Dr. Aamir Liaquat Hussain a famous religious host of a show called Aalim Online which airs frequently on Geo TV has entered some hot waters in the past few days. It is believed that his comments on the show may have incited Muslims to target and kill followers of the Ahmedi sect. Dr. Aamir has been running this show for the past many years and has developed a strong following catapulting him to fame to the extent that many Pakistanis swear by his religious commentary on TV, and remains a highly sought after show specially during the month of Ramadan.
Historically Dr. Aamir Liaquat Hussain has had his taste of controversy which started of from his fake degrees where this blogger had labeled him as Jahil Online back in 2005, he was then associated with MQM for a few years and ultimately had a falling out with the party over a controversial comment he made on TV condemning the British author Salman Rushdie, saying that Salman Rushdie should be killed for blaspheming the Holy Prophet (PBUH) in his book, Satanic Verses, after making this comment Mr. Online refused to retract his statement despite immense pressure from the top London based MQM leadership which ultimately lead to his dismissal and soon he also resigned from his Ministry
Asian Human Rights Watch reports that on 7th September in his program ‘Aalim Online’ the anchor declared the murder of Ahmadi sect members to be necessary (Wajib ul Qatal) according to Islamic teachings, because its followers don’t believe in the last prophet, Mohammad, peace be upon him.
Dr. Amir repeated his instruction several times, urging fundamentalists Muslims to kill without fear. While on air the anchor person also pressured the other two Islamic scholars (from two different sects) on the program to support the statement. This resulted in a unanimous decision among the scholars, on air during a popular television show, to urge lynching with the intent to kill.
This was not a one-off. On September 9, Mr. Hussain answered a query with the comment that blasphemers are liable to be put to death.
According to the information received, at 1:15pm on September 8, 18 hours after the broadcast, six persons entered the Fazle Umer Clinic, a two-story hospital at Mirpurkhas city and two of them went to the second floor and started pressuring 45 year-old Dr. Abdul Manan Siddiqui to come downstairs to attend to a patient in crisis. Dr. Manan left his office and descended into an ambush. He was shot 11 times and died on the spot. His private guard was also shot and is in a serious condition. A woman was also injured by firing. The killers remained at the hospital until the doctor was declared dead, then they walked out of the building’s front entrance. Police registered the killers as unknown.
On September 9, 48 hours after the broadcast, Mr. Yousaf, a 75 year-old rice trader and district chief of the Ahmadi sect was killed on his way to prayer in Nawab Shah, Sindh province. Yousaf was fired on from people on motor bikes, and sustained three bullet wounds. He died on the way to the hospital. The assailants had taken a route past a police station. No one was arrested.
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664 responses to “Aalim Online – Inciting murder against Ahmedi’s”
Serious discussion requires that issues are taken up one by one. Ahsan refered to a Quranic verse and Hadith about Mairaj and tried to prove that Hazrat Eisa was lifted with his body up the heaven somewhere.
Bilal replied to this argument and explained the term “rafa’a”from Quran and and from Hadith about Mairaj. Now instead of replying to Bilal’s argument, Ahsan and other scribes are now talking about some other issues. That is not fair. Or should it be constued that this issue gets settled and it is proved that Hazrat Eisa died as any other prophet. Then one can further talk about some other issue.
Even on scientific lines there is no such physical place available or known in the skies where people are kept bodily. In Mairaj the Holy Prophet saw many prophets up the heavens. Muslims treat it as spiritual presence. But if this was bodily presence of all the dead prophets, all the prophets are as alive as is Hazrat Eisa.
But of course teaching-wise, they are alive and spiritually Allah has surely lifted, exalted them all, but not physically
to khaled
can you please tell me what did amit liaqat said about sahaba?
I can see the Ahmadi playing their usual trick of trying to turn Shia against Sunni by asking the question “what did amit liaqat said about sahaba” and then claiming that ghair ahmadis are divided and fighting against each other.
Guess what the next claim will be: “My community will divide into 73 sects, and all of them will be in the Hellfire save one”. Guess who is saved sect, the Ahmadis!! Save it I have seen it all before.
For readers off this site I implore you to read the following book:
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Truth-about-the-Split.pdf
Also urdu readers might enjoy the following:
http://www.alislam.org/urdu/pdf/Kalma-tul-Fasal.pdf
If any of my quotes are incorrect let the readers decide who is a LIAR.
ME OR THE QADIANIS!!!!!!!
Then the usual mollarky will follow about ghair ahmadis being Kafirs within the 4 walls of Islam. I have Mirza Tahir try to argue this, but his argument was completely non sensical!
The works of Kahlifa II expose this to be a LIE INVENTED by Khalifa III and IV, along with slogans LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE and so on.
Islam is not based on the death of Isa, it is a manufactured issue created by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to claim how he was a great defender of Islam. As a poster eloquently put it earlier:
“there is really no need to delve into the issue of whether Jesus (PBUH)is alive or dead, as it was never mentioned a part of Faith (Imaan) by our Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). So the faith of any Muslim is considered complete in every respect no matter what beliefs he/she has about the death/ascension of Jesus (PBUH).”
I could believe that Jesus was whisked off to Mars, however that does not make me a non-muslim and it does not make Ahmadis with their BAHAI interpretation of the finality of the prophethood muslims.
Yes the entire world knows that BAHAIS were the first people to interpret the “khatam ul nabi” to mean the seal of the prophets and not the final prophet. Your prophet could have at least come up with something original rather than stealing from Bahaiulla. However it worked well in Persia, I guess there was no reason to believe it wouldn’t work well in India. (Deny it if you like, but history proves that I am correct)
Bilal, with regards to Shia Islam I am not aware of Shia Islam using foul language against Isa pbuh or any prophet for that matter. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
The below gives a synopsis of what main stream muslims already believe about Jesus.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/crucified.htm
“In 4:156-159 “……Nay Allah raised him up Unto Himself…..”
There is a difference of opinion as to the exact interpretation of this verse. The words are: The Jews did not kill Jesus, but Allah raised him up (rafa’ahu…in Arabic) to Himself. Some people hold that Jesus did not die the usual human death, but still lives in the body in heaven, which is the generally accepted Muslim view. Another hold that he did die but not when he was supposed to be crucified, and that is being “raised up” unto Allah means that instead of being disgraced as a malefactor, as the Jews intended, he was on the contrary honoured by Allah Almighty as His Messenger. The same word (rafa’a) is used in association with honour in connection with Al Mustafa (Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him).”
Notice that the issue of whether or not Jesus is raised physically or not is addressed in this article? Muslims have interpreted this in a variety of ways, but believing in one interpretation or the other is not an article of faith for muslims.
So stop trying to raise false issues in order to use the divide and conquer approach in order to spread the false beliefs of your prophet!
At the same time I advise Ahmedies also to change their policies and stop cruel practices like ‘social boycott’, expulsions, hate propaganda, forced divorces and family breakups that they use against people who chose to leave Jamaat or express dissent about the policies or personal behaviour of Ahmedi leadership. It is highly hypocritical that Ahmedies don’t allow any Ahmedi to object on any belief or people of Mirza family but expect that others will tolerate their beliefs that are in conflict with some basic tenants of Main stream Islam.
