a new prophet in the latter days will be fulfilled without creating any dilemma of contradiction in God’s Decree.

There are some who kill two birds with one stone but the orthodoxy seems to know how to kill three with one! In reality however, by shifting the twist of their own mind to that of God, they commit an unpardonable act of blasphemy.

hmadi Muslims hold the unique belief that Jesus (peace be upon him) survived the crucifixion and travelled towards India to continue his ministry among the Lost Tribes of Israel. Furthermore, they claim that his tomb, containing his body, has been recently re-discovered in India where it can be seen to this day. Ahmadi Muslims also assert that this belief is not only upheld by the Holy Quran and the Sayings of Muhammad sa, but even by the Holy Bible itself.

Ahmadi Muslims believe that Jesus as was a Prophet of God born to the Virgin Mary and was the Messiah of the Israelites as foretold by Moses as.

Jesus Life before crucifixion

Mary — A Righteous Servant of God

The Holy Quran affirms the virgin birth of Jesus, and repudiates the notion that Mary was not pious and that her birth was illegitimate. The Quran narrates Mary’s statement to an angel: “How can I have a child when no man has touched me and neither have I been unchaste?” (19:21)

Moreover, it is on account of her piety that Chapter 19 in the Quran is named after her, and all pious Muslims are likened to her.
A Very Rare Phenomenon

The virgin birth of Jesus was a miracle, no doubt. But according to the Ahmadiyya Muslim view, miracles always work in accordance with God’s laws, no matter how limited our understanding of those laws are. Modern science has only just begun to study this rare phenomenon.

For example, In lower animals rare instances of virgin births have been well documented, representing a complete surprise to zoologists. There are even reports — albeit scattered — of fatherless human conceptions.

Of course, research continues and the mention of these phenomena is only given here to demonstrate that what was once considered impossible can indeed be plausible.

The Term “Son of God”

While the term “Son of God” has been used in reference to Jesus, it should be noted that God has used this title for many of His chosen ones.

For example, God, in the Old Testament refers to David: “I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, ‘You are my Son; today I have begotten you’” * (Psalm 2:7)

Furthermore, in a New Testament genealogy, Adam is listed as the “Son of God” (Luke 3.38). In fact, some may argue that Adam could have a greater claim over the “Sonship of God” because, unlike Jesus, he had neither an earthly father nor mother.

In order to reconcile these references and many others, it is not unreasonable to conclude, that the Biblical usage of the term “Son of God” does not necessarily connote a literal “sonship to God” but a metaphorical one instead.
The Nature of Jesus

This metaphorical understanding is furthered by Jesus’ own words and actions. Jesus is known to have engaged in many human devotional activities such as fasting and praying. But perhaps the most significant evidence is that Jesus claimed to lack knowledge of the future because, as he claimed, only the Father possessed perfect knowledge. (Mark 13:32).

This is especially notable since Christian doctrine holds the view that Jesus’ nature is a “hypostatic union”. That is, he was “fully divine” and “fully man” at the same time. If this were true, then he should have at no point denied his own omniscience.

These, in addition to other philosophical considerations, lead one to question the biblical term “Son of God” and its literal application to Jesus.

The Miracles of Jesus in the Holy Quran

The Holy Quran narrates several miracles of Jesus, including his ability to create birds, to cure ailments including blindness and raise the dead to life (Quran 3:50).

Ahmadi Muslims interpret these particular signs metaphorically. The people who accepted Jesus soared high like birds into the spiritual firmament above worldly, base concerns. Similarly in the metaphoric sense, he restored sight to the spiritually blind and life to the spiritually dead.

Jesus himself called the enemies of his day “blind” because of their hypocritical nature in matters of faith (Matthew 23:26). The very nature of his words about healing convey a spiritual change, not physical. It should also be remembered that Jesus spoke in parables, such as the famous line, “let the dead bury their dead” (Matthew 8:22).

The Holy Quran also describes disbelievers as deaf, dumb and blind (Quran 2:19) and the Holy Prophet (SAW) offered them ‘life’ and revival from such death (Quran 8:25).
Literal Interpretations

Indeed, it is difficult to insist on the literal interpretation of all Biblical miracles. Even the authoritative Harper’s Bible Commentary goes as far as to recommend that the following miracle relating to the resurrection be ignored.

The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.(Matthew 27:52-53)

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, expounds upon the significance of these verses in his landmark book, Jesus in India. He explains that the Bible is actually relating the details of a spiritual vision. And in the language of visions, if anyone sees “that the dead have come out of the graves and have made for their homes, the interpretation is that a prisoner would be released from his bondage, and that he would be rescued from the hands of his persecutors.” Incidentally, this interpretation is also corroborated by Gustavus Miller’s book, 10,000 Dreams Interpreted.

