Dr. Aamir Liaquat Hussain a famous religious host of a show called Aalim Online which airs frequently on Geo TV has entered some hot waters in the past few days. It is believed that his comments on the show may have incited Muslims to target and kill followers of the Ahmedi sect. Dr. Aamir has been running this show for the past many years and has developed a strong following catapulting him to fame to the extent that many Pakistanis swear by his religious commentary on TV, and remains a highly sought after show specially during the month of Ramadan.
Historically Dr. Aamir Liaquat Hussain has had his taste of controversy which started of from his fake degrees where this blogger had labeled him as Jahil Online back in 2005, he was then associated with MQM for a few years and ultimately had a falling out with the party over a controversial comment he made on TV condemning the British author Salman Rushdie, saying that Salman Rushdie should be killed for blaspheming the Holy Prophet (PBUH) in his book, Satanic Verses, after making this comment Mr. Online refused to retract his statement despite immense pressure from the top London based MQM leadership which ultimately lead to his dismissal and soon he also resigned from his Ministry
Asian Human Rights Watch reports that on 7th September in his program ‘Aalim Online’ the anchor declared the murder of Ahmadi sect members to be necessary (Wajib ul Qatal) according to Islamic teachings, because its followers don’t believe in the last prophet, Mohammad, peace be upon him.
Dr. Amir repeated his instruction several times, urging fundamentalists Muslims to kill without fear. While on air the anchor person also pressured the other two Islamic scholars (from two different sects) on the program to support the statement. This resulted in a unanimous decision among the scholars, on air during a popular television show, to urge lynching with the intent to kill.
This was not a one-off. On September 9, Mr. Hussain answered a query with the comment that blasphemers are liable to be put to death.
According to the information received, at 1:15pm on September 8, 18 hours after the broadcast, six persons entered the Fazle Umer Clinic, a two-story hospital at Mirpurkhas city and two of them went to the second floor and started pressuring 45 year-old Dr. Abdul Manan Siddiqui to come downstairs to attend to a patient in crisis. Dr. Manan left his office and descended into an ambush. He was shot 11 times and died on the spot. His private guard was also shot and is in a serious condition. A woman was also injured by firing. The killers remained at the hospital until the doctor was declared dead, then they walked out of the building’s front entrance. Police registered the killers as unknown.
On September 9, 48 hours after the broadcast, Mr. Yousaf, a 75 year-old rice trader and district chief of the Ahmadi sect was killed on his way to prayer in Nawab Shah, Sindh province. Yousaf was fired on from people on motor bikes, and sustained three bullet wounds. He died on the way to the hospital. The assailants had taken a route past a police station. No one was arrested.
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664 responses to “Aalim Online – Inciting murder against Ahmedi’s”
My Brother Tals, you wrote: “A question aroused in my mind dear brother that who translated those writings in English ? or a more precise question should be from where those translations appeared on Ahmadibeliefs ? According to my knowledge Roohani Khazain was not yet translated in English (Officially by Ahmadis) then from where did you took those translations, seems to me its translated by someone other then us, then why should we explain that ? Ask the person who translated it.”
My brother, I am a native Urdu Speaker, what they call Ahl-e-Zuban. I don’t need anyone to translate these ‘beautiful verses’ by Mirza to English to understand them. I have posted the translation so that a wider audience can ‘appreciate’ the writings of Mirza. Now, do you want me to replicate what he said in Roman Urdu so that Urdu speaking people can appreciate your childish objection.
Wake up brother Tals, wake up before its too late. I know its very difficult to go against what your elders have told you to believe, but that is the real test. The writings of Mirza are filled with filthy and confused statements. Why do you even need to go into the discussion of whether he was Issa or the promised messiah or the ummati nabi, My God……….
@Muslim
The argument about translation is not childish at all as it seems to you, a small translation error can have serious impacts on the meaning, I again say that the translation you used is done by some unknown person and not by us Ahmadis so how should I trust it, if its a wrong translation then you are showing wrong impression to other people as well.
Whoever has filth inside his mind will find the same inside the any writing.
Understanding the writings of Promised Messiah and extracting right meanings from them is a difficult thing, May Allah Tallah help you in getting the right meaning, thats all I can pray for you.
Brother the same I can say for you “WAKE UP” before its too late or what can I say its already too late dear. When YOUR Imam-Mahdi will come ? The time of his arrival is already gone so what else you have to say to support your arguments?
@Brother Muslim
regarding that concept of Hazrat Issa (as), how can you think that when Hazrat Mohammed Mustafa (SAW) “The king of all prophets” had a natural death, buried like a normal human being in Makkah (Peace and blessings upon his soul) than how is it possible that Allah Tallah gave such honor to another prophet who is not “The king of all prophets” (Hazrat Issa {as}) that He (Allah Tallah) raised him bodily to heaven and there He kept him alive and will grant him another chance to descent on earth and talk to the people of this world.
When Holy Prophet (SAW) lived a single life, when he only came to this world once, when he conveyed the message of Allah once, when he has only one title (Shrai Nabi),
than
how is it possible that Hazrat Issa (as) will live two lives, will come to this world two times, will convey the message of Allah two times and will get two titles (Shrai Nabi as well as an Ummati Nabi).
No this will not happen, Hazrat Issa (as) died a natural death live every other prophet.
There is still time, open your eyes and see the truth. May Allah Tallah illuminate your path, Ameen.
My dear Tals: Unfortunately I am one of those Muslims who do NOT believe in any Imam Mehdi or Dajjal or any such stories, as they are not mentioned in any of the authentic sources of my religion. So, I am afraid there can be no discussion on that.
Also unfortunately, you are also one of those Qadianis who try to convince others using these complicated concepts and are not willing to discuss the writings of Mirza which are so crystal clear. Generally the other Qadianis try to hide behind the “out of context” veil but you have gotten a step further by trying to hide behind the veil of ‘translation’ too. Brother, what can I do about that if you have tried to close your eyes and ignore the obvious. May Allah be with you………..
first there was a qadiyani and now the pervazi.
yak na shud do shud
@Tals
QUOTE:that the translation you used is done by some unknown person and not by us Ahmadis so how should I trust it, if its a wrong translation then you are showing wrong impression to other people as well.UNQUOTE
Dear Brother,
The translation is as below:
“But it is proven from Quran and Bible that Jews rejected Hazrat Issa alaihis-salam. In reform of humanity Hazrat Issa aliah-i-salam had the poorest performance (lowest number) of all the prophets.”
Since you think the translation is incorrect, please post the correct translation by yourself – that should be very simple.
Once you have done the correction by yourself you will get the same understanding that Mirza Sb said that Hazrat Issa was inferior most of all the prophets and it is based on his Quranic understanding. So please answer the following:
2. Did he meant the same thing that Hazrat Issa is inferior most of all the prophets.
3. If he did not mean so then what actually was his meaning.
4. Please also give a reference from Bible as well as Quran which says that Hazrat Issa was inferior most of all the prophets.
I understand you have read whole of Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya and understood what your Imam Madhi said so answering these simple question would be a piece of cake for you.
O’Allah help us to accept the truth.
@dr_jawwad71
When you have nothing useful to say then why even bother to post.
@Muslim
If you do not believe the concept of IMAM-MAHDI then there is no point in discussing that with you. The concepts of IMAM-MAHDI, Hazrat Issa (AS) and his death, Dajjal are no doubt very confusing topics of ISLAM.
We Ahmadi Muslims claim that IMAM MAHDI already came to this world and guided us all, while Sunni Muslims claim that IMAM MAHDI will come in the form of Hazrat Issa (AS).
Now whether we Ahmadi Muslims hide behind the writings of IMAM MAHDI or Sunni Muslims do not accept him as IMAM MAHDI we at least face what it is written in Quran-e-Kareem and tries to understand it according to our knowledge, while you totally run away from the truth saying that you do not believe in IMAM MAHDI or Dajjal, you totally left that area blank…. Well its your religion, whether right or wrong its your act, who am I ? to argue.
My believe is firm in promised Messiah (Hazrat Ahmad {AS}). May be I cannot convince you as I am just an ordinary human being but sooner or later you will understand as Allah Tallah will reveal this truth.