A lot of problems against Ahmedies are direct result of social isolation that Ahmedies have self-created due to their policy of not having marital and social relations with non-Ahmedi Muslims. This policy of Ahmadiyya has made this community a fortress community that is held hostage by their own dogmas – many purely based on hate.
I am an Ahmedi by birth and hel many positions in Jamaat in my youth. Right now I am facing a severe social boycott by Ahmedi community including families of me and my wife. Is such practice human? My only crime was that I criticize corruption among clergy and so-called holy Mirza family and also some wrong practices including discrimination against women.
Crimes against Ahmedies in Pakistan and rest of Islamic world are condemnable and Ahmedies should be allowed freedoms to practice their religion. All discriminatory laws against Ahmedies must be scraped.
At the same time I advise Ahmedies also to change their policies and stop cruel practices like ‘social boycott’, expulsions, hate propaganda, forced divorces and family breakups that they use against people who chose to leave Jamaat or express dissent about the policies or personal behaviour of Ahmedi leadership. It is highly hypocritical that Ahmedies don’t allow any Ahmedi to object on any belief or people of Mirza family but expect that others will tolerate their beliefs that are in conflict with some basic tenants of Main stream Islam.
A lot of problems against Ahmedies are direct result of social isolation that Ahmedies have self-created due to their policy of not having marital and social relations with non-Ahmedi Muslims. This policy of Ahmadiyya has made this community a fortress community that is held hostage by their own dogmas – many purely based on hate.
I am an Ahmedi by birth and hel many positions in Jamaat in my youth. Right now I am facing a severe social boycott by Ahmedi community including families of me and my wife. Is such practice human? My only crime was that I criticize corruption among clergy and so-called holy Mirza family and also some wrong practices including discrimination against women.
What is mean by Khataman Nabiyyeen by Jamaat Ahmadiyya?
The principal charge leveled against the Promised Messiah, peace be on him, is that (God save us), he repudiated the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, being the Khataman Nabiyyeen.
This is an utterly false charge. The Promised Messiah, peace be on him, has repeatedly affirmed in his writings that he believes that every word and vowel point of the Holy Quran is from God and that this is part of his faith. He was the first person in Islam who proclaimed that not one word of the Holy Quran is abrogated. He challenged those who believe that a certain number of verses of the Holy Quran have been abrogated, to come forth in opposition to his declaration and that he would establish that not a single word of the Holy Quran has been abrogated. To say concerning such a person that (God save us) he repudiated a whole verse of the Holy Quran (33:41) is a monstrosity.
He has stated:
I call Allah, the Glorious, to witness that I am not a disbeliever. My doctrine is that there is no one worthy of worship save Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah . I believe concerning him that he was the Messenger of Allah and the Khataman Nabiyyeen. I affirm the truth of this statement with as many oaths as are the Holy names of Allah and as are the letters of the Holy Quran and as is the number of the excellencies of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. No belief of mine is contrary to the commands of Allah and His Messenger. He who imagines anything contrary to this labors under a mis-conception. (Karamatus Sadiqeen, p.25)
Again he has stated:
The person who was above all, and was a perfect man, and a perfect prophet, and who came with the fullness of blessings, through whom, on account of his spiritual advent and the spiritual resurrection that he brought about, the first judgment manifested itself and a whole universe that was dead was revived, that blessed prophet Khatamul Anbiya, Leader of the elect, Katamul Mursileen, Pride of the Prophets was Muhammad Mustafa, peace and the blessings of Allah by upon him. (Itmamul Hujjah, p.28)
He claimed:
Allah is Glorious, Allah is Glorious; what a high station was that of the Khatamul Anbiya, the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. Glory be to Allah, what high degree of light was his. (Braheen Ahmadiyya, p.246)
My belief that I hold in this life and with which, by the grace of Allah, I shall pass on from this world is that our lord and master, Muhammad Mustafa, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, was Khataman Nabiyyeen and the best of Messengers. (Izala Auham, part I, p.137)
He declared:
I believe in the Khatam-i-Nabuwat of the Khatamul Anbjya, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, and consider one who denies the Khatam-i-Nabuwat as faithless and outside the pale of Islam. (Taqreer Wajabul llan, 1891)
He has stated:
My belief is that our Holy Prophet is better and more exalted than all the Messengers and is Khataman Nabiyyeen. (Ayenah Kamalat Islam, p.327)
He has declared:
I believe that our Holy Prophet, Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, is more exalted than all the Messengers and is the Khatamul Anbiya. (Hamamatul Bushra, p.8)
He has affirmed:
I believe truly and perfectly in the verse which says: ‘But he was the Messenger of Allah and Khataman Nabiyyeen’. (Ek Ghati Ka Izala)
All this makes it clear beyond doubt that the Promised Messiah, peace be upon him, had perfect faith in the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be on him, being the Khataman Nabiyyeen, and that he considered anyone who repudiated this as being outside the pale of Islam. It is, therefore, the height of injustice to allege that he denied the Khatam-i-Nabuwat of Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him.
It is true, however, that the Ahmadiyya Community differs with some of the Muslim divines in the true meaning and interpretation of the relevant verse (33:41). The Ahmadis have firm faith in the verse itself and a difference of view regarding its meaning and interpretation does not import disbelief. In the history of Islam great Imams and divines have differed with each other in the matter of interpretation on several questions. Despite those differences they were all considered Muslims and are worthy of honor by all Muslims. Such Imams and high authorities have interpreted this particular verse (33:41) exactly as the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement has interpreted it. Will they all, God forbid, be held to be non-Muslims? It would be obviously unjust that if X interprets a verse in one way he should be held to be a Muslim but if Y interprets it in the same way, he should be held to be a disbeliever. We set out, by way of illustration, the interpretations of this verse (33:41) by some of the outstanding divines.
Hazrat Mulla Ali Qari (mercy of Allah be upon him), who died in 1014 A.H. and was a great research scholar and a master of Hanafi jurisprudence and was a great Imam, has stated in his book Mauzuat Kabir, with reference to the saying of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him:
Had Ibrahim (the Holy Prophet’s infant son) survived, he would have been a true prophet, that if Ibrahim had survived and had become a prophet he would still have been a follower of the Holy Prophet; and he has interpreted the verse (33:41) as meaning that there would be no prophet after the Holy Prophet who would abrogate his law and who would not be one of his followers.
In the same way, Hazrat Shah Waliullah, Muhaddas of Delhi (mercy of Allah be upon him), who has been acclaimed as the Reformer of the 12th century of Islam, has stated in his book Tafheemat IIahiyyah:
The prophets came to an end with the Holy Prophet, meaning that there can be no divinely inspired reformer after him who would be commissioned by Allah, the Glorious, with a new law.
Thus there can be a difference in the interpretation of the verse, but so far as faith in the verse is concerned it is not open to any doubt that the Promised Messiah, peace be upon him, had full faith in it.
The verse is as follows:
Muhammad is not the father of any of your man, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets. Allah has full knowledge of all things. (33:41)
Our opponents say that the expression Khataman Nabiyyeen, which has been employed in this verse, relating to the Holy Prophet, means that by his advent prophethood has been closed and that he was the last prophet in every sense. This interpretation is not correct. The word Khatam means seal and thus the expression Khataman Nabiyyeen means the Seal of the Prophets. The verse states that Muhammad is not the father of any man but is the Messenger of Allah and is the Seal of the Prophets. The question, therefore, is what is the true meaning of the expression ‘Seal of the Prophets’ in this context? Our opponents contend that the phrase Khataman Nabiyyeen does mean the Seal of the Prophets but that its interpretation is that the Holy Prophet was the last prophet, for the purpose of a seal is to close a document.