Ironically, while Christian scholars were advising against deriving any value from certain verses of the Bible, a Muslim, who claimed to be the Promised Messiah, would come to the Bible’s defense by illustrating some of the metaphorical beauties it contained.
Miracles and Divinity

Furthermore, it should remembered that Elijah also raised the dead to life (I Kings 17:19-22). It is difficult to make an argument about the divinity of Jesus therefore, unless one considers Elijah also divine. The argument that Jesus did the miracles with his own power, whereas God worked through Elijah, is contradicted by the New Testament itself. Acts (2:22) states: ‘Ye men of Israel hear these words, Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved by God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you’.

The geographic scope of Jesus’ mission was confined to where the Israelites lived. Jesus even said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24).

The Israelites followed the Torah, and Jesus came to revive the true spirit of the Torah in the hearts of the Israelites and clear any misunderstandings. He was a follower of Moses and did not change or reject the Mosaic law. The New Testament states Jesus came only to fulfill the Law and not abolish it (Matthew 5:17).
Lost Tribes in Afghanistan

Of the twelve tribes of Israel, only two remained in their homeland. The remaining ten tribes became known as the lost tribes or lost sheep of Israel, since they never returned back home. Most of the tribes settled in Afghanistan, northern India, and as far as China. Therefore, It was thus imperative for Jesus to minister in these areas by travelling there.

Today, there is a good body of evidence showing that certain peoples of Afghanistan and India and neighboring areas are of Israelite heritage. This is based on their own written and oral traditions, physical features, language, folklore, monuments, and customs. Most even call themselves ‘bani Israel’ or ‘children of Israel’.

Truth about Jesus

Birth of Jesus
In Islam, Mary is described as a pious and righteous woman who symbolizes righteous believers blessed with Divine inspiration. Islam then affirms the fatherless birth of Jesus and rejects outright the opposing claim that his birth was illegitimate.

Whereas, Islam recognizes the virgin birth of Jesus as a miraculous event, it does not consider it unnatural; the laws of nature are never broken. It just reflects the inability of man to fully understand the science behind various phenomena observed in nature. Numerous scientists have explained the virgin births.

In Islam, the immaculate conception of Jesus is not interpreted to mean that he was in some way a Divine Being. He was still a human being (Qur’an 19:31).

Divinity of Jesus
Islam presents Jesus as a human who believed in the absolute Unity and Indivisibility of God (Qur’an 3:52).

Muslims consider the doctrine of Divinity of Jesus and Trinity as later changes to the teachings of Jesus. The New Testament itself furnishes abundant evidence to show that Jesus was only a human being whom God chose for the reformation of His people, and repeatedly contradicts the Divinity of Jesus. Jesus always referred to himself as having been sent by God (John 17:3) and his followers, too, considered him a man approved by God (Qur’an 19:37; Acts 2:22, John 3:2).

He was undoubtedly called the son of God, but this title has only been employed metaphorically and in fact is used for all the chosen ones of God (Matt 5:9, Exodus 4:22). The literal connotation of ’son of God’ as a Divine Being and hence the subsequent development of Trinity Dogma was the result of Hellenistic influences on Christianity as it spread in the Gentile world. The Semitic usage of ’son of God’ was misunderstood and forgotten and disputes about the exact status of Jesus erupted, as recorded in the early Church history.

Jesus prayed to God like all other God-fearing individuals (Luke 5:16), and engaged in spiritual exercises such as fasting (Matt 4:2). Furthermore, Jesus lacked knowledge of the future (Mark 13:32), as only the Divine Being possesses perfect and complete knowledge.

Mission of Jesus
The mission of Jesus was confined to the Children of Israel (Qur’an 3:50, Matt. 10:5-6; 15:24). He was commissioned by God to revive the true spirit of the Torah in the hearts of the Israelites and clear any misunderstandings about the Law. He purified and revitalized Judaism. As Jesus was a follower of Moses, he did not change or reject the Mosaic Law. He had come to fulfill the Law (Matt 5:17).

Miracles of Jesus
The Holy Qur’an mentions several miracles of Jesus, including his ability to create birds, his ability to cure the leprous and the blind, and raising the dead to life. The ability to create birds is a metaphor meaning ordinary people who accepted the teachings of Jesus were spiritually transformed into birds soaring high into the lofty regions of the spiritual firmament above all worldly concerns. The healing powers can also be understood in the spiritual sense. He restored sight to those people who were spiritually blind, and gave life to those spiritually dead. Jesus specifically referred to the Pharisees of his day as being blind because, among other maladies, they were hypocritical in nature.

Indeed, all reformers from God are spiritual physicians since the disbelievers are deaf, dumb and blind according to Islam (Qur’an 2:19).

Crucifixion of Jesus
The disbelievers of Jesus wished to bring about his death upon the cross for the purpose of calling him accursed in accordance with the pronouncement in Deut 21:23 which declares, “he that is hanged is accursed of God.” His death on the cross would thus confirm him as a false Messiah. Islam contradicts the assertion that Jesus died an accursed death on the cross.