If promised Messiah (Hazrat Ahmad {AS}) is that much bad according to you (May Allah Tallah Forgive my Tongue) than how his Jammat (Sect: Ahmadiyyat) is running from more than 100 years with millions of believers all over the world and Khilafat established among us, there is no other Jammat no other sect among whom Khilafat is present. The believers of promised Messiah (AS) are increasing day by day with the blessings of Allah. Even some Arab brothers of middle east saw the truth and embraced the real ISLAM Ahmadiyyat. We didn’t forced them to join us, they studied Ahmadiyyat themselves and then accepted the truth.
These signs are cleary shown to you by Allah Tallah but if you still ignore them than how can I open your eyes. You will learn it yourself some day.
May the blessings of Allah Tallah be upon you my brother. Take care.
We gave Musa the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers; We gave ‘Isa, the son of Maryam, Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a Messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride? Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay! (AL BAQARAH -87)
Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Ibrahim, Isma’il, Ishaq, Ya’qub, and the Tribes, and that given to Musa and ‘Isa, and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord: we make no difference between one and another of them: and we bow to Allah (in Islam).”
(AL BAQARAH -136)
Behold! the angels said: “O Maryam! Allah giveth Thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Al-Masih ‘Isa. The son of Maryam, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;
“He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous.”
Behold! Allah said: “O ‘Isa! I will take thee and raise thee to myself and clear thee (of the falsehood) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject Faith, to the Day of Resurrection: then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute. (AL E IMRAN -45/46)
Behold! Allah said: “O ‘Isa! I will take thee and raise thee to myself and clear thee (of the falsehood) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject Faith, to the Day of Resurrection: then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
(AL E IMRAN -55)
O People of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Al-Masih ‘Isa the son of Maryam was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God: glory be to Him: (far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
(AL NISA -171)
And in their footsteps We sent ‘Isa the son of Maryam, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.
(AL MAIDAH -46)
Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of Dawud and of ‘Isa, the son of Maryam, because they disobeyed and persisted in Excesses.
(AL MAIDAH -78)
Then will Allah say: “O ‘Isa the son of Maryam! recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel. And behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it, and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the Clear Signs, and the Unbelievers among them said: `This is nothing but evident magic.’
(AL MAIDAH -110)
And Zakariya and Yahya, and ‘Isa and Elyas: all in the ranks of the Righteous:
(AL ANAM -85)
But she pointed to the babe. They said: “How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?”
He said: “I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
“And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live:
(MARYAM – 29 TO 33)
And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a Sign for all peoples.
(AL ANBIYA -91)
He was no more than a servant: We granted Our favour to him, and We made him an example to the Children of Israel
And if it were Our Will, We could make angels from amongst you, succeeding each other on the earth.
And (‘Isa) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.
(AZ ZUKHRUF -59 TO 61)
And remember, ‘Isa, the son of Maryam, said: “O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.” But when he came to them with Clear Signs they said, “This is evident sorcery!”
(AS SAFF -06)
O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah: as said ‘Isa, the son of Maryam, to the Disciples, “Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?” Said the Disciples, “We are Allah’s helpers!” Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: but We gave power to those who believed against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.
(AS SAFF -14)
And Maryam, the daughter of ‘Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of his Revelations, and was one of the devout (Servants).
(AT TEHRIM -12)
WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING?
AREN,T WE COMPARING THE HOLLYNESS AND GREATNESS OF
EXALTED PROPHET WITH MENTALLT RETARDED SICK BASTARD?
INA LILLAH HE WA INNA ALEHE RAJEOON
@dr_jawwad71
Watch your tongue so called Musalmaan, your parents and elders didn’t even taught you how to talk, how shameful. Its people like you who disgrace ISLAM all over the world.
You have nothing useful to say, in fact you didn’t even answered my questions. What else I can say, you already proved that you are Abu-Jahal of this time.
When will your exalted prophet (Hazrat Issa {AS}) will come ? The Muslims are in bad situation right now, they are being called terrorists all over the world, they are being killed all over the world, in fact they are killing each other. Does your IMAM-MAHDI not watching this situation, how much time will he take to descent ?
The tomb of Jesus (AS) was already discovered in Kashmir. So there is no need to argue on that.
http://www.alislam.org/topics/jesus/
We Ahmadi Muslims are still respected throughout the world because we have followed the teachings of IMAM MAHDI.
So tell me MR. How long you are going to wait for your IMAM MAHDI, the time for his arrival is already gone long. Now you got nothing as argument, you now just abuse us because you know from inside that your theory is going wrong.
” Watch your tongue so called Musalmaan, your parents and elders didn’t even taught you how to talk, how shameful. Its people like you who disgrace ISLAM all over the world”
sorry dear i forgot that ghulam ahmed qadiyani is your prophet and you must be his sahabi or tabaaee?it will be really painful for sahabi to be patient on such a revilement aginst his prophet.
abu jahil is the name given to amr ibn e hisham because of his eristic nature.(not recognising the tuth intentionally)
now tell me who is abu jehel
” When will your exalted prophet (Hazrat Issa {AS}) will come ? The Muslims are in bad situation right now, they are being called terrorists all over the world, they are being killed all over the world, in fact they are killing each other. Does your IMAM-MAHDI not watching this situation, how much time will he take to descent”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA AT LAST A NON MUSLIM SPOKE.
here is the advice.never loose patience when you are in the middle of thuggee.your elders didn,t tell you that?
“The tomb of Jesus (AS) was already discovered in Kashmir. So there is no need to argue on that”
hahahahahhahahahaa.discovered by whome? …..thugs
“We Ahmadi Muslims are still respected throughout the world because we have followed the teachings of IMAM MAHDI”
tell me tal pal.how can you follow the teaching of a person who till that time is not appeared to you? on the one hand you redicule the idea of coming of hazrat eesa aleh salawat o salam and imam mehdi and on the other hand you were following the teaching of that person.
man you are really pissed out.you are rooky man! here is my next advice learn some thing about thuggee and deception and then you will be able to spread your religion.
first he made himself a ” NABI ” then some followers made him ” WALEE ” and now you made him imam ahmedi.
hahahahahahhahahaa .what a mokery is that?
hey TAL here is the truth, you actually made my day.
hahahahahhahahahahahahaaha
@dr_jawwad71
I won’t argue with you anymore since its useless to argue with a person who’s wisdom is taken by Allah Tallah, and above all Huzur Akram (SAW) also said that a person who argue with a jahil is another jahil.
So I don’t want to become a jahil like you. Our IMAM MAHDI already came to this world and guided us well the teachings of ISLAM.
I wish you luck with your IMAM MAHDI, I hope he will come soon as you are desperately waiting for him, though I fear that his time of arrival is already gone as he is supposed to come at the beginning of 14th century, now you have nothing left to say except posting words of jahiliat like “hahahahaha”, “thugee” and other foolish words.
Its not up to me to spread my religion, it is the religion of Allah Tallah, it will spread by itself.
Take care and may Allah bless you. I am leaving this blog now.
“I am leaving this blog now”
well that,s a relief.after so much “bakwas” you said something useful.
fortunately i read so much about MIRZA GHULAM AHMED QADIYANI and other QADIYANIS.i feel it,ll be stupid for some one to engage in seriou discussion with any qadiyani.
any way i,ll be there where i found any qadiyani.
take care.may ALMIGHTY make you realize the way you heading.
may ALMIGHTY keep all of us from the fire of hell.ameen
@Muslim
Brother I have decided to leave this blog now, as there is no point in arguing on religion here, whoever is true among us will be revealed by Allah Tallah soon enough.
But before going I wanted to thank you for calling me brother all the time during our discussion, it clearly proved that you have not forgotten the basic teachings of ISLAM.
May Allah Tallah always smile upon you, I will remember you in my prayers, take care. Allah Hafiz.
“bas oyeeee”
dr_jawwad71,
Their *messiah* wasted his life, he couldn’t even bring peace to the sub-continent, where as Jesus (Eisa A.S) would bring peace to earth (Insha Allah).
Their *messiah* couldn’t even cure himself and died of dihorea, leave alone bringing dead people to life.
Sunnis should wake up and educate the masses before they corrupt more and more people.