It is well known, however, that the purpose of a seal is not to close a statement but to certify it as correct. That is why often a seal is affixed to a document at its top and in other cases it is affixed at its bottom or at its end. Its purpose is to certify the genuiness and correctness of the contents of the document. It is well known that after the truce of Hudaybiyyah, when the Holy Prophet decided to address letters to the rulers and chiefs of surrounding territories inviting them to the acceptance of Islam, he was told that rulers and chiefs do not attach any significance to a communication addressed to them unless it bears the seal of the writer. Thereupon the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, had a seal prepared which was thereafter used for the attestation and certification of documents (Bokhari and Muslim).
The purpose of a seal being attestation and certification, the interpretation of the verse in question would be that though the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, had no male issue, yet being the Messenger of Allah he is the spiritual progenitor of his followers. He is, therefore, not without issue but has a large progeny. It is added that he is not merely a Divine Messenger but is also the Seal of the Prophets, that is to say, he is not only the progenitor of the generality of the believers but is the spiritual progenitor of the prophets and messengers also and thus he occupies the exalted position which imports that no prophet or messenger can now appear unless he bears with him the confirmatory seal of the Holy Prophet. This means that the Holy Prophet is not only the spiritual progenitor of the generality of believers but is also the spiritual progenitor of prophets and messengers.
If this verse is construed as meaning that the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, was absolutely the last prophet, the verse becomes meaningless. In that case its meaning would be: ‘Muhammad had no son but he is the last prophet.’ In Arabic idiom the word ‘but’ which has been used here is employed for the purpose of introducing an explanation in modification of what has gone before, or for the purpose of clearing a doubt which the previous statement might raise. The use of the word ‘but’ in this verse entails that it should be followed by a statement which modifies or clarifies that which has gone before. In view of this the interpretation put forward by our opponents makes the verse meaningless, for it would then amount to a statement that though the Holy Prophet has no issue, no prophet will come after him. This would constitute no praise of the Holy Prophet.
The interpretation of the verse adopted by the Ahmadiyya Community is in exact accord with that attributed to it by great Imams and the elect in the past. For instance, Hazrat Ayesha (may Allah be pleased with her) is reported as having said:
Say he was Khataman Nabiyyeen, but do not say that there will be no prophet after him. (Durre Manshur, Vol. V of Jalaludin Suyuti)
Hazrat Mohyuddin ibn Arabi has stated in his book, Futuhat Makkiyyah:
Prophethood will continue among men till the Judgment Day, though a new law is barred. Law is a part of prophethood.
Hazrat Imam Muhammad Tahir has stated in his book, Majmaul Bihar:
The saying of Hazrat Ayesha that Muslims should call the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be on him, Khataman Nabiyyeen, but should not say that there would be no prophet after him, had reference to the advent of the Promised Messiah. The direction given by Hazrat Ayesha is not in contradiction with the hadees: ‘There will be no prophet after me’; for the meaning of the Holy Prophet was that there would be no prophet after him who would abrogate his law.
Hazrat Shaikh Ahmad Sirhindi (may Allah have mercy on him) Reformer of the second millennium, who is held in great honor, has stated:
The achievement by the followers of the Holy Prophet by way of obedience and inheritance of the excellencies of prophethood after the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, is not inconsistent with his being the Khatamar Rusul (Maktubat Ahmadiyya, Vol. I)
Hazrat Shah Waliullah, Muhaddas of Delhi, may Allah have mercy on him, who was a great divine and was the Reformer of the 12th century of Islam, has stated in his book Tafheemat Ilahiyyah that the meaning of prophethood having come to an end with the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, is that there will be no one who will be appointed by God Almighty with a new law.
These are only a few out of hundreds of statements made by eminent Muslim divines and righteous people who have interpreted the expression Khataman Nabiyyeen in the same way as the Promised Messiah, peace be upon him, has interpreted it. If despite differences in interpretation they were Muslims and were accepted as believers in the Holy Quran, why should the Promised Messiah, peace be on him, be penalized for having the same belief? Such an attitude would be the height of injustice.
There is a serious contradiction involved in the stand taken by the divines who are opposed to the Ahmadiyya Movement. On the one hand they pronounce the Promised Messiah, peace be on him, a disbeliever because in their estimation his claim of prophethood is contradictory of the verse which pronounces the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, as being Khataman Nabjyyeen; and on the other hand they believe that Jesus, son of Mary, who is a Prophet, would come a second time. If the Seal of Prophethood is disrupted by the claim of the Promised Messiah that he is a prophet by reflection, then how is it that it would not be disrupted by the second advent of Jesus who was a Prophet in his own right? The bulk of the Muslims believe that Jesus would descend from heaven in his earthly body and would be a prophet.
For instance, Maulana Maudoodi Sahib has stated:
The second advent of Jesus is a question on which the Muslims are all agreed. This belief is based upon the Holy Quran, hadees, and consensus … This is a certainty and admits of no doubt that the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, has announced the second advent of Jesus. This is established by irrefutable testimony. If such testimony can be rejected, no historical event of the world can be accepted. (Answer to ten questions on behalf of Jamaat Islami, p.24)
In a hadees of Muslim, the Messiah who was to come has been described as the Prophet of Allah. The stand of the Ahl-i-Hadees sect in this matter is that there is a consensus among the Muslims and it is supported by the ahadees that the Promised Messiah would be a prophet. (Ahl-i-Hadees, 29 November 1966).
Imam Sayuti, Ibn Arabi, and Ibn Hajar have all clearly affirmed that in his second advent, the Messiah would be a prophet. Basing himself on a statement by Imam Sayuti, Nawab Siddique Hasan Khan Sahib wrote:
He who asserts that Hazrat Isa, when he comes down will not be a prophet and would be deprived of his prophethood is certainly a disbeliever as Imam Jalaludin Sayuti has clearly affirmed, inasmuch as Hazrat Isa is a Prophet and a prophet is not deprived of his quality of prophethood either in his lifetime or after his death. (Hujajul Karamah, p.431)
Shaikh Ibn Arabi has said:
There is no difference of opinion on the question that Hazrat Isa is a Prophet and a Messenger and it is agreed that he would appear in the latter days and his prophethood is well established (Futuhat Makkiyyah, Vol.II, p.3)
Shaikh Ibn Hajar wrote:
Hazrat Isa is an honored Prophet. After he comes down he would still be a Prophet and Messenger. An affirmation by a person of no account that he will be only a member of the Muslim community is not correct, inasmuch as he being one of the Muslims and his giving effect to the Islamic law is not inconsistent with his being a Prophet and a Messenger. (Alfatawa Alhadisiyyak, p.129)
Thus, it is the united stand of the Muslims that at the time of his second advent the Messiah will still be clothed with the robe of prophethood and that this would not be inconsistent with the verse which describes the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, as Khataman Nabiyyeen (33:41).