Thus, Ahmadi Muslims believe that God frustrated the plan of the disbelievers of Jesus. Although Jesus was nailed to the cross, he did not perish on it. He was removed from the cross in a state of unconsciousness (Qur’an 4:158). The Gospels, too, provide extensive evidence of his escape from the accursed death on the cross.

According to Islam, Jesus did not preach salvation through atonement of sins by his death on the cross. This philosophy of someone atoning for the sins of another is emphatically rejected in the Old Testament as well (Deut. 24:16, Ezekiel 18:2 and 20).

Ahmadi Muslims believe that Jesus came under the care of his devoted followers after he was removed from the cross. He was placed in the tomb where he recovered from his ordeal. The Gospels too describe that Jesus was still in his earthly body of flesh and bones after emerging from the tomb (Luke 24:39). An analysis of the post-crucifixion period described in the Gospels reveals that Jesus led a low-profile existence. He hurriedly traveled away from the locality of the crucifixion (Qur’an 23:51; Matt 28:10, Mark 16:7).

Migration to the East
Ahmadi Muslims believe that the physical ascension of Jesus to Heaven is a later interpolation. The term “heaven” is used for spiritual bliss which the righteous enjoy after a mortal life.

Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matt. 15:24). Out of twelve tribes of Israel, only two were in the region where Jesus preached. The other ten tribes, as a result of exile, were domiciled in the eastern countries, especially in Afghanistan and Kashmir. It was imperative for Jesus to migrate eastwards to complete his mission.

There is overwhelming evidence that the people of Afghanistan, Kashmir and neighbouring regions are of Israelite ancestry. Their physical features, languages, folklore, customs, and festivals attest to their Israelite heritage. Evidence also comes from the names they give to their villages, their monuments, and ancient historical works and inscriptions.

Kashmir

Jesus in India
The presence of Jesus in India is recorded in the ancient Indian literature, and records of Kashmir. Jesus came to Kashmir from the Holy Land during the reign of Raja Gopadatta (49-109 AD) to proclaim his prophethood to the Israelites. He was known as Yusu (Jesus) of the children of Israel. It is recorded that great number of people recognized his holiness and piety and became his disciples.

Tomb of JesusAccording to Ahmadi Muslims, Jesus’ mission was completed. He died a natural death at the approximate age of 120 in Kashmir, India. (Hadith: Kanzul Imal) The tomb of Jesus, known as the tomb of Prophet Yus Asaf, still exists in the Khanyar quarter of the city of Srinagar, Kashmir. It has been venerated for centuries. The local inhabitants refer to the tomb as Rauzabal, meaning “The Honoured Tomb”.

Companions of the Holy Prophet Agreed on the death of Jesus

It is said that for 1400 years nobody but we could spot the truth about the death of Jesus. All the doctors and teachers of Islam remained ignorant of it. The suggestion is that the consensus of early Muslims does not favour the view which we teach on the subject. But those, who indulge in this sarcasm, forget that the first exponents of Islam are the Companions of the Holy Prophet. The Companions first expounded the beliefs and practices of Islam to others. Then these others became the teachers of Islam, spreading to parts of the world. Now, as far as the Companions are concerned, they are at one in teaching what we think today about Jesus. And could they have taught anything else? Could they have taught a belief derogatory to the Holy Prophet? Not only are the Companions at one with us; but the first formal affirmation on which the Companions of the Holy Prophet collectively resolved themselves was the truth of the death of Jesus.

The first Ijma of the Companions set its seal on his death. For, in the recorded Traditions we find that when the Holy Prophet died, the Companions became stupefied with grief. They could not move. Nor utter a word. Some were so deeply affected that they died a few days later, unable to bear the pangs of separation. Omar, of all persons, was so afflicted by grief that he made up his mind not to believe the Prophet had died. He unsheathed his sword and declared that whoever said the Prophet was dead would lose his head. He began to say the Holy Prophet had disappeared temporarily from their midst, even as Moses had disappeared on a Call from God. Moses returned to his people after forty days, so would the Holy Prophet. On return, the Holy Prophet would hold to account all those who had said unworthy things about him and had behaved hypocritically towards him. He would even put them to death or order their crucifixion. Omar was solemn and determined. None of the Companions dared to resist and deny what he said. Some were even persuaded by Omar’s declaration. They began to think, the Prophet had not died. Because of this, their dejection changed to delight. The signs of it were on their faces. Those, who had their heads bowed with grief, who could also see far into the future, sent out one of them to fetch Abu Bakr. Abu Bakr was not in Medina when the Holy Prophet died. The Holy Prophet had permitted him to go, because his condition seemed to have improved. This Companion had hardly left the town when he saw Abu Bakr coming. On seeing Abu Bakr, the Companion could not contain himself. Tears rolled down. No word was necessary. Abu Bakr understood what had happened. He asked the Companion,

“Has the Prophet died?”