@newobserver
I have’nt studied these comments from any website, infact, i have read the book (Hard Copy) myself and have studied from there, so iam not confused as far as these mis-interpretations are concerned.
I have asked earlier that not need to prove that Ahmadi’s are wrong, prove me that u belong to the RIGHT PATH, if u can prove, otherwise dont try to prove others wrong. It is written in the Holy Quran that all those who dont talk through (Using) Quran are Kafir, and it is mentioned in many instances. Prove to me that all your belives are from Holy Quran. In this way we’ll be proved wrong.
Can u tell me any Quranic Verses:
where it is written that GOD dont speak (WAHI BAND HAI) with Humans ?? as claims by ur so called Ulema.
No prophet will come ever again ???
What will heppend when people be divided into sects, how to identify the correct people??
What is the Meaning of DUROOD SHARIF ??? What we ask GOD in DUROOD SHARIF ???
BRAVO @AFROZ
you are right afroz.no one can disagree with you.i called ghulam ahmed qadiyani “a mentally retarded” person because some of muslim who observed him closely told that if he had to write “curse 1000 time” (hazar bar laanat)he starts writing “laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat
laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat,……and so on till 1000 time.
one of them gave the observation that he use to keep jaggery in one pocket and in the other pocket he keeps pebble for “istanja”. and some time he absent mindedly lick
the stone as jaggery.
he was the nabi of qadiyanis
@Shahzad
My dear brother,
I thought you said you changed your religion to Ahamdiyya and had done it based on logic and wisdom. Then you said the following:
My response was the same as yours when i read those statements.
There was one cristian named Arthum who wrote objectable language for Holy Prophet (PBUH). In reply to those allegations, Mirza sb wrote in the book mentioning multple personalities (Assumptions) of Hazrat Eissa, One on which Muslims believe and the other in Which Christians believe (they claim him Son of God).
Then I gave you a piece of writing from Mirza Sb which categories proves that above is a lie.
Once it is clear to you that Ahmadis lie when they say Mirza Sb blasphemed only Jesus the God and all his blasphemy is form Bible then you should accept the truth.
It is so clear, how come you find 4 irrelevant questions.
The case is very simple Mirza Sb insulted Hazrat Issa aliahis-salam so he is a kafir.
For the sake of argument let us a new prophet can come – even then Mirza Sb cannot be a prophet because he is a Kafir.
I pray to Allah He gives you the courage to accept the truth.
@dr_jawwad71
Have you heard the Hadith which says that the sufficient proof of a person as a liar is the fact that he forwards on the hearsay whithout any investigation!
I wouldn’t think someone would sink that low as you have! See the video as to what Muslims scholars of that time thought about him….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVOMV7vDFck&feature=related
When you take pride is humiliating someone who is regarded as a prophet by a group of people (although you do not agree to them), do you have any right to protest when the cartoons of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) are published by people who do not recognise him a prophet? There is no difference between you and them.
Muslims are being ridiculed everywhere in the world because of the @$$h0l€$ like you. You are just bringing shame to Islam – doob maro agar thora sa imaan bhee baqi hai tou!!!
@newobserver
I have already told u that when i read only the piece of writing, it is misguiding but after studying the complete book it is quite clear to me that people only post these piece of samples that u keep on providing.
When u say Ahmadi’s lie?? It is not ur duty to prove what our beliefs are and what is the meaning of WHat Mirza Sb written. Its our duty. Same is that case when Christian try to explain the meanings of certain verses from Holy Quran. So if we accept your views then u should accept Chritains views. Neither it is the responsibnility of Christians to inform what the meanings of certain verses to Muslims nor its ur responsibility to explain us (Ahmadi’s), it is vice versa.
If u think of my 4 questions are ir-relevant, then its up to you because these are the basic questions and actually u dont know their answers.
you said “For the sake of argument let us a new prophet can come”. It is a belief of all the Muslims and u r saying for the sake of argument, lets accept it. If its ur belief then u must have valid reason for it and if its not ur belief then u must not accept it. But actually u dont know ur beliefs. You want me to leave Ahmadiat and be like other Muslims (like U) who dont know their beliefs are and only know that all others are wrong.
i have asked u earlier prove to me that u belong to the Right Path (According to the teachings of Holy Quran) then i’ll consider your claims. By only critisizing others it is clear that u cant prove yourself to be on the right path.
if u have knowledge and courage, then Prove Me that U are following Right Path, according to the teachings of Holy Quran.
@newobserver
I said that my response was the same as yours when i read those statements out of contexts bu when i got the meaning correct, then i understood that these type of sample pieces can’t be taken seriously.
@Shahzad
Since you read the book of Mirza Sb completely and now know the full context, please help us also to understand the true beliefs of Ahmadiyya. As we understand from the below passage, Mirza Sb says that Hazrat Issa alaihis-salam was inferior most of all the prophets:
“But it is proven from Quran and Bible that Jews rejected Hazrat Issa alaihis-salam. In reform of humanity Hazrat Issa aliah-i-salam had the poorest performance (lowest number) of all the prophets.”
So Mirza Sb said that Hazrat Issa was inferior most of all the prophets and it is based on his Quranic understanding. Please answer the following:
2. Did he meant the same thing that Hazrat Issa is inferior most of all the prophets.
3. If he did not mean so then what actually was his meaning.
4. Please also give a reference from Bible as well as Quran which says that Hazrat Issa was inferior most of all the prophets.
As you have the whole book in full context, answering these simple questions will be a piece of cake for your. Please answer and help all the people who are reading this forum.
Karachi wala and my brothers.
i dont want to say anything else but i have seen this program when he said we should kill ahmadis. this is not a place to fight about islam, we are talking about a dirty personality over here which is Amir Lyaqat.
he is not only against ahmadis but i will share a YouTube url in which he is saying bad words about Khalifas after Mohammad (PBUH). and Allah knows what is right (bayshak)
you dont know… AAmir Lyaqat had Foliage attack on his tongue (not legs, arms or head) last friday? yes its true.. and only ALLAH can save the name of islam. i hope i dont need to say anything.
agar ham abi bi nahi samajtay to
ALLAH hamain hidayat day … Ameen
@Kashif Jahangiri,
it is a late responce as there was some problem with my subscription.
it is prohibited in islam to attack on any relgious personality of the other religion.if some attack on gotam budh,ram and etc i,ll be first person to say against him.
however i believe answering the deception and forgery is the duty of every muslim speacially if some one does it pretending to be a muslim.
comparing theblasphemy against holly prophet MUHAMMED (PBUH)with any thing against mirza ghulam ahmed qadiyani is like some one say that revilement against bhagwan rajnesh(notorius hindu preacher of sex) is equal to the blasphemy against bhagwan ram of hindumat.
you said that
“Have you heard the Hadith which says that the sufficient proof of a person as a liar is the fact that he forwards on the hearsay whithout any investigation”
you asked for proof and showed resentmant against “abusive language” so here is the proof and decide whose languge is more abusive.
“My enemies are dirty swine and their women are more wretched than bitches.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 14, P. 53; Najmul Huda, P. 10, 53)
“All Muslims regard my books with reverence and care and benefit from their sublime thoughts except those who are the offspring of prostitutes (bastards); God has put a seal upon their hearts and they do not accept me.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 5, Page 547-548; Mirat-o-Kamalat-i-Islam, P. 547;
Aeena-e-Kamalat Islam, P.547-548)
[Mirza Ghulam translated this Arabic word as “Bastard” in
Roohany Khazaen Vol. 11, P. 282)
“The one who has no belief in our ultimate victory is fond of becoming bastard and he is bound to be product of fornication.”
(Roohany Kazaen, Vol. 9, P. 31; Anwar ul Islam, P. 30)
“Are they prepared to swear? No, they’ll never do so because they are liars and are derooting the corpse of falsehood like dogs.”
(Supplement to Anjam-e-Atham, P. 25; Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 309)
His eulogy about Maulvi Saadullah Ludhianwi was:
“I look a sinful man among debauched who is more scoundrel and an execrated being like Satan… He who is called Saadullah by the ignorant is slanderer, wicked and a falsifier… You injured me, bastard. I won’t be truthful if you won’t have a disgraceful death.”