How unjust, therefore, it is that despite the belief that Jesus of Nazareth will descend from heaven in his capacity of the Messiah of Israel and that he will be a Prophet and that this would not disrupt the Seal of Prophethood, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, who claimed to be a follower of the Holy Prophet and a Prophet by way of reflection and declared his purpose to be perfect obedience to the Holy Prophet, should be held to have been outside the pale of Islam on account of this claim.
Answer to Mr Haris Zuberi.
THE BELIEF that the last prophet, Muhammad (saw), has already come and gone and the assertion that Jesusas would descend to earth as a prophet after him are so inconsistent that they cannot be owned simultaneously. In fact this cocktail of two unrelated issues was made by some Ulema of the late medieval times. At the time of the revelation of the Holy Quran any connection between the two was unthinkable.
For the sake of the unfamiliar non-Muslim reader we need to explain the historical background of this issue lest they should fail to understand what the row is all about. The verse () Khatamun-Nabiyyeen is one of the most fundamental verses of the Quran which is profoundly rich in meaning and contains many possible connotations. But none of its connotations can even remotely be related to the so-called ascent of Jesus Christas. Hence the Mullah’s plea that Jesusas was lifted to the fourth heaven because this verse of finality was to be revealed by God is absolutely ridiculous and melodramatic. This so-called bodily ascent of Jesus has nothing to do with this verse nor with any verse in the Quran. The idea of raising Jesus Christas to heaven had never occurred to God. The entire Quran and the traditions of the Holy Prophetsa absolve God of this absurdity by a total absence of any such reference to the ascent of Jesusas. For the Mullahs to maintain that God had lifted him to forestall the problem created by this verse is a blatant lie and an unfounded allegation against the Quran. Thus it is the Mullah who is creating the problem himself and resolving it in the name of God. To bind this unfounded conjecture to one of the most fundamental verses of the Quran is an act of abomination. The reasons which motivate the medievalist clergy to do this and the deceptive manner in which they attempt to fuse these absolutely unrelated issues is the main subject of discussion here. Having familiarized the reader with the background, now we proceed to tell the tale of the Mullah’s desperation. With this in mind we hope that the reader will fully understand that which follows.
DESPITE THE FACT that the imagined ascent or descent of Jesusas has nothing to do with the independent declaration of the Holy Prophet’ssa finality, the clergy still assert that there is a definite link between the two. Prophet Jesusas, son of Mary, they insist, will be personally brought back from the heavens because no new prophet can be raised after Prophet Muhammadsa. This ingenious device of bringing an old prophet back to earth instead of raising one from the Ummah to meet the new need may seem highly laudable to the Muslim orthodoxy but their enthusiasm cannot be shared by ordinary humans. No one with an iota of common sense can attribute this cheap act of trickstering to God the Almighty, the All-Wise. Only the Mullahs can and this exactly is what they attempt to do. By connecting the return of Jesusas with the finality of the Holy Prophetsa, they think that they have rescued God from the consequences of a premature declaration of finality. Thus, the clergy believes that they have saved God from a grave dilemma of contradiction. This has to be the brainchild of a half-wit Mullah to whom it rightly belongs. The promise of finality to any prophet by God, despite His knowledge that it could not be kept, is inconceivable of Him. To make a show of keeping the promise by bringing an old prophet after the demise of the last one is sheer mockery. Thus, judging God by his own standards, the Mullah first attributes a shameful act of contradiction to Him, then comes forward to help Him save His face from it. This blatant attempt is not made without a purpose. To the Mullah it is a great idea having multiple advantages.
It saves the life of Jesus from an ignoble death upon the cross and frustrates his enemies’ attempts to prove him false. Imagine their exasperation at finding Jesus escape their clutches by vanishing into thin air (if there is any air at all in the fourth heaven where he is assumed to have ascended). But this measure must also have created another small problem for God. When and why he should be brought back to earth must have been the question. After all he could not be left abandoned in his heavenly confine till Doomsday. As far as God is concerned the problem does not exist. As far as the Mullah is concerned the problem is created by him to hide his own contradiction of believing in the finality of the Holy Prophetsa, as well as believing in the re-advent of Jesusas as a prophet after him. That is the only reason why he connects the verse of Khatamun-Nabiyyeen with the imaginary ascent of Jesusas. He does it with a cunning deceitfulness which cannot be detected by the ordinary Muslim masses. The following is the case he builds:
1. Jesus was lifted to heaven with a purpose and will be brought back finally to earth.
2. The coming of an old prophet after the last one had appeared would not break the seal of his finality.
3. The need for a new prophet in the latter days will be fulfilled without creating any dilemma of contradiction in God’s Decree.
There are some who kill two birds with one stone but the orthodoxy seems to know how to kill three with one! In reality however, by shifting the twist of their own mind to that of God, they commit an unpardonable act of blasphemy.
hmadi Muslims hold the unique belief that Jesus (peace be upon him) survived the crucifixion and travelled towards India to continue his ministry among the Lost Tribes of Israel. Furthermore, they claim that his tomb, containing his body, has been recently re-discovered in India where it can be seen to this day. Ahmadi Muslims also assert that this belief is not only upheld by the Holy Quran and the Sayings of Muhammad sa, but even by the Holy Bible itself.
Ahmadi Muslims believe that Jesus as was a Prophet of God born to the Virgin Mary and was the Messiah of the Israelites as foretold by Moses as.
Jesus Life before crucifixion
Mary — A Righteous Servant of God
The Holy Quran affirms the virgin birth of Jesus, and repudiates the notion that Mary was not pious and that her birth was illegitimate. The Quran narrates Mary’s statement to an angel: “How can I have a child when no man has touched me and neither have I been unchaste?” (19:21)
Moreover, it is on account of her piety that Chapter 19 in the Quran is named after her, and all pious Muslims are likened to her.
A Very Rare Phenomenon
The virgin birth of Jesus was a miracle, no doubt. But according to the Ahmadiyya Muslim view, miracles always work in accordance with God’s laws, no matter how limited our understanding of those laws are. Modern science has only just begun to study this rare phenomenon.
For example, In lower animals rare instances of virgin births have been well documented, representing a complete surprise to zoologists. There are even reports — albeit scattered — of fatherless human conceptions.
Of course, research continues and the mention of these phenomena is only given here to demonstrate that what was once considered impossible can indeed be plausible.
The Term “Son of God”
While the term “Son of God” has been used in reference to Jesus, it should be noted that God has used this title for many of His chosen ones.
For example, God, in the Old Testament refers to David: “I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, ‘You are my Son; today I have begotten you’” * (Psalm 2:7)
Furthermore, in a New Testament genealogy, Adam is listed as the “Son of God” (Luke 3.38). In fact, some may argue that Adam could have a greater claim over the “Sonship of God” because, unlike Jesus, he had neither an earthly father nor mother.
In order to reconcile these references and many others, it is not unreasonable to conclude, that the Biblical usage of the term “Son of God” does not necessarily connote a literal “sonship to God” but a metaphorical one instead.
The Nature of Jesus
This metaphorical understanding is furthered by Jesus’ own words and actions. Jesus is known to have engaged in many human devotional activities such as fasting and praying. But perhaps the most significant evidence is that Jesus claimed to lack knowledge of the future because, as he claimed, only the Father possessed perfect knowledge. (Mark 13:32).