In reply, the Companion not only confirmed the sad news but also told Abu Bakr what Omar had been saying that `whoever should say the Prophet had died would lose his head!’ Abu Bakr heard this and at once made for the place where the Holy Prophet’s dead body lay. He lifted the mantle from over him and knew at once that he had died. The pain of separation from his beloved friend and leader made his eyes wet. He bent low and kissed the Prophet’s forehead and said:

“By God, you will not suffer more than one death. The loss mankind have suffered by your death is greater than the loss they have suffered by the death of any other prophet. You need no praises, and mourning cannot reduce the pangs of separation. If we could but avert your end, we would have done so, with our lives.”

Abu Bakr said this, and covered the Prophet’s face; then went to the spot where Omar was speaking to the Companions. Omar, of course, was telling them that the Prophet had not died; but had only disappeared temporarily. Abu Bakr asked Omar to stop for a time and let him speak to the assembly. Omar did not stop but went on. Abu Bakr turned to some of the Companions and started telling them, the Holy Prophet had really died. Other Companions turned to Abu Bakr and began to listen to him. Omar also was compelled to listen. Abu Bakr recited from the Holy Quran:

“The Holy Prophet was but a prophet. There had been prophets before him and they had all died. If he also should die or be put to death, would they turn back upon him?” (Al-Imran: 145)

“Thou (O Muhammad) are surely going to die and they surely are going to die.” (Al-Zumar: 31)

“O ye men, whoever amongst you worshipped Muhammad, let him know that Muhammad is dead, and whoever amongst you worshipped Allah, let him know that Allah is Living, there is no death for Him.” (Bukhari, Volume 2, Chapter Manaqibe Abu Bakr)

When Abu Bakr recited the verses of the Holy Quran and pointed to their meaning, the Companions realised what had happened. The Prophet had died. They began to cry. Omar is reported to have said that when Abu Bakr recited the verses out of the Holy Quran, and when their meaning suddenly dawned upon him, it seemed as though the verses had been revealed on that day, at that moment. His legs could no longer support him. He staggered and fell down in a paroxysm of grief.

This account of what passed between the Companions at the Holy Prophet’s death proves three important things:

Firstly, it proves that the first formal and collective expression of opinion upon which the Companions resolved after the death of the Holy Prophet was that all prophets before the Holy Prophet had died. There was no exception. If the Companions present on this solemn occasion thought that some earlier prophets had not died, they would have stood up and pointed to the exceptions. They could have said that at least Jesus had been alive in Heaven for 600 years. It was wrong to say that all the earlier prophets had died. If some could remain alive, why not the Holy Prophet?

Secondly, it proves that the belief of the Companions that the earlier prophets had died was not a matter of opinion with the Companions. It was a truth recorded in the Holy Quran and taught clearly by the Holy Book. When Abu Bakr recited the verses, the Companions received them without demur. If the truth of the death of the earlier prophets was not contained in these verses, they could have said that, although the earlier prophets had really died, the verses recited by Abu Bakr were not relevant. The fact, therefore, that Abu Bakr recited the verse, “And there had been (other) prophets before him,” to prove the death of earlier prophets, and the fact that the Companions, who heard this verse and heard Abu Bakr’s argument based upon the verse, not only remained silent but began to rejoice over it and went about the town reciting it, proved beyond doubt that the Companions agreed entirely with Abu Bakr’s interpretation of the verse.

Thirdly, it proves that whether or not the Companions believed in the death of other prophets, they had no idea at all that Jesus was alive in Heaven. All accounts of this important incident and the important speeches made on the occasion show that even Omar, in the height of excitement, threatening to kill those who should say that Prophet had died, could cite the analogy only of Moses who disappeared for forty days from amongst his people. Even Omar did not cite the analogy of Jesus. If the Companions had any idea whatever that Jesus was alive in heaven, could not Omar, or the Companions who thought like him, have cited the analogy of Jesus? The fact that they cited only the analogy of Moses proves that they had not the slightest idea that Jesus had not died, or that he had even had an experience similar to that of Moses.

I dont understand that Prophet (PBUH) is an example for whole mankind. He prayed for the people of Taif when they were throwing stone on Him (PBUH) and made him bleed. He forgave the kaifar-e-Makkah, then why does the Mullah and so called “Alim” are asking people to kill others. Where is sunnah now, why these so called “Alims” are forcing innocent people to kill humans on the name of Almighty Allah and his beloved prophet Mohammad (PBUH). I live in Canada and see Muslims here converting into Christains and Atheists. The Christain missionaries are preaching peace of Jesus everywhere and our Mullahs preaching hatred, killing. Don’t you think that what “Suleman Rushide” pointed was these “Satanic” people (Mullahs)who have hijacked the religion ISLAM. There are some pack of people who are exploiting the peaceful religion which teaches “Masawat” equality, justice and peace. These Mullahs are brainwashing the innocent Muslims with their satanic agenda which says to kill the people. This is not ISLAM speaking its “SATAN”. Because no religion preaches hatred except “SATANIC” and ISLAM is no SATANIC. Y’all people use your mind and logic that ALLAH has given you not these MULLAHS who are using us for their own benefits, like getting money from “SALAFIS” Saudis and other radical sects. IF you think that saudis are the MUSLIMS then go and see there way of living. They are living in a kingdom which is prohibited in ISLAM, as ISLAM makes ALLAH the supreme power and KALIFA as a man of ALLAH that is answerable to the people as Hazrat Omer Bin Khitab to his people and other Caliphs. My advise listen to ALLAH and read Holy QURAN, and you will find the TRUTH