(Haqiqat-ul Wahi, P. 14-15; Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 734-735)
“If Abdullah Athum is saved from death (as per Mirza’s prophecy) and if all the world say the Christian was correct, then the bastard will not follow the right path.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 32)
“Abdul Haq is not content with our victories. He is itching to become a bastard.”
(Anwar-ul-Islam, P. 30)
“There is nothing more foul than a pig in the world. But the ulema who oppose me are more foul than pigs.”
(Anjam-i-Atham, P. 21)
“You have inflicted pain on me with your foulness. You are not truthful. I pray that you die in shame, you son of a harlot.”
(Anjam-i-Atham, P. 288)
“This bastard of a doctor does not thread the straight path.”
(Anwar-ul-Islam, P. 30)
He called Shaikhul Islam Saanaullah of Amristar:
“O, the son of wind, o traitor…”
(Ijaz-i-Ahmadi, P. 43/77)
The puzzling thing is that he himself wrote:
“I have never abused anyone.”
(Moahiburahman, P. 18)
“He is worst who is abusive, his heart is as filthy as Latrine.”
(Sar-e-Sumain, P. 74)
“Abuses and rebukes are not the acts of a believer and a believer can not be a curser.”
(Azalat-ul-Auham, P. 66)
read it and enjoy the sayings of your holly prophet.
may ALMIGHTY ALLAH keep us away from the fire of hell.
@dr_jawwad71
Without confuysing the matter by going into the details of your latest message, I will refer again to your message dated 13 October 2008.
QUOTE
“because some of muslim who observed him closely told that if he had to write “curse 1000 time” (hazar bar laanat)he starts writing “laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat
laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat,……and so on till 1000 time.
one of them gave the observation that he use to keep jaggery in one pocket and in the other pocket he keeps pebble for “istanja”. and some time he absent mindedly lick
the stone as jaggery.”
UNQUOTE
Do you have any proof in relation to the above or else you agree that you are a LIAR according to the standard set by the Holy Prophet in his Hadith referred to in my message above?
Holy Quran says…
La’anat Ullah e Allal Kaazibeen
I am sure you know that you fall sqarely within the above. No one else is cursing ‘Laánat’ on you but Allah himself.
And I will only say, SHAME ON YOU!
@Kashif Jahangiri
wow! you are the first qadiyani who didn,t denied refrence which i quoted from your religious books.
i must admit that i read about those incidence of ghulam ahmed qadiyani 15 years ago.i even forgot the names of the books.but fortunately we have piles of work here done by ulema e haq specially moulana sana ullah amritsari damat barka to hum so there is less need to prove.because as you know if some one is already convicted for genocide,it is useless and funny to convict him for slapping and abusive language also.
you didn,t say any thing about the abusive language of your holly prophet……….ok!here is some more examples of lie and deception about HAZRAT EISA ALEH HE SALAT O SALAM and his tomb in kashmir
The claims of qadianis that prophet jesus (pbuh) didn,t died at cross rather he migrated to Kashmir where he married a women maryan who bore him children and prophet jesus(pbuh) died at the age of 120.he was buried in mohalla kan yar district of sri nagar (famous as roza bal).these claim are so ridiculous that even mirza ghulam ahmed qadiani couldn,t show the seriousness in his claim.followin are the examples
(GRAVE OF JESUS IS IN AL KHALEELI)
In azala e auham written in 1891 he invented the theory that prophet jesus (pbuh) was not taken physically to heavens but he was taken down from the cross, went to AL KHALILI died and buried there .he writes:
“ this is the true that masih went to his native place, and
died there ,but it was not
true that the same body which was buried ,became alive
again…..verse 3chapter 1 of ACTS is a testimony about
the natural death of jesus in AL KHALEELI. After his
death masih was only visible to his students for 40 days”
(AZALA E AUHAM / ROOHANI KHAZAIN
VOL:3 – P:353-354 )
(GRAVE OF JESUS IS IN QUDS)
In 1894 mirza ghulam ahmed qadiyani twisted the
same story.he wrotes in Atmam e Hujjat(roohani
khazain vol 8) he wrote:
“ this has to be admitted that Hazrat EISA is
also dead and interestingly enough
The grave of Hazrat EISA is also in Syria
and for further clarity,in the
footnote I included the letter of molvi
mohd al saeedi trablisi. he is the
resident of Tripoli, in the country of
syria and in his area there is a grave of
Hazrat EISA .if you say that the grave is
a fake, then you must provide the
Proof of this fake, and prove that when
this fraud took place .and in this
event We will not be sure about the graves
of any prophet and trust will be lost,and
we will have to say that all those burial
places are fake.
(Atmam e hujjat p:18-19 / roohani
khazain vol 8 p:296-297, 1894)
(GRAVE IN KASHMIR)
After 8 yrs once again mirza ghulam ahmed
qadiyani twisted the same story and
Now he start claimin that grave is in Kashmir.
“ it is proved with certainity that iesa
migrated to Kashmir. After this Allah
liberated him with his blessing and
he kept on living there for a long
time until he died and was included
among the dead. And his burial place
is still in the city of sri nagar .
(Al huda ,12 june 1902,page 109)
I hope you shall answer the question that what mr ghulam ahmed wanted to say which site is the proclaimed burial site of prophet jesus(pbuh)?
may ALLAH keep us away from fire of the hell.
Amir liquat jaisa jhoota kazaab aadmi duniyaa main nahi hoga main Ahmadhi hoon n m proud on myself…because hum yeh nahi kehtay k hazarat MUHAMMAD (S.A.W) k baad koie nabi ayaa hai….balqay hum yeh kehtay hain k yeh AESA laut kar ayaa hai jo non ahmadis ka abhi tak nahi ayaa…abb amir liauat ka haal dekhoo uss ki zuban par pralysis ka attack huaa hai jis zuban say iss nay bakwas ki thi aur yeh baat media bhi chupaa raha hai
bura haal toh muslims ka ho hee chuka hai magar in ko ab bhi sharam nahi aatee….amir liauqar ko chahyee tauba kar lay abhi bhi ….aur apni zubaan say hamaray baray main baat na kia karaay kiun baat yeh hum say karay ga magar jawab Allah iss ko day ga hum nahi….yeh sab kon hotay hain hamaien non muslim kehnay walay apni halat dekhii hai in sab nay eik dosray k saath lar mar rahay hain
@ujala
can,t a qadiyani speak the truth for the change?
lies , deception and forgery!can,t you ppl do other
than that?
you said that:
hum yeh nahi kehtay k hazarat MUHAMMAD (S.A.W) k baad koie nabi ayaa hai….balqay hum yeh kehtay hain k yeh AESA laut kar ayaa hai jo non ahmadis ka abhi tak nahi ayaa”
i am not sorry to say that this is one more lie among the trilions.here is reality of that claim;
“In this revelation “Mohammadur Rasoolullah wal lazeena m’ahoo, ashiddao ‘al alkuffare rohamao bainahum” (Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves [Quran 48:29]), I (Mirza Ghulam) have been named Muhammad as well as the Messenger of Allah.”
(Ek-Ghalati-Ka-Izala, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 18, P. 207; Ek-Ghalati-Ka-Izala, P. 3/4; Rabwah, 3rd Edition)
[Read: Other Verses of Quran Mirza Claimed to be Praises intended for himself]
“I have told so many times that according to the verse “Wa Akhareen Menhom” (Along with others of them…) – in the incarnate form, I am the same last of the Prophets. Twenty two years ago, God named me in Braheen-e-Ahmadia Muhammad and Ahmad and declared that I am the entity of the Holy Prophet(SAW).”
(Ek-Ghalati-Ka-Izala, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 18, P. 212; Ek-Ghalati-Ka-Izala, P. 1/8)
“And Know that just as our Holy Prophet(SAW) was sent in the fifth thousand (the 6th century A.D.), in the same manner he was sent in the sixth thousand (the 13th century A.D.) in the incarnation of the Promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani).”
(Khutba-e-Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 270; Khutba-e-Ilhamiah, P. 180, 1st Edition, Qadian, 1902)
“The Holy Prophet(SAW) had two advents. In other words, you may say that one mission was in the reincarnated form. It was promised that the Holy prophet(SAW) would be sent to the world once again and this was fulfilled by the advent of the Promised Messiah and the promised Mehdi (i.e. Mirza Ghulam).”