This is especially notable since Christian doctrine holds the view that Jesus’ nature is a “hypostatic union”. That is, he was “fully divine” and “fully man” at the same time. If this were true, then he should have at no point denied his own omniscience.
These, in addition to other philosophical considerations, lead one to question the biblical term “Son of God” and its literal application to Jesus.
The Miracles of Jesus in the Holy Quran
The Holy Quran narrates several miracles of Jesus, including his ability to create birds, to cure ailments including blindness and raise the dead to life (Quran 3:50).
Ahmadi Muslims interpret these particular signs metaphorically. The people who accepted Jesus soared high like birds into the spiritual firmament above worldly, base concerns. Similarly in the metaphoric sense, he restored sight to the spiritually blind and life to the spiritually dead.
Jesus himself called the enemies of his day “blind” because of their hypocritical nature in matters of faith (Matthew 23:26). The very nature of his words about healing convey a spiritual change, not physical. It should also be remembered that Jesus spoke in parables, such as the famous line, “let the dead bury their dead” (Matthew 8:22).
The Holy Quran also describes disbelievers as deaf, dumb and blind (Quran 2:19) and the Holy Prophet (SAW) offered them ‘life’ and revival from such death (Quran 8:25).
Literal Interpretations
Indeed, it is difficult to insist on the literal interpretation of all Biblical miracles. Even the authoritative Harper’s Bible Commentary goes as far as to recommend that the following miracle relating to the resurrection be ignored.
The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.(Matthew 27:52-53)
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, expounds upon the significance of these verses in his landmark book, Jesus in India. He explains that the Bible is actually relating the details of a spiritual vision. And in the language of visions, if anyone sees “that the dead have come out of the graves and have made for their homes, the interpretation is that a prisoner would be released from his bondage, and that he would be rescued from the hands of his persecutors.” Incidentally, this interpretation is also corroborated by Gustavus Miller’s book, 10,000 Dreams Interpreted.
Ironically, while Christian scholars were advising against deriving any value from certain verses of the Bible, a Muslim, who claimed to be the Promised Messiah, would come to the Bible’s defense by illustrating some of the metaphorical beauties it contained.
Miracles and Divinity
Furthermore, it should remembered that Elijah also raised the dead to life (I Kings 17:19-22). It is difficult to make an argument about the divinity of Jesus therefore, unless one considers Elijah also divine. The argument that Jesus did the miracles with his own power, whereas God worked through Elijah, is contradicted by the New Testament itself. Acts (2:22) states: ‘Ye men of Israel hear these words, Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved by God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you’.
The geographic scope of Jesus’ mission was confined to where the Israelites lived. Jesus even said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24).
The Israelites followed the Torah, and Jesus came to revive the true spirit of the Torah in the hearts of the Israelites and clear any misunderstandings. He was a follower of Moses and did not change or reject the Mosaic law. The New Testament states Jesus came only to fulfill the Law and not abolish it (Matthew 5:17).
Lost Tribes in Afghanistan
Of the twelve tribes of Israel, only two remained in their homeland. The remaining ten tribes became known as the lost tribes or lost sheep of Israel, since they never returned back home. Most of the tribes settled in Afghanistan, northern India, and as far as China. Therefore, It was thus imperative for Jesus to minister in these areas by travelling there.
Today, there is a good body of evidence showing that certain peoples of Afghanistan and India and neighboring areas are of Israelite heritage. This is based on their own written and oral traditions, physical features, language, folklore, monuments, and customs. Most even call themselves ‘bani Israel’ or ‘children of Israel’.
Truth about Jesus
Birth of Jesus
In Islam, Mary is described as a pious and righteous woman who symbolizes righteous believers blessed with Divine inspiration. Islam then affirms the fatherless birth of Jesus and rejects outright the opposing claim that his birth was illegitimate.
Whereas, Islam recognizes the virgin birth of Jesus as a miraculous event, it does not consider it unnatural; the laws of nature are never broken. It just reflects the inability of man to fully understand the science behind various phenomena observed in nature. Numerous scientists have explained the virgin births.
In Islam, the immaculate conception of Jesus is not interpreted to mean that he was in some way a Divine Being. He was still a human being (Qur’an 19:31).
Divinity of Jesus
Islam presents Jesus as a human who believed in the absolute Unity and Indivisibility of God (Qur’an 3:52).
Muslims consider the doctrine of Divinity of Jesus and Trinity as later changes to the teachings of Jesus. The New Testament itself furnishes abundant evidence to show that Jesus was only a human being whom God chose for the reformation of His people, and repeatedly contradicts the Divinity of Jesus. Jesus always referred to himself as having been sent by God (John 17:3) and his followers, too, considered him a man approved by God (Qur’an 19:37; Acts 2:22, John 3:2).
He was undoubtedly called the son of God, but this title has only been employed metaphorically and in fact is used for all the chosen ones of God (Matt 5:9, Exodus 4:22). The literal connotation of ‘son of God’ as a Divine Being and hence the subsequent development of Trinity Dogma was the result of Hellenistic influences on Christianity as it spread in the Gentile world. The Semitic usage of ‘son of God’ was misunderstood and forgotten and disputes about the exact status of Jesus erupted, as recorded in the early Church history.
Jesus prayed to God like all other God-fearing individuals (Luke 5:16), and engaged in spiritual exercises such as fasting (Matt 4:2). Furthermore, Jesus lacked knowledge of the future (Mark 13:32), as only the Divine Being possesses perfect and complete knowledge.
Mission of Jesus
The mission of Jesus was confined to the Children of Israel (Qur’an 3:50, Matt. 10:5-6; 15:24). He was commissioned by God to revive the true spirit of the Torah in the hearts of the Israelites and clear any misunderstandings about the Law. He purified and revitalized Judaism. As Jesus was a follower of Moses, he did not change or reject the Mosaic Law. He had come to fulfill the Law (Matt 5:17).
Miracles of Jesus
The Holy Qur’an mentions several miracles of Jesus, including his ability to create birds, his ability to cure the leprous and the blind, and raising the dead to life. The ability to create birds is a metaphor meaning ordinary people who accepted the teachings of Jesus were spiritually transformed into birds soaring high into the lofty regions of the spiritual firmament above all worldly concerns. The healing powers can also be understood in the spiritual sense. He restored sight to those people who were spiritually blind, and gave life to those spiritually dead. Jesus specifically referred to the Pharisees of his day as being blind because, among other maladies, they were hypocritical in nature.
Indeed, all reformers from God are spiritual physicians since the disbelievers are deaf, dumb and blind according to Islam (Qur’an 2:19).
Crucifixion of Jesus
The disbelievers of Jesus wished to bring about his death upon the cross for the purpose of calling him accursed in accordance with the pronouncement in Deut 21:23 which declares, “he that is hanged is accursed of God.” His death on the cross would thus confirm him as a false Messiah. Islam contradicts the assertion that Jesus died an accursed death on the cross.
Thus, Ahmadi Muslims believe that God frustrated the plan of the disbelievers of Jesus. Although Jesus was nailed to the cross, he did not perish on it. He was removed from the cross in a state of unconsciousness (Qur’an 4:158). The Gospels, too, provide extensive evidence of his escape from the accursed death on the cross.