Thats good that someone take action. I was thinking about his bloody persons from two years but today i appriciate to take an action against him. We should spread this to every one at least to each muslim.

http://www.pkcolumns.com/2008/09/10/amir-liaqat-ka-asli-chehra/

This is what Amir Liaqat said about Sahaba:

http://www.pkcolumns.com/columns/videos/amir1.rm

Dear Qadiani Brothers: First of all, the basis of your ‘religion’ depends upon you proving that Jesus (PBUH) is dead, which is unfortunately, never considered by any Muslim to be a part of Faith (Imaan). And if by any chance someone is lured to believe that, the utter confusion and filty language used by Mirza Qadiani in all of his books spills the beans. I pray to Allah to give all the Qadiani brothers the resolve to read the books of Mirza Qadiani on their own websites and take a look at the language their ‘promised massiah’ is using and diagonally opposite views he is giving and see the light of the day. Ameen.

Though I dont like Aamir Liaquat Hussain but this time whatever he said is truth and I totally agree with him.

The following was written by Kalifa II of Ahamdis and also the PROMISED Refromer OF ISLAM and son of the Promised Messiah and also his Promised Son:

Pages 59 onwards 62

If I have misquoted this great man or quoted out of context the reader may decide.
I have had enough of accusations from Saqib and Bilal about quoting out of context, here is the original.
Let’s see who is a LIAR AND FABRICATOR ME OR KHALIFAS OF AHMADIYYAT!!!!!

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Truth-about-the-Split.pdf

“As for the question of Kufr (unbelief) of non-
Ahmadi Muslims, my belief is that Kufr really arises
from a denial of God. Hence, whenever there comes
any revelation from God of such a nature that its
acceptance is obligatory on every man, a rejection of
the same leads to Kufr. Belief in such a revelation,
however, presupposes belief in the bearer of the
revelation. Hence it follows that a belief in the bearer

of such revelation is a necessary part of one’s faith.
The man who rejects a Prophet thus necessarily
becomes a kafir, not because he denies the truth of
any particular Prophet X or Y, but such denial will
necessarily lead him to reject a revelation of God. To
me, the Kufr which arises from the denial of any Nabi
has its basis in this principle and not in any personal
quality of the Nabi. And inasmuch as the revelation of
which the acceptance is obligatory on mankind comes
only through Prophets, it is the rejection of such
recipients of Divine revelation, and not of others that
leads to unbelief. Now, as we hold that the revelation
which came to the Promised Messiahas are such that
their acceptance is obligatory on mankind in general,
to us, the man who rejects the Promised Messiahas is a
kafir agreeably to the teachings of the Holy Quran,
although he may well be a believer in all the other
truths of religion because the presence even of one of
the necessary conditions of Kufr is sufficient to make
a man kafir. I may however add that in my opinion
Kufr arises from a denial of one or more of the
fundamental articles of religion, not because such a
denial makes a man the object of unending
punishment, but because the denial makes him guilty
of rebellion against God and leads to the extinction of
his spiritual life. Now, as Islam bases its judgments
Truth about the Split 61
upon what is patent and not upon what is possible, it
cannot but class as kafir such as fail to accept any of
the Prophets, even though such failure may be due to
their want of information concerning him. In the latter
case, they will not, of course, be the objects of Divine
punishment. The denial would be due to causes
altogether beyond their control. It is in accordance
with the same principle that Muslims have so long
with one accord designated as kuffar all those who
have not accepted the faith of Islam, without taking
into consideration the question whether or not such
failure is occasioned by want of adequate information
concerning the Holy Prophetsa. And the doctor is yet
to be born who will class in the category of Muslims
the Esquimaux of the North Pole, the Red Indians of
America, the Hottentots of Africa or the Maoris of
Australia, or those millions of Christians, who living
in central Europe or in other out of the way places
have not yet heard anything regarding the teachings of
the Holy Prophetsa.”

@Bilal

It is an old mirzai tactic to start discussing something else to divert the discussion. I again put below the passage from which I conclude that Mirza Sb says it is difficult for pious Ahmadis to differentiate between having intercourse with their wife and between loving Allah:

Uss Jahan mein jau ek shaks apni biwi sey muhabbat aur ikhtlaat karey gaa woh iss baat mein faraq nahin kar sakey ga keh woh apni bivi sey muhabbat aur ikhtilaat karta hey ya muhabbat-e-Ilahia key darya-e bey payan mein gharq hey aur waslaan-e-Hazrat Izzat per issi jahaan mein yeh kaifiat taari ho jaati hey.