(Tuhfah-e-Golravia, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 17, P. 249;Tuhfah-e-Golravia, P. 94, 1st Edition, Qadian, 1902)
“Maseeh Mowud (The Promised Messiah) is not a separate thing from holy Prophet(pbuh), but it is he himself who has come again in this world in incarnated form….. Therefore is there any doubt that God has reincarnated Muhammad again in Qadian?”
(Kalimat-ul-Fasl, P.104-105, Review of Religions, Qadian, March 1915)
“Thus does any doubt remain that God has sent Muhammad (pbuh) again in Qadian to fulfill his promise?”
(Kalimat-ul-Fasl by Mirza Basheer Ahmad, Review of Religions, P.105, No.3, Vol.14)
“Blessed is the head of the 14th century whence he descended like the moon through darkness. Muhammad has now come reincarnated as Ahmad Mujtaba (Mirza Ghulam) to help the (Muslim) Ummah. The reality of the rebirth became manifest to me when the Mirza declared to be Mustafa (Muhammad) incarnate.”
(Al-Fadl, May 28, 1928, Qadian)
ladies and gentlemen please decide for yourself and do not let this deception and forgery took a place in your hearts and minds for single moment.
may ALLAH TAALA keep us away from the fire of hell
mirza ghulam ahmed qadiyani goes further and say:
“The various accomplishments which were bestowed upon all other Prophets were concentrated in a greater degree in the holy prophet. All those accomplishments have been conferred on me through the holy Prophet by means of the shadow system. That is why I bear the name of Adam, Ibrahim, Moses, Noah, Daud, Yousuf, Solaiman, Yahya, Jesus, etc. All the previous Prophets were incarnations of special attributes of the holy Prophet(SAW), but I am a reincarnation of all these special attributes of the holy Prophet.
(Malfoozat, Vol. 3, P. 270, Rabwah)
“And Allah sent down upon me the bounty of the holy Prophet and made it perfect; and he drew towards me the kindness and generosity of the merciful Prophet, so that I became one with him. Thus, he who joins my group, joins the group of the companions (Sahaba) of my Leader, the best of messengers. It is not hidden from those who have the ability to think that this is what the words “Akhareen Menhom” (others of them) mean. The person who makes a difference between me and the Mustafa has neither seen me nor recognized me.”
(Khutba-e-Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 258-259; Khutba-e-Ilhamiah, P. 171)
“Many Thrones descended from the heaven but thy throne has been placed the highest.”
(Tadhkirah, P. 346/643, Second Edition – Mirza’s “Revelation”; Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, P. 89)
“One who denies that the mission of the Prophet(SAW) is related to the 6th thousand (13th century) as it was related to 5th thousand (6th century), denies the truth and the text of the Quran and is among the zalemeen (gone astray). The truth is that the spiritual power of the holy Prophet(SAW) at the end of the 6th thousand (13th century in Mirza Ghulam), i.e. these days, is much stronger, more complete and stronger than in those early years. Nay, it is like the fourteenth (moonlit) night (full moon).”
(Khutbah-e-Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 271-272; Khutbah-e-Ilhamiah, P. 181)
“For the holy Prophet, God showed only the sign of Eclipse of Moon; But for me he has shown the sign of Eclipse of both Moon and Sun (solar eclipse), thus will you disbelieve me. If his Kalaam (words) were a miracle, a sign, my Kalaam is also a miracle.”
(Aijaz-e-Ahmadi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol.19, P.183; Aijaz-e-Ahmadi, P. 71/79)
“And say, O People, I have come as a Prophet of Allah towards you all.”
(Tadhkirah, P. 352, Fourth Edition, Mirza Ghulam’s “revelations”)
“It is possible for a man to attain a spiritual position higher than any other man; if any man wishes, he can rise even above Muhammad(SAW).”
(Al-Fadl, July 17, 1922, by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
“[It is a fact that Muhammad(pbuh) worked only three thousand miracles…] My Miracles exceed one million in number.”
(Tadhkirah tul Shahadatain, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 20, P. 43)
“And Islam started like the crescent which was destined ultimately to become in the later ages the full moon (of the 14th night of the month), by the command of God. Thus, Allah’s Wisdom willed that Islam should assume the form of the full moon in that century which should resemble the full moon by way of counting (i.e. in the 14th century).”
(Khutba-i-Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 275; Khutba-i-Ilhamiah, P. 184/93)
“The spiritual achievement of our holy prophet(SAW) took place during the 5th thousand (the Mekkan mission) with its brief attributes and that period was not the end of this spiritual achievement. It was rather the first step to the highest pinnacle of its perfection. Thereafter, this spiritual achievement manifested itself in its full glamour during the 6th thousand (the time of Mirza Ghulam).”
(Khutba-i-Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 266; Khutba-i-Ilhamiah, P. 177)
“It is worth remembering here that the Khutba-e-Ilhamiah (the inspired Address) is that Address which was conferred upon the Promised Messiah by God in the form of a miracle, as its name indicates. So this book should not be taken as an ordinary book, because every sentence of it has the characteristic of divine inspiration. Then, at Page 171 of this very book, hazrate aqdas (Mirza Ghulam) says:
‘He who makes a difference between me and the Mustafa has neither seen me nor recognized me.’ Similarly it is written at page 181, ‘He who denies that the mission of the Prophet(SAW) is related to the 6th thousand (13th century) as it was related to the 5th thousand (6th century), denies the truth and the text of the Quran. The truth is that the spiritual power of the holy Prophet(SAW) at the end of the 6th thousand, i.e. these days, is much stronger, more complete and stronger than in those early years’. It is clear from these references that the Promised Messiah was not a man of ordinary status. But, among the Ummah of Muhammad, in consideration of his rank, he surpassed all’ (including hazrat Muhammad).”
(Kalimat-ul-Fasl, P. 130-131; Review of Religions, March-April 1915)
“O dear ones, Our Imam in this world is Ghulam Ahmad in the “Darul Amaan” (house of security, Qadian).
Ghulam Ahmad is the Throne (Arsh) of the Great Lord (Rabbe Akbar).
This is as if his rest-house is situated in a place which knows no bounds (La Makan).
Ghulam Ahmad is the true Messenger of Allah (Rasul Allah).
He has been elevated with honor among mankind and Jinn.
Muhammad has been reincarnated among us; enhanced is he in his dignity and rank.
O Akmal, it anyone longs to see Muhammad, he should see Ghulam Ahmad in Qadian.”
(Al-Badr, Vol. 2, No. 25, October 25, 1906; reprint in Paigham-us-Sulh, March 14, 1916)
“The Mental development of the holy Messiah (Mirza of Qadian) was higher than that of the holy Prophet(SAW) … This is only a part of the superiority which the Promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam) had over the holy Prophet(SAW). The mental faculties of the holy Prophet could not be manifested fully, although the capacity existed, owing to the deficient civilization of the time. They have now manifested themselves in their full form through the Promised Messiah, by force of the advancement of civilization.”
(Review of Religions, May 1929; Qadiani Religion, P. 266/241; 9th Edition Lahore)
This is indicative of the true unIslamic beliefs of Qadianism. In Islam, believing that one can reach and surpass the holy Prophet of Allah(SAW), the greatest of believers and prophets, amounts to disbelief.
@dr_jawwad71
You do not need to worry about my religious belief.
I do not want to go into your accusations at all. Non Muslims talk a lot of filth about Islam and they make references to the Holy Quran, to Ahadith and to the history we have in Islamic books, but we (the Muslims) don’t care. Why? because a filthy mind will only see filth in every thing.
Allah says in Quran: Khatam Allaho Alla Quloobihim Wa Alla Sami’ihim wa Alla Absaarihim; Ghishawatahum Walahum Azaabun Azeem.
It means that Allah has sealed their hearts, their ears and their eyes, and they will be given Azaab-e-Azeem. This Ayat does not mean that those people become blind or deaf in literal sense; it means that whatever they see, they try to find some filth in it and whatever they hear, they take it filthy, as the focus of their attention is nothing but filth.
You are no different from the above category of people and I will not give a damn to what your accusations are. You have a gutter mind and you can only spread pollution. You cannot engage in a healthy debate.