According to Islam, Jesus did not preach salvation through atonement of sins by his death on the cross. This philosophy of someone atoning for the sins of another is emphatically rejected in the Old Testament as well (Deut. 24:16, Ezekiel 18:2 and 20).
Ahmadi Muslims believe that Jesus came under the care of his devoted followers after he was removed from the cross. He was placed in the tomb where he recovered from his ordeal. The Gospels too describe that Jesus was still in his earthly body of flesh and bones after emerging from the tomb (Luke 24:39). An analysis of the post-crucifixion period described in the Gospels reveals that Jesus led a low-profile existence. He hurriedly traveled away from the locality of the crucifixion (Qur’an 23:51; Matt 28:10, Mark 16:7).
Migration to the East
Ahmadi Muslims believe that the physical ascension of Jesus to Heaven is a later interpolation. The term “heaven” is used for spiritual bliss which the righteous enjoy after a mortal life.
Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matt. 15:24). Out of twelve tribes of Israel, only two were in the region where Jesus preached. The other ten tribes, as a result of exile, were domiciled in the eastern countries, especially in Afghanistan and Kashmir. It was imperative for Jesus to migrate eastwards to complete his mission.
There is overwhelming evidence that the people of Afghanistan, Kashmir and neighbouring regions are of Israelite ancestry. Their physical features, languages, folklore, customs, and festivals attest to their Israelite heritage. Evidence also comes from the names they give to their villages, their monuments, and ancient historical works and inscriptions.
Kashmir
Jesus in India
The presence of Jesus in India is recorded in the ancient Indian literature, and records of Kashmir. Jesus came to Kashmir from the Holy Land during the reign of Raja Gopadatta (49-109 AD) to proclaim his prophethood to the Israelites. He was known as Yusu (Jesus) of the children of Israel. It is recorded that great number of people recognized his holiness and piety and became his disciples.
Tomb of JesusAccording to Ahmadi Muslims, Jesus’ mission was completed. He died a natural death at the approximate age of 120 in Kashmir, India. (Hadith: Kanzul Imal) The tomb of Jesus, known as the tomb of Prophet Yus Asaf, still exists in the Khanyar quarter of the city of Srinagar, Kashmir. It has been venerated for centuries. The local inhabitants refer to the tomb as Rauzabal, meaning “The Honoured Tomb”.
Companions of the Holy Prophet Agreed on the death of Jesus
It is said that for 1400 years nobody but we could spot the truth about the death of Jesus. All the doctors and teachers of Islam remained ignorant of it. The suggestion is that the consensus of early Muslims does not favour the view which we teach on the subject. But those, who indulge in this sarcasm, forget that the first exponents of Islam are the Companions of the Holy Prophet. The Companions first expounded the beliefs and practices of Islam to others. Then these others became the teachers of Islam, spreading to parts of the world. Now, as far as the Companions are concerned, they are at one in teaching what we think today about Jesus. And could they have taught anything else? Could they have taught a belief derogatory to the Holy Prophet? Not only are the Companions at one with us; but the first formal affirmation on which the Companions of the Holy Prophet collectively resolved themselves was the truth of the death of Jesus.
The first Ijma of the Companions set its seal on his death. For, in the recorded Traditions we find that when the Holy Prophet died, the Companions became stupefied with grief. They could not move. Nor utter a word. Some were so deeply affected that they died a few days later, unable to bear the pangs of separation. Omar, of all persons, was so afflicted by grief that he made up his mind not to believe the Prophet had died. He unsheathed his sword and declared that whoever said the Prophet was dead would lose his head. He began to say the Holy Prophet had disappeared temporarily from their midst, even as Moses had disappeared on a Call from God. Moses returned to his people after forty days, so would the Holy Prophet. On return, the Holy Prophet would hold to account all those who had said unworthy things about him and had behaved hypocritically towards him. He would even put them to death or order their crucifixion. Omar was solemn and determined. None of the Companions dared to resist and deny what he said. Some were even persuaded by Omar’s declaration. They began to think, the Prophet had not died. Because of this, their dejection changed to delight. The signs of it were on their faces. Those, who had their heads bowed with grief, who could also see far into the future, sent out one of them to fetch Abu Bakr. Abu Bakr was not in Medina when the Holy Prophet died. The Holy Prophet had permitted him to go, because his condition seemed to have improved. This Companion had hardly left the town when he saw Abu Bakr coming. On seeing Abu Bakr, the Companion could not contain himself. Tears rolled down. No word was necessary. Abu Bakr understood what had happened. He asked the Companion,
“Has the Prophet died?”
In reply, the Companion not only confirmed the sad news but also told Abu Bakr what Omar had been saying that `whoever should say the Prophet had died would lose his head!’ Abu Bakr heard this and at once made for the place where the Holy Prophet’s dead body lay. He lifted the mantle from over him and knew at once that he had died. The pain of separation from his beloved friend and leader made his eyes wet. He bent low and kissed the Prophet’s forehead and said:
“By God, you will not suffer more than one death. The loss mankind have suffered by your death is greater than the loss they have suffered by the death of any other prophet. You need no praises, and mourning cannot reduce the pangs of separation. If we could but avert your end, we would have done so, with our lives.”
Abu Bakr said this, and covered the Prophet’s face; then went to the spot where Omar was speaking to the Companions. Omar, of course, was telling them that the Prophet had not died; but had only disappeared temporarily. Abu Bakr asked Omar to stop for a time and let him speak to the assembly. Omar did not stop but went on. Abu Bakr turned to some of the Companions and started telling them, the Holy Prophet had really died. Other Companions turned to Abu Bakr and began to listen to him. Omar also was compelled to listen. Abu Bakr recited from the Holy Quran:
“The Holy Prophet was but a prophet. There had been prophets before him and they had all died. If he also should die or be put to death, would they turn back upon him?” (Al-Imran: 145)
“Thou (O Muhammad) are surely going to die and they surely are going to die.” (Al-Zumar: 31)
“O ye men, whoever amongst you worshipped Muhammad, let him know that Muhammad is dead, and whoever amongst you worshipped Allah, let him know that Allah is Living, there is no death for Him.” (Bukhari, Volume 2, Chapter Manaqibe Abu Bakr)
When Abu Bakr recited the verses of the Holy Quran and pointed to their meaning, the Companions realised what had happened. The Prophet had died. They began to cry. Omar is reported to have said that when Abu Bakr recited the verses out of the Holy Quran, and when their meaning suddenly dawned upon him, it seemed as though the verses had been revealed on that day, at that moment. His legs could no longer support him. He staggered and fell down in a paroxysm of grief.
This account of what passed between the Companions at the Holy Prophet’s death proves three important things:
Firstly, it proves that the first formal and collective expression of opinion upon which the Companions resolved after the death of the Holy Prophet was that all prophets before the Holy Prophet had died. There was no exception. If the Companions present on this solemn occasion thought that some earlier prophets had not died, they would have stood up and pointed to the exceptions. They could have said that at least Jesus had been alive in Heaven for 600 years. It was wrong to say that all the earlier prophets had died. If some could remain alive, why not the Holy Prophet?