This is translated as below:

” in the afterworld a person who would love and have intercourse with his wife will be unable to differentiate if he made love to his wife or if he was indulged into immense love of God. And those who get in contact with Almighty, experience the same feeling even in this world”

I once again invite all Ahmadis and Muslims to read this passage and then look at the “NO” of Mr Bilal and say together Laanat Allahe Alal Kazibeen.

@Haris Zuberi,

1. I am still not clear what YOUR belief is in regards to Jesus (AS)? Is he dead or alive? I need a clear answer in this regard. You have again chosen to paste material from a website to show what your belief is in regards to Jesus, but that link only says that they are not sure if he is alive or dead. So are YOU also not sure if he is dead or alive. Make it clear. You might say in an effort to shy away from this topic that this is not one of the articles of faith in Islam. My response to such statement is that this is an important issue from which many other important issues of Islamic faith are stemmed. So what exactly is your belief in regards to Jesus (AS) death. If you are not sure, then you don’t have any justification or right to claim Ahmadis as non-Muslims who are sure of their faith. If you can’t discuss this issue of Jesus (AS) apparent ascension then you better stop boasting about your faith and stop playing god here and calling Ahmadis as non-Muslims.

2. You again copy pasted a passage from the writings of Hadhrat Mirza Bashir-ud-Din, the second caliph of the Promised Messiah (AS) for a reason that is beyond my comprehension. It seems from your posts that you do these actions without any prior research from the Holy Quran. You just copy things from anti-Ahmadiyya websites and paste them here without realising the consequences of your actions later.

NSo in regards to the same passage you have quoted as “non-sense”, I would ask you a simple question and see if you are able to answer that in a civilised and a mature way.

Question. What is the verdict of Quran on someone who rejects a true prophet of God? I need the verdict of Quran on the issue and not a verdict given by an illiterate Mullah on the subject.

3. Once again your allegation that Promised Messiah (AS) used desreptful language against Jesus (AS) is baseless and I have already given the link that clears this LIE, DECEIT and FRAUD perpetrated by the arrogant anti-Ahmadiyya brigade. So don’t change the topic and answer this question.

QUESTION: If someone rejects a true prophet of God as you are claiming regarding Shias that they reject Jesus (AS), what is the verdict of Quran regarding such people? Are they considered to be Muslims or Kafir according to Quran? You say they are not considered to be non-Muslims even after rejecting Jesus (AS) as Messiah, so whose verdict is that? Quran’s or that of Mullahs’?

I need clear and civilised answers from you this time. I hope you will be able to use your own mind this time and do some research from the Holy Quran rather than an anti-Ahmadiyya website. So answer me straight. We will resolve the issues one by one. Okay!!!

Bilal

@Newobserver,

Once again I see you shying away from answering any counter questions that I pose to you in response to your filthy, arrogant, and dishonest posts. When you post things out of context and try to give a wrong understanding of what they truly mean, then you should be ready to answer the questions that are posed to you in the same way. So I will try again one more time and paste my earlier response to you and hope that you will be man enough to answer them in the same way you want answers from me ie. in YES or NO.

I read the writings of the Promised Messiah with pure, unprejudiced, honest and open heart. When I read his writings with in the context, I find nothing but pearls of wisdom. I showed you earlier how tactfully you ignored to pointout earlier that the passages were explaining the verses of the Holy Quran. You still seem to redicule and refuse to acknowledge openly that the way Promised Messiah (AS) has explained those verses from the Chapter Al-Momiminoon are unparallel.

Your three questions show your total lack of understanding of the passages or your total refusal to understand them. I however understand them and understand the philosophy behind those words. You seem to take everything from the writings of the Promsised Messiah on their face value and refuse to understand the wisdom behind them. So using your same mentality, let me ask you to answer me in yes/no to these questions regarding Quranic verses in the same way you have posed questions in regards to the writings of Promised Messiah (AS):

1. Did Allah say in the Holy Quran that He turned those who were cursed into apes and swine? YES/NO

2. Does Quran say Noah was 950 years old? YES/NO

3. Does Quran say your wives are your “tilth”? YES/NO

4. Does Quran say that man is created from clay? YES/NO

5. Does Quran say that we will have rivers of wine in heaven? YES/NO

I am sure now you will try to UNDERSTAND these verses (I hope, if you don’t interpret Quran like some of the illiterate Mullah) and you wouldn’t just take them on face value. To me all these verses make perfect sense because I am not dishonest when reading these verses.

If the answer to any of the above questions is yes, then you must redicule these verses of the Holy Quran in the same way you want to redicule the writings of the Promised Messiah (AS). You must refuse to UNDERSTAND the verses in the same way as you do when you read the writings of Promised Messiah (AS). Waiting for your rational and calm response.

Bilal

any answer to my question!

is it permitted in your religion to have sex with a woman prisoner of war?

only say YES or NO, pls

Hello,

I don’t understand why you ppl saying against Amir, I am not his fan too but wrong he has said here…. nothing. Just narating the constitution; just telling the reality of khatam-e-naboowat.