If I were to engage in a religious debate, I would discuss the beliefs; re (a) the concept of Hazrat Issa as to whether he is alive or dead; (b) whether Imam Mehdi or a different Masih has to come or will it be Hazrat Issa who will come back; (c) what is the concept of Khatme Nabuwwat and how does coming of a different person affect the concept of Khatme Nabuwwat; (d) if for example the conclusion is that a different Masih has to come and Hazrat Issa is dead, then, who is that person and whether or not he has come; (e) finally, whether that person is Mirza Sahib? If at the end I reach a conclusion that Mirza Sahib is Imam Mehdi / Masih, then I will not wait a second and submit myself to him; and once I do that, I will accept whatever he says despite that I may not be agreeing to everything. I have to say yes to what the Imam of the time is saying, as the belief is that the Imam is guided by Allah.
As you have a filthy mind and a negative approach, Allah has sealed your heart and you will only work in the reverse order; discussing the person rather than the belief and that too, only for making accusations and spilling out the shit you have inside.
By the way and just for your information, the same sort of accusations are made against Holy Prophet as you are levelling against Mirza Sahib.
Finally, you have skipped my point altogether. QUESTION: did you research on the accusation made against Mirza Sahib with reference to what you said in one of the messages above before you spread on the word. For ease of reference, I reproduce the conversation:
QUOTE (by you)
“because some of muslim who observed him closely told that if he had to write “curse 1000 time” (hazar bar laanat)he starts writing “laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat
laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat,laanat,……and so on till 1000 time.
one of them gave the observation that he use to keep jaggery in one pocket and in the other pocket he keeps pebble for “istanja”. and some time he absent mindedly lick
the stone as jaggery.”
UNQUOTE
QUOTE (by me)
Do you have any proof in relation to the above or else you agree that you are a LIAR according to the standard set by the Holy Prophet in his Hadith referred to in my message above?
Holy Quran says…
La’anat Ullah e Allal Kaazibeen
I am sure you know that you fall sqarely within the above. No one else is cursing ‘Laánat’ on you but Allah himself.
And I will only say, SHAME ON YOU!
UNQUOTE
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@kashif jahangiri!
again no answer!
those were serious allegations aren,t they?
again tricks
as i said if a person is convicted for genocide and waiting for sentence it is ridiculous to have a another trial for slapping.
“By the way and just for your information, the same sort of accusations are made against Holy Prophet as you are levelling against Mirza Sahib.
yes there were allegations aginst the HAZRAT MOHAMMED (SAW) but there no single allegation of
“FALSEHOOD”
“FORGERY”
“LIES”
“DECEPTION”
“no one ever called him(maaz allah)”IMPOSTER”
The biggest minds of europe(jews and christians) ranked him
“No 1” in 100 peoples of humans ever lived.
here is more examples of falsehood of mirza ghulam ahmed qadiyani.
FALSE PROPHECIES OF FALSE PROPHET(PART1)
To support his claim of being the Promised Messiah, Mirza Ghulam often engaged in debates with little known Christians. In 1893, Mirza Ghulam challenged Mr. Abdullah Khan Atham, a retired deputy commissioner and a Christian, to a debate to prove the truthfulness of either religion. In his challenge to Mr. Atham, Mirza Ghulam boasted:
“I agree that if the signs of my truthfulness are not shown, I will admit that I am not from God and will give up Islamic faith or will surrender half of my wealth for propagation of Christianity.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 48-49)
“I swear upon God that God told me ‘Whatever was given to the Messiah (Jesus) has been given to you and you are the Promised Messiah’.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 49)
The debate between Mirza Ghulam and Mr. Atham commenced on May 22, 1893 and went on till June 5, 1893. Toward the end of the debate, Christians brought one blind, one deaf, and one paralyzed individual to the debate and challenged Mirza Ghulam to cure them as Jesus(pbuh) had done! Naturally, Mirza was not able to cure any of them.
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 291)
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani offered such a weak argument against Mr. Atham and was so badly humiliated that both Muslims and Christians were openly admitting the failure of Mirza to prove the truthfulness of Islam. (Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 25) Several Qadianis were even reported to have converted to Christianity, as the result of Mirza Ghulam’s loss.
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 28, footnote)
Having been so badly defeated, Mirza Ghulam resorted to one of his old tricks. On June 5, 1893, he announced that the night before he has received a Grand Prophecy from Allah(SWT). He said:
“When I humbly entreated and implored God Almighty and prayed to Him to show me the details of the matter, He indicated to me that the liar will die within 15 months (before September 5, 1894), provided he does not return to the truth (Islam); and he who is on the truth and believes in true God, his honor will be restored and when this prophecy is fulfilled some blind man will start seeing, paralyzed start walking, and deaf start hearing. I admit that if this prophecy proves to be False, I am prepared for every punishment. My face should be blackened and I should be hanged. I swear by the Mighty Allah that what I have said will happen. It must happen. It is possible that the earth may be changed for another earth and the sky may be replaced by another sky, but it is not possible for God’s word to change — prepare for me a cross if my falsehood is exposed and curse me more than the Satans and the evil persons are cursed.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 292-293; Jang-i-Maqaddas, P. 188)
We need to keep in mind that Mr. Atham was already sixty six (66) years old, at the time of this prophecy. During the next 10 months, several attempts on Mr. Atham’s life were made: someone fired a shot at him, a cobra was found in his house, people tried to break the door to his bedroom, etc. (Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 13, P. 163)
Yaqub Ali Qadiani in his book titled the Life of the Promised Messiah recounted:
“When the last day of the period appointed for Atham dawned, the faces of the Qadianis were pale white and their hearts were perturbed. Some of us had laid bets with the opponents on the death of Abdullah Atham. A sense of dismay and depression prevailed….”
(Sirat-ul-Mehdi, P. 7)
Yet, the sun rose and Mr. Atham had not died! Many Qadianis were agitated by these failed prophecies, some even gave up on their faith. Mirza Ghulam, once again, gathered his remaining supporters and gave them a sermon on the meaning of tests and trials. Some accepted his explanation and forgot the failure of the prophecies he had attributed to Allah(SWT). On the other hand, the Christians celebrated the failure of Mirza Ghulam in Amristar (a city in India) and carried Mr. Atham around in a victory march. To them, Mirza Ghulam’s loss equated the loss of Islam. (Al-Hukam of Qadian, September 7, 1923, by Rahim Buksh Qadiani)
In a last attempt to save face, Mirza Ghulam and some of his close associates suggested that, since the prophecies had not come to pass, Mr. Atham must have turned his back on Christianity and become a Muslim! (Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 2)
WHILE In an announcement published in the newspaper Wadadar on September 15, 1894, Mr Atham declared:
“I invite your attention to the prophecy of Ghulam Ahmad about my death. I inform you that, by the grace of God, I am safe and sound. I have heard Ghulam Ahmad alleging that I have turned my back on Christianity. I proclaim that this is a lie. I was a Christian and I ever remained a Christian and I thank God that He made me a Christian…”
(Wafadar, Lahor, September 15, 1894 – not a Qadiani
paper)
Muhammad Ali Khan, the son-in-law of Mirza Ghulam, in a letter to Mirza Ghulam expressed his dismay and concern for the clear loss and failure of all the prophecies:
“Respected Maulana, May God keep you safe!
Peace and Mercy of Allah on you.
Today, is the 7th of September, while the last day of the fulfillment of the grand prophecy was the 5th of September. I shall not repeat the words of the prophecy. I shall, however, mention the words of your revelation – ‘Now I promise before God that if my prophecy is proved to be a false one and the liar does not die within the period of fifteen months and is not plunged into Hell, I am prepared for my punishment By God, it will so happen. The earth and the heavens might be shaken from their place but the promise of God is unshakable.’ Was this prophecy fulfilled according to Mirza Sahib’s description? No – Never. Abdullah Atham is safe, sound, and alive and is not punished by dead to be flung into Hell. I do not consider any other interpretation is possible for this prophecy than what it clearly meant to be. It, however, sounds very ugly that every prophecy is misunderstood and had to be elaborately interpreted to be rightly understood. At the birth of a child, for instance, it was named Bashir (harbinger of good tidings) for good omen, and when it died, you said the matter was misunderstood. As for the prophecy concerning Atham, it has given birth to the very master piece of distortion and interpretation.”