Secondly, it proves that the belief of the Companions that the earlier prophets had died was not a matter of opinion with the Companions. It was a truth recorded in the Holy Quran and taught clearly by the Holy Book. When Abu Bakr recited the verses, the Companions received them without demur. If the truth of the death of the earlier prophets was not contained in these verses, they could have said that, although the earlier prophets had really died, the verses recited by Abu Bakr were not relevant. The fact, therefore, that Abu Bakr recited the verse, “And there had been (other) prophets before him,” to prove the death of earlier prophets, and the fact that the Companions, who heard this verse and heard Abu Bakr’s argument based upon the verse, not only remained silent but began to rejoice over it and went about the town reciting it, proved beyond doubt that the Companions agreed entirely with Abu Bakr’s interpretation of the verse.
Thirdly, it proves that whether or not the Companions believed in the death of other prophets, they had no idea at all that Jesus was alive in Heaven. All accounts of this important incident and the important speeches made on the occasion show that even Omar, in the height of excitement, threatening to kill those who should say that Prophet had died, could cite the analogy only of Moses who disappeared for forty days from amongst his people. Even Omar did not cite the analogy of Jesus. If the Companions had any idea whatever that Jesus was alive in heaven, could not Omar, or the Companions who thought like him, have cited the analogy of Jesus? The fact that they cited only the analogy of Moses proves that they had not the slightest idea that Jesus had not died, or that he had even had an experience similar to that of Moses.
I dont understand that Prophet (PBUH) is an example for whole mankind. He prayed for the people of Taif when they were throwing stone on Him (PBUH) and made him bleed. He forgave the kaifar-e-Makkah, then why does the Mullah and so called “Alim” are asking people to kill others. Where is sunnah now, why these so called “Alims” are forcing innocent people to kill humans on the name of Almighty Allah and his beloved prophet Mohammad (PBUH). I live in Canada and see Muslims here converting into Christains and Atheists. The Christain missionaries are preaching peace of Jesus everywhere and our Mullahs preaching hatred, killing. Don’t you think that what “Suleman Rushide” pointed was these “Satanic” people (Mullahs)who have hijacked the religion ISLAM. There are some pack of people who are exploiting the peaceful religion which teaches “Masawat” equality, justice and peace. These Mullahs are brainwashing the innocent Muslims with their satanic agenda which says to kill the people. This is not ISLAM speaking its “SATAN”. Because no religion preaches hatred except “SATANIC” and ISLAM is no SATANIC. Y’all people use your mind and logic that ALLAH has given you not these MULLAHS who are using us for their own benefits, like getting money from “SALAFIS” Saudis and other radical sects. IF you think that saudis are the MUSLIMS then go and see there way of living. They are living in a kingdom which is prohibited in ISLAM, as ISLAM makes ALLAH the supreme power and KALIFA as a man of ALLAH that is answerable to the people as Hazrat Omer Bin Khitab to his people and other Caliphs. My advise listen to ALLAH and read Holy QURAN, and you will find the TRUTH
Thats good that someone take action. I was thinking about his bloody persons from two years but today i appriciate to take an action against him. We should spread this to every one at least to each muslim.
http://www.pkcolumns.com/2008/09/10/amir-liaqat-ka-asli-chehra/
This is what Amir Liaqat said about Sahaba:
http://www.pkcolumns.com/columns/videos/amir1.rm
Dear Qadiani Brothers: First of all, the basis of your ‘religion’ depends upon you proving that Jesus (PBUH) is dead, which is unfortunately, never considered by any Muslim to be a part of Faith (Imaan). And if by any chance someone is lured to believe that, the utter confusion and filty language used by Mirza Qadiani in all of his books spills the beans. I pray to Allah to give all the Qadiani brothers the resolve to read the books of Mirza Qadiani on their own websites and take a look at the language their ‘promised massiah’ is using and diagonally opposite views he is giving and see the light of the day. Ameen.
Though I dont like Aamir Liaquat Hussain but this time whatever he said is truth and I totally agree with him.
The following was written by Kalifa II of Ahamdis and also the PROMISED Refromer OF ISLAM and son of the Promised Messiah and also his Promised Son:
Pages 59 onwards 62
If I have misquoted this great man or quoted out of context the reader may decide.
I have had enough of accusations from Saqib and Bilal about quoting out of context, here is the original.
Let’s see who is a LIAR AND FABRICATOR ME OR KHALIFAS OF AHMADIYYAT!!!!!
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Truth-about-the-Split.pdf
“As for the question of Kufr (unbelief) of non-
Ahmadi Muslims, my belief is that Kufr really arises
from a denial of God. Hence, whenever there comes
any revelation from God of such a nature that its
acceptance is obligatory on every man, a rejection of
the same leads to Kufr. Belief in such a revelation,
however, presupposes belief in the bearer of the
revelation. Hence it follows that a belief in the bearer
of such revelation is a necessary part of one’s faith.
The man who rejects a Prophet thus necessarily
becomes a kafir, not because he denies the truth of
any particular Prophet X or Y, but such denial will
necessarily lead him to reject a revelation of God. To
me, the Kufr which arises from the denial of any Nabi
has its basis in this principle and not in any personal
quality of the Nabi. And inasmuch as the revelation of
which the acceptance is obligatory on mankind comes
only through Prophets, it is the rejection of such
recipients of Divine revelation, and not of others that
leads to unbelief. Now, as we hold that the revelation
which came to the Promised Messiahas are such that
their acceptance is obligatory on mankind in general,
to us, the man who rejects the Promised Messiahas is a
kafir agreeably to the teachings of the Holy Quran,
although he may well be a believer in all the other
truths of religion because the presence even of one of
the necessary conditions of Kufr is sufficient to make
a man kafir. I may however add that in my opinion
Kufr arises from a denial of one or more of the
fundamental articles of religion, not because such a
denial makes a man the object of unending
punishment, but because the denial makes him guilty
of rebellion against God and leads to the extinction of
his spiritual life. Now, as Islam bases its judgments
Truth about the Split 61
upon what is patent and not upon what is possible, it
cannot but class as kafir such as fail to accept any of
the Prophets, even though such failure may be due to
their want of information concerning him. In the latter
case, they will not, of course, be the objects of Divine
punishment. The denial would be due to causes
altogether beyond their control. It is in accordance
with the same principle that Muslims have so long
with one accord designated as kuffar all those who
have not accepted the faith of Islam, without taking
into consideration the question whether or not such
failure is occasioned by want of adequate information
concerning the Holy Prophetsa. And the doctor is yet
to be born who will class in the category of Muslims
the Esquimaux of the North Pole, the Red Indians of
America, the Hottentots of Africa or the Maoris of
Australia, or those millions of Christians, who living
in central Europe or in other out of the way places
have not yet heard anything regarding the teachings of
the Holy Prophetsa.”
@Bilal
It is an old mirzai tactic to start discussing something else to divert the discussion. I again put below the passage from which I conclude that Mirza Sb says it is difficult for pious Ahmadis to differentiate between having intercourse with their wife and between loving Allah:
Uss Jahan mein jau ek shaks apni biwi sey muhabbat aur ikhtlaat karey gaa woh iss baat mein faraq nahin kar sakey ga keh woh apni bivi sey muhabbat aur ikhtilaat karta hey ya muhabbat-e-Ilahia key darya-e bey payan mein gharq hey aur waslaan-e-Hazrat Izzat per issi jahaan mein yeh kaifiat taari ho jaati hey.