@Christopher is it permitted in YOUR religion to do what they did to Dr Aafia Sidique at Bagram Base Detention Center?

@Christopher,

I don’t know how exactly is your question related to the thread under discussion. Anyway, as far as my study of Holy Quran goes, any sexual relationship outside marriage is forbidden in Islam. If you have any particular verse of the Holy Quran that apparently permit sex outside marriage then please let me know. I will have a look at that.

Bilal

let me give u all a simple history lesson,,Ahmadis are followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.the Ahmadiyyahs split into two sects, the Qadianis and the Lahorites. The Qadianis claimed that Ghulam was a prophet, and accused all muslims who did not accept him, as being kuffar (non-muslims),
evrybody pick up the koran and u will find the teachings of Allah talla and oneness of God and prophet Muhammed (saw) is the last and final messenager of Allah (swt).

Islam is the Religion of Peace.ISLAM never teaches Hatred.No True Muslims Hate any one nor Ahamadiyya people.The ahamadies are not muslims, they are propogating islam in the wrong way that is what the matter of concern is. We want them to accept the truth that Muhammad (Pbuh) is the final messenger of Almighty ALLAH.But they do not Accept the truth.
I Hope Almighty AllAH will give Ahamadiyya people Hidaya & make them follow the true Religion, in its true way

@fareeha,

Ahmadi Muslims consider Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as the last law bearing prophet and Quran as the last Book of guidence. As far as the possibility of a subordinate prophet of the Holy Prophet is concerned, Quran doesn’t deny any such possibility. On the contrary, Quran gives the example of people the past who kept same belief regarding the Finality of prophethood as you and your fellow non-Ahmadi Muslims hold. Quran reminds us of such people in the following words:

And Joseph did come to you before with clear proofs, but you ceased not to be in doubt concerning that with which he came to you till, when he died, you said: ‘ALLAH WILL NEVER RAISE UP MESSENGER AFTER HIM.’ Thus does Allah adjudge as lost those who TRANSGRESS, (and) are DOUBTERS. (Al Quran: 40:34/35)

So the reason why we don’t want to follow your interpretation is that we don’t want to be declared as transgressors in the eyes of God. Think about it.

Secondly, how would you interpret the following verse of Holy Quran where Allah Almighty makes it clear that the true obedient servants of God and Holy Prophet (PBUH) would be bestowed the honours in the form of even Prophethood by Allah Almighty:

AND WHOSO OBEYS ALLAH AND THIS MESSENGER SHALL BE AMONG THOSE ON WHOM ALLAH HAS BESTOWED HIS BLESSINGS, NAMELY: THE PROPHETS, THE TRUTHFUL, THE MARTYRS AND THE RIGHTEOUS, AND EXCELLENT COMPANIONS ARE THESE. (Al Quran 4:69/70)

If you can answer this question rationally and logically then you have the right to call others towards your interpretation of Holy Quran. If you can’t then not only you have to stop playing God on earth, you will have to consider Ahmadiyya interpretation of Holy Quran very seriously and even consider accepting the truth (that will only be possible if you have the righteousness and honesty to accept and acknowledge the truth in a dignified manner)

Bilal

Bilal
You must either have the reading comprehension age of a 5 year old or you are a bigger liar than Mirza Mahmood Ahmad and his father put together.
I have never said that Shias reject Jesus as pbuh and nor would I ever suggest such a thing.
If you are trying to sow sectarian strife among Muslims then you will FAIL.
I NEVER COPIED AND PASTED FROM ANTI AHMADIYYA SITES.
I GAVE A QUOTE AND A LINK TO THE ORIGINAL SOURCE ON THE ALISLAM WEBSITE.
IT IS YOU THAT IS MAKING DISHONEST STATEMENTS.
HOW MUCH MORE ORIGINAL CAN YOU GET THAN THAT.
If I have quoted out of context then the reader is free to read 10 pages prior and after the quote I have made in order to determine if I am quoting out of context, but I can assure I know when this book was written and for what purpose. So LIE all you like.

As regards to your question about the denial of PROPHETHOOD. Yes the deniar of a Prophet is A KAFFIR.
HOWEVER your sect claims that what they mean by KAFFIR IS KAFFIR in the 4 WALLS OF ISLAM.
MY EXTRACT PROVES THAT THIS CLAIM IS A LIE.
ALSO BILAL, a question for you.
If someone claims to prophet and he is rejected among muslims, then what is the status of this individual and his followers w.r.t to those muslims that rejected him.
The answer is that they are fabricators and outside the PALE OF ISLAM. Hence the ruling by the PAKISTANI government was for once correct.

@Harris and Bilal,

Do you know what a KAAFIR means? In Arabic, a KAAFIR does not mean a NON-MUSLIM, it only means a REJECTIONIST, someone who has rejected something.

Can you both, clarify what do you mean when you call each other as KAAFIR. I clarify…

Bilal, do you mean that those you rejected your prophet are outside the scope of Islam or that they are KAAFIR in the sense that they did not accept your prophet.