(Aina-e-Haq Numa, P. 100-101, Published by Yaqub Ali Qadiani)
Once more, let’s review the failed prophecies which Mirza Ghulam attributed to Allah(SWT), in regard to Mr. Atham:
Mr. Atham will accept Islam;
Mirza Ghulam has been given all the capabilities given to Jesus(pbuh);
Mr. Atham will die by September 5, 1894;
A blind man will start seeing, a paralyzed person will start walking, and deaf individual will start hearing;
The sun on the last day of the 15th month (September 5, 1894) will not set until Atham dies;
The sun will not rise and Atham will be dead.
It is unfortunate that Mirza Ghulam has already died. If he were alive now in an Islamic state (not protected by British forces), Muslims would have done as he suggested. They would have blackened his face and hung him as he had requested.
Do you have any doubt that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was a grand fabricator?
( END PART 1)
@KASHIF JAHANGIRI
“but we (the Muslims) don’t care. Why? because a filthy mind will only see filth in every thing.
” it means that whatever they see, they try to find some filth in it and whatever they hear, they take it filthy, as the focus of their attention is nothing but filth.
“You have a gutter mind and you can only spread pollution. You cannot engage in a healthy debate.
“As you have a filthy mind and a negative approach, Allah has sealed your heart and you will only work in the reverse order;
“I am sure you know that you fall sqarely within the above. No one else is cursing ‘Laánat’ on you but Allah himself.
“And I will only say, SHAME ON YOU!
THE FUNNY THING IS THAT YOUR LANGUAGE IS LESS ABUSIVE THAN YOUR PROPHET.
WHAT,S THE MATTER KASHIF JAHANGIRI AREN,T YOU A TRUE QADIYANI?
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
FALSE PROPHESIES OF FALSE PROPHET (PART 2)
(All references are from Qadiani books)
On June 14, 1899, Mirza Ghulam’s wife gave birth to a baby boy, whom they called “Mubarak Ahmad”. Within a few days of the birth of this son, Mirza Ghulam declared:
“This lad is indeed a Spark of the Light of Allah, the promised reformer, the owner of greatness and authority, possessor of healing breath like the Messiah, curer of diseases, a word of God and a lucky person. His fame will spread to the four corners of the world, he will set prisoners free and through him all nations will be blessed.”
(Tiryaq-ul-Qulub, P. 43)
In 1907, when he was only eight years old, this boy fell ill. Concerned that all these prophecies were linked to the livelihood of the boy, Mirza Ghulam had the best treatment available administered to the boy. The boy recovered from his illness and, on August 27, 1907, Mirza made the following statement:
“God has revealed to me that He has accepted the prayer and the illness is cured. It means that God has accepted my prayer and Mubarak Ahmad will get well.”
(Badr, August 29, 1907)
No sooner had he attributed this statement to Allah(SWT), that Mubarak Ahmad fell ill again and died, on September 16, 1907. (Sirat-ul-Mehdi, P. 40; Alfadl, October 30, 1940)
Mirza’s false statements were once more exposed. Obviously, Mirza Ghulam was attributing falsehood to Allah
False Prophecies of a False Prophet(PART 3)
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani’s predictions on Plague @Cholera
(All references are from Qadiani books)
Regarding the plague which was ravaging in the Indian Province of Punjab, Mirza Ghulam said:
“He is the truthful God who has sent His Apostle to Qadian. He shall protect and defend Qadian against plague even though it will be on the rampage for seventy years, for Qadian is the dwelling place of His Apostle and in this are signs for nations.”
(Dafi-ul-Bala, P. 10-11)
However, even though the cities neighboring Qadian were not affected by the plague, Qadian was ravaged by the plague for almost one year. In a letter to his son-in-law, Muhammad Ali Khan, Mirza Ghulam wrote:
“Plague here is in its worst form. A person dies within hours after he is infected by it. God alone knows when will this extreme trial end… Please bring with you a big package of phenol nephthaline whose price is about twenty rupees. Also send phenol for your own house.”
(Maktubat-i-Ahmadiyya, Vol. 5, P. 112-113)
In another letter to his son-in-law, Mirza admitted that the plague had entered his house:
“Plague has not spared even our own house. The elderly Ghausan (an elderly woman) was afflicted by it. We expelled her from the house. Ustad Muhammad Din was also struck with plague. We turned him out too. Today, another woman who was visiting us and had come from Delhi was also struck with plague. I also fell seriously ill and I felt that between me and death were only a few seconds.”
(Maktubat-i-Ahmadiyya, Vol 5, P. 115)
This is even thought Mirza Ghulam had prophecised about Qadian and his house:
“And in this is a sign for nations.”
“Indeed my house is like the Arc of Noah. Whosoever enters it is immune against calamities and misfortunes.”
(Safina-i-Nooh, P. 26)
Mirza Ghulam’s prophecy regarding the sanctity of his house, the safety of Qadian, and the plague were all shown to be false. The plague was indeed “a sign for all nations”! It was the sign of Mirza Ghulam’s falsehood and lies against
@ why on Earth the Qadianis, Ahmedis or Mirzais extremists,
fanatics, corrupt and Fitnah should be immuned, while
others are systematically blemished and incited to be
eliminated, reasons being furnished as any crap &
falsehood. ATP so called Pakistaniat.com has reserved
four blogs to protect the world’s most flagrant Falsehood
in black and white.
The Impostor’s Ummat is necessarily a LIAR.
Amir Liaquat Hussain is nothing but a Failed pretext.
@About Ahmedi Fitnah,
Besides all the stuff written by Kazib Mirza recorded
and kept as references, e.g. Brahin-e-Ahmedia,Al-Fazle
and all other nonsenses, all of you must bring only 4
sentences each, within five minutes Ahmedis will be
derouted from there own PIND. Please consider the following points:
Pak Constitution defines only who can be considered as a
Muslim, those who do not beleive in the Finality, Khatam-e-
Nabuwah are not muslims, now, its in Pakistan, but
Gentlemen, the millions of Fatwahs, the entire Muslim
Population 1.5 billions claim that Ahmedis, Qadianis or
Mirzaies are NOT MUSLIMS, with a clear reference of a Surah
and Ayat, what else is required ?
Qadianis have a lot of ambitions, they wanted to conqueur
Baluchistan, have you forgotten ? the conspiracies,
they have tactics of penetrating inside the Govt. offices
in all administrations, education, etc etc and preach !
Qadianism, Mirza’s Janat, anti-Jihad, and other evangilical
falsified ” miricales “.They are indeed helped from outside
atleast five agencies. Army and ISI have complete record of
them. They should keep quiet and live in Pakistan with
total loyalty, all the traitors must be dealt in the same
way. Ahmedis ! by changing names you can not continue
making the whole world fool. You are the biggest idiots &
blind donkeys of this Planet. Bahi’s did the same “chakkar”
in Iran, but they seperated themselves and don’t call
themselves muslims, fair enough, but remember dear Marzais ! YOUR IMPOSTOR PROPHET ALSO TRIED TO DEFINE, WHO IS A MUSLIM ? NO ? ITS IN HIS BRAHIN, NINKUMPOOPS !
Some of anti-Ahmedi replies are just brilliant. carry on
chums, I’ll join you soon with more funny materials,
Al-Mighty gard you.
@Ujala Dear,
filhaal to Ahmedion par Guzishta 80 baras say jootey par
rehay hein, agay kauon sa Azaab giray ga, Allah janey,
Amir Liaquat Hussain say telphone par baat hui, wo bohat
behtar hein.
O YOU ALL NASLE ABLIS,
YOU NEED ONLY THREE THING TO BE A MUSLIM. IT IS SO SIMPLE.
1- YOU BELIEVE IN ONE GOD
2- MUHAMMAD PBUH THE PROPHET OF ISLAM( I THINK THERE IS NO WORD IN KALIMA LIKE KHATAM UN NABIEEN)
3- AND YOU EAT MUSLIM ZABIAH.(muslim kosher food)
THAT’S ALL. DO NOT COMPLICATE YOURSELF IN WHO IS MUSLIM AND
WHO IS NOT. LEAVE THIS BURDEN TO ALLH TABARAK TALLAH SINCE HE KNOWS WHAT IS IN YOUR HEARTS. IF YOU ARE SOME ASSEMBLY OF IGNORANTS REPRESENTATIVES OF IGNORANT PEOPLE OF A COUNTRY AND TRYING TO DECIDE WHO IS MUSLIM AND WHO IS NOT THAT PERSON OR GOVERNMENT IS COMMITING SHIRK. AND YOU ALL NASLE ABLIS KNOW THAT GOD DON’T LIKE SHIRK. YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPEND TO THE NATION OF MOSES. SO BEND YOUR SELF TO THE GROUND (WITH YOUR ASSES HIGH IN THE AIR) AND YOUR NOSES KISING THE GROUND AND ASK FOR ALLAH’S FORGIVENESS AS YOU KNOW SURELY HE IS GHAFOOR UR RAHEEM.
GOD GIVE ALL OF YOU AKAL. YOUR AKAL IS LESS THEN THE BHENS.
THAT MAY BE DUE TO DRINKING THE MILK OF BHENS TOO MUCH.
@laeeq
blah blah blah………..blah
@dr_jawwad71
It is not me abusing; I am just telling you what is in the Quran; but your gutter mind will take everything as an abuse!
Unless you commit to engage in the debate in the format IU have proposed, I will excuse myself and I will leave you with your dirty mind.
@Rafay Kashmiri
Do you know that the Qazi of the Court in Koofa had given the fatwa that Hazrat Imam Hussain (AS) should be killed. Your Pakistani Parliament was just a bunch of those Qazis.
And your so-called ulema are no more than a bunch of jokers about whom the Holy Prophet had prophesised that they would be the worst creatures under the earth at the time of Imam Mehdi. No wonder why innocent Muslims are being targeted everywhere…… just because, we have these @$$h0l€$ who are followed by bigger @$$h0l€$, such as as.
When you take pride is humiliating someone who is regarded as a prophet by a group of people (although you do not agree to them), do you have any right to protest when the cartoons of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) are published by people who do not recognise him a prophet?
Shame on you!
@Laeeq,
Look into No two yourself, and see what have you said
and think deeper,
@Kashif Jehangir,
you are telling fabricated stories old as Alfazl and its fidels, Has the history accepted that Qazi’s judgment ?
have you? If your Khalifa passes a judgement would you
refuse ? Batil existed then and even today, but Haq is
another thing, which you have never ever discussed on this
Goddemned Blog, Because you guys refused Haq i.e Al-Quran
and Rasul’s authority.
So you justify the murders and Genocide of muslims, because
God has ( nauzubillah given you and Impostor the authority
to condemn not even Mehdi or Nuzol Issa, but the whole
humanity. NOT SINGLE WORD FROM AHMEDIYA ON THE GENOCIDE
OF IRAQIANS AFGHANS KASHMIRIENS, CHECHENIANS, YOU DARE CALL
HIM ” YOUR PROPHET WHO IS ANTI-HUMANITY & WHO IS SATISFIED
WITH MUSLIMS BLOOD SHED, THANKING GOD FOR HIS FAMOUS
ACCOMPLISHMENT & PROPHECIES, what evil is this Prophecy,
which is profoundly racist and biased.
FOR THE LAST 80 YEARS YOU GUYS HAVE TRIED YOUR BUTTS TO
PROVE TO PUNJAB THAT YOUR IMPOSTOR WAS PROPHET !TELL ME IN
THE HISTORY SUCH CHAOS AND FRAUD FABRICATED IN BLACK AND WHITE, A MARGINAL HUMAN BEING COULD’NT BE MADE FOOL BY YOUR
MIRZA OF QADIAN, WHO ALREADY STABLISHED A JANAT, !!!!
Cartoons of Prophet SAW and Impostors are two completely
different subject, my dear, I wonder why they did not make
cartoons of Impostors, because its Impostor’s ummat !
AS FOR YOUR LAST SENTENSE, your example is weak, those
who have printed cartoons belong to extreme right pro hitler mentality, they had done this before with Jews,
Cartoons on Prophet is not a news for me.
@Rafay Kashmiri
Your own so-called leaders have done more harm than good by starting murders in the name of religion.
If you are a true Kashmiri, you must also have read about the history of Kashmir and what is the origin of the Kashmiri people. If not, just have a look at this BBC documentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BDZbG7bbAc
I fail to understand how do you guys believe in the physical uplifting of Hazrat Issa despite clear Quranic and historic evidence!
If you wish to debate, let us agree that our references will be Quran and Hadith only and I challenge you that you cannot prove that Hazrat Issa is alive and will be coming back again – do you DARE to accept the challenge??? say YES if you are confident of your believe and if you have anything other than shit inside your head!
And by the way on the Kashmir issue where Pakistan always makes reference to the UN resolutions of 1949, do you know who got those approved??? It was Sir Zafarullah Khan (Pakistan’s First Foreign Minister), a devout Ahmadi. For your information, India had approached the UN on Pakistan’s intervention in Kashmir. It was after Sir Zafarullah Khan took up the matter directly and responded to the Indian allegations in the UN that India (the plaintiff party in the dispute) started requesting for adjournments and got the matter delayed for one year, but UN resolutions still came our way. But some unthankful @$$h0l€$ will even close their eyes from that and keep on levelling allegations.
To my knowledge, Sir Zafarullah Khan is the ONLY man in the history of the WORLD who was the President of the UN General Assembly and later became the President of the International Court of Justice.
Justice (Retd) Javed Iqbal who used to assist Sir Zafarulla in the UN General Assembly has written in his auto biography that in the colourful evenings of those days at the UN, all delegates would be partying out enjoying drinks and dance except for Sir Zafarullah Khan who would be busy praying in the meditation room of the UN building. He further goes on and writes that to his recollection, the meditation room in the UN building was never used by any person other than Sir Zafarullah Khan.
To be honest, if you do not count Ahmadis, there is no presentable face in the country who has achieved undisputed international recognition. The persons who brought some distinction to the country were all Ahmadis, be it Sir Zafarullah Khan or Professor Abdul Salaam, our only Nobel laurate!
@ Kashif Jehangiri,
you are drifting from the subject and refering to
youtube all the time, if this is your argument then
I think you are ” Khalass ” with facts, and holding on to propaganda, lies, forgery and is not even worth discussing.
Just last point, just answer half a page from the Book
” Qadiani Mas’ala ” Or one more choice
” His Holiness ” by Phoenix
with Allama Iqbal’s remarks on the front page, Forwarded
by Zafar Ali Khan Nov.15 1935 200 hundred pages, with all
the details, references and quotations from Mirza from
1839 to 1890. I hope you realize what artilery I’ll be using against.
@Rafay Kashmiri
As I had correctly assumed, your artillery is some books that are no more than a bundle of lies. My artillery is Quran and Hadith.
The difference is clear!
Why dont you do something productive and read Quran?
@Btw, this crap of Zafarullah, stop repeating like
a joker, they were all CIA Assets, working for colonial
masters, serving them like dogs and obeying them, giving
up all secrets of Pak Army, and State, and spreading evil
against muslims all over the world even from Israel.
Come on don’t be a laughing stock before the world, they
know who to call for the jobs to be done. The whole world
only breath because of your Impostor’s paid agents.ha ha
The crook and forged religion has no perfume, it stinks.
Put this reality in your thick Qadiani head. And think like
humanbeings not with killer instinct. Your corrupt mythology has every where poisonous snakes, they only breed
the likes. Go and consult American Liberary, you get some
civilized courses of an obident servant, yes Sir kind.
You get laureats of Nobel Prize, you are worth of medals
from your masters, stay calm and ask for more, they will give more, because you believe in it, they come from your
false devine wahi to lick the boots, thats all you guys are
good at. Corruption is your deed, corruption will annihilate
your sickening Natak.
Your post does not show an iota of knowledge, and I feel that you are another ignorant Mullah who are now burning in your own hell here in this world aand definitely hereafter.
It is time to find peace in yourself, instread od criticizing Ahamaddys and look around how Muslims are at the bottom in the human history.