Haris, do you mean that Ahmedis are outside the scope of Islam or that they are KAAFIR in the sense that they reject finality of the prophethood of the Holy Prophet?

If either of you means that the other is outside the ambit of Islam, can you please let us all know who on this earth has given you the right to decide about these matters?

Janaab Aamir Sahab.
Ager ahmedies vajubal qatal hain,  to yeh (Maulana hazraat)  jin per Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w) nay laanat dali hay ye tu vajbul afaat hain. Inn per Allah ke Aafatain hoon gee. Jis tarah Zia Ul Haq aik Ibrat Naaq Muat Mara tha , Jis tarah aik saal pehlay zalzalay nay buhat say injaisay bhatkay huay logoon ko lukma ajal bana dala woo zalzala  aath(8) ahmediyoon kay qatal kee vajah say aaya tha. aur ab ager tum aik ahmadi ko Qatal karo gay to Allah aik hazaar ahmadies peda ker day gaa, Ager tum aik ahmadi ko Qatal karo gay to Allah tum jaisay hazaaroon ko zalzaloon say, aasmaanee aafatoon say tumaray tukray tukray kerday gaa . Azmaloo. Allah hamaisha hamaray saat hay aur is waqat bhee hamare ta’aeed may hay.
      Hamrah Imaan  hay kay Hazarat Muhammad(s.a.w.) Khatim ul Ambia hain.  Aur Hazrat Masih Maud ( Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani ) shachay Ashiq- k- Rasool hain. Aur Imam –Medhdi hain jis key paish goee Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w) nay apnee Ahadess may key hay .    
 
 Hamrah Imaan hay k Allah Aik Hay , Is Kay siwah Koyee Ibaadat Kay Laik Nahee , Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w.) Allah kay Rasool Hain.
 
          Inn Mulanaas Key kia majaal kay Islam ko aapnay haat may layker kisis ko kafar kahain . Ager yeh Shachey hain  dekaadain 1973 kay Isambly ke karvaayee jis may Ahmadiyon ko fatah hoyee thee mager Shah faisal kay kahnay per Zulifqar Ali Bhutto sahib nay Jamaat –e- Ahmadia koo Islam say Kharij Ker diya thaa. Aur Bhutto sahib , Imam Mehdi kay teesray Khalifa Hazrat Mirza Nasir Saheb kay samnay jaker mafee mangtay huay kehta hay “Mirza Sahib Main apnay dono Haat katwa chukka hoo” tu pir kia hua Bhutto sahib kay saat woo sab jantain hain Is kay baad Aik neya KALMA inn mulanoon nay banaya   ”Allah Aik Hay , Is Kay siwah Koyee Ibaadat Kay Laik Nahee ,Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w.) Allah kay Rasool Hain aur aap kay baad aanay wala koee bhee nabee ya Imam mehdi jhuta hay”  yea naya kalma jo kay hamaray Pakistan kay Constitution may shamil hay jis kee khaber Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w.) ko nahee hay.Yeh kalma per ker Insaan Islam may dakhil hoga.
Rasool Allah nay Quran main jaga jaga nahaq qatal mana fer maya hai. Yeh sab aap jantain hain.
 
Quote from hadees
Aik dafa Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W), nay  aik sahabi ko lushker ka sapa salaar bana ker bhaija us jang main may jab wo aik adami ko qatal kernay lagay tu us adami nay KALMA perlia lekin phir bhee un sahabi nay us adami ka qatal qerdia.  Jab yea khaber Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w) ko pmilee .tu aap itnay khafa huay kay un sahabee ka kehna tha kay may dua magta raha kay aap khamosh ho jayain.
Tu kia yeh Maulanaaz dilon kay bhaid janhtain hain  yeh tu phir Khudayi  ka  dawaa huwa.
Yeh maulanaaz khada kay aur Rasool ullah kay dhutkaaray huan  hain  in per aab Allah ke laanat  pertee raha gee .

Allah Hafiz

Brother Bilal On your second quotation:
AND WHOSO OBEYS ALLAH AND THIS MESSENGER SHALL BE AMONG THOSE ON WHOM ALLAH HAS BESTOWED HIS BLESSINGS, NAMELY: THE PROPHETS, THE TRUTHFUL, THE MARTYRS AND THE RIGHTEOUS, AND EXCELLENT COMPANIONS ARE THESE. (Al Quran 4:69/70)

I am not sure of the source of this translation however a quick bout of googling quickly led me to the following alternative translation which was:

And whoever follows God and the Messenger is with those on whom God has bestowed blessings from amongst the prophets, the siddiqeen, the shuhadah and the righteous; they are the best company. (Quran 4:69)

For the information of readers I found the above at the following link:

http://www.omeriqbal.com/a/43

Now as you can no doubt see the translation of the verse that I accept does not imply that prophets come after the holy prophet.
Infact the author in the link that have supplied does a wonderful job debunking brother Bilal’s claims and that is amply good for me.