This is translated as below:
” in the afterworld a person who would love and have intercourse with his wife will be unable to differentiate if he made love to his wife or if he was indulged into immense love of God. And those who get in contact with Almighty, experience the same feeling even in this world”
I once again invite all Ahmadis and Muslims to read this passage and then look at the “NO” of Mr Bilal and say together Laanat Allahe Alal Kazibeen.
@Haris Zuberi,
1. I am still not clear what YOUR belief is in regards to Jesus (AS)? Is he dead or alive? I need a clear answer in this regard. You have again chosen to paste material from a website to show what your belief is in regards to Jesus, but that link only says that they are not sure if he is alive or dead. So are YOU also not sure if he is dead or alive. Make it clear. You might say in an effort to shy away from this topic that this is not one of the articles of faith in Islam. My response to such statement is that this is an important issue from which many other important issues of Islamic faith are stemmed. So what exactly is your belief in regards to Jesus (AS) death. If you are not sure, then you don’t have any justification or right to claim Ahmadis as non-Muslims who are sure of their faith. If you can’t discuss this issue of Jesus (AS) apparent ascension then you better stop boasting about your faith and stop playing god here and calling Ahmadis as non-Muslims.
2. You again copy pasted a passage from the writings of Hadhrat Mirza Bashir-ud-Din, the second caliph of the Promised Messiah (AS) for a reason that is beyond my comprehension. It seems from your posts that you do these actions without any prior research from the Holy Quran. You just copy things from anti-Ahmadiyya websites and paste them here without realising the consequences of your actions later.
NSo in regards to the same passage you have quoted as “non-sense”, I would ask you a simple question and see if you are able to answer that in a civilised and a mature way.
Question. What is the verdict of Quran on someone who rejects a true prophet of God? I need the verdict of Quran on the issue and not a verdict given by an illiterate Mullah on the subject.
3. Once again your allegation that Promised Messiah (AS) used desreptful language against Jesus (AS) is baseless and I have already given the link that clears this LIE, DECEIT and FRAUD perpetrated by the arrogant anti-Ahmadiyya brigade. So don’t change the topic and answer this question.
QUESTION: If someone rejects a true prophet of God as you are claiming regarding Shias that they reject Jesus (AS), what is the verdict of Quran regarding such people? Are they considered to be Muslims or Kafir according to Quran? You say they are not considered to be non-Muslims even after rejecting Jesus (AS) as Messiah, so whose verdict is that? Quran’s or that of Mullahs’?
I need clear and civilised answers from you this time. I hope you will be able to use your own mind this time and do some research from the Holy Quran rather than an anti-Ahmadiyya website. So answer me straight. We will resolve the issues one by one. Okay!!!
Bilal
@Newobserver,
Once again I see you shying away from answering any counter questions that I pose to you in response to your filthy, arrogant, and dishonest posts. When you post things out of context and try to give a wrong understanding of what they truly mean, then you should be ready to answer the questions that are posed to you in the same way. So I will try again one more time and paste my earlier response to you and hope that you will be man enough to answer them in the same way you want answers from me ie. in YES or NO.
I read the writings of the Promised Messiah with pure, unprejudiced, honest and open heart. When I read his writings with in the context, I find nothing but pearls of wisdom. I showed you earlier how tactfully you ignored to pointout earlier that the passages were explaining the verses of the Holy Quran. You still seem to redicule and refuse to acknowledge openly that the way Promised Messiah (AS) has explained those verses from the Chapter Al-Momiminoon are unparallel.
Your three questions show your total lack of understanding of the passages or your total refusal to understand them. I however understand them and understand the philosophy behind those words. You seem to take everything from the writings of the Promsised Messiah on their face value and refuse to understand the wisdom behind them. So using your same mentality, let me ask you to answer me in yes/no to these questions regarding Quranic verses in the same way you have posed questions in regards to the writings of Promised Messiah (AS):
1. Did Allah say in the Holy Quran that He turned those who were cursed into apes and swine? YES/NO
2. Does Quran say Noah was 950 years old? YES/NO
3. Does Quran say your wives are your “tilth”? YES/NO
4. Does Quran say that man is created from clay? YES/NO
5. Does Quran say that we will have rivers of wine in heaven? YES/NO
I am sure now you will try to UNDERSTAND these verses (I hope, if you don’t interpret Quran like some of the illiterate Mullah) and you wouldn’t just take them on face value. To me all these verses make perfect sense because I am not dishonest when reading these verses.
If the answer to any of the above questions is yes, then you must redicule these verses of the Holy Quran in the same way you want to redicule the writings of the Promised Messiah (AS). You must refuse to UNDERSTAND the verses in the same way as you do when you read the writings of Promised Messiah (AS). Waiting for your rational and calm response.
Bilal
any answer to my question!
is it permitted in your religion to have sex with a woman prisoner of war?
only say YES or NO, pls
Hello,
I don’t understand why you ppl saying against Amir, I am not his fan too but wrong he has said here…. nothing. Just narating the constitution; just telling the reality of khatam-e-naboowat.
@Christopher is it permitted in YOUR religion to do what they did to Dr Aafia Sidique at Bagram Base Detention Center?
@Christopher,
I don’t know how exactly is your question related to the thread under discussion. Anyway, as far as my study of Holy Quran goes, any sexual relationship outside marriage is forbidden in Islam. If you have any particular verse of the Holy Quran that apparently permit sex outside marriage then please let me know. I will have a look at that.
Bilal
let me give u all a simple history lesson,,Ahmadis are followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.the Ahmadiyyahs split into two sects, the Qadianis and the Lahorites. The Qadianis claimed that Ghulam was a prophet, and accused all muslims who did not accept him, as being kuffar (non-muslims),
evrybody pick up the koran and u will find the teachings of Allah talla and oneness of God and prophet Muhammed (saw) is the last and final messenager of Allah (swt).
Islam is the Religion of Peace.ISLAM never teaches Hatred.No True Muslims Hate any one nor Ahamadiyya people.The ahamadies are not muslims, they are propogating islam in the wrong way that is what the matter of concern is. We want them to accept the truth that Muhammad (Pbuh) is the final messenger of Almighty ALLAH.But they do not Accept the truth.
I Hope Almighty AllAH will give Ahamadiyya people Hidaya & make them follow the true Religion, in its true way
@fareeha,
Ahmadi Muslims consider Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as the last law bearing prophet and Quran as the last Book of guidence. As far as the possibility of a subordinate prophet of the Holy Prophet is concerned, Quran doesn’t deny any such possibility. On the contrary, Quran gives the example of people the past who kept same belief regarding the Finality of prophethood as you and your fellow non-Ahmadi Muslims hold. Quran reminds us of such people in the following words:
And Joseph did come to you before with clear proofs, but you ceased not to be in doubt concerning that with which he came to you till, when he died, you said: ‘ALLAH WILL NEVER RAISE UP MESSENGER AFTER HIM.’ Thus does Allah adjudge as lost those who TRANSGRESS, (and) are DOUBTERS. (Al Quran: 40:34/35)
So the reason why we don’t want to follow your interpretation is that we don’t want to be declared as transgressors in the eyes of God. Think about it.
Secondly, how would you interpret the following verse of Holy Quran where Allah Almighty makes it clear that the true obedient servants of God and Holy Prophet (PBUH) would be bestowed the honours in the form of even Prophethood by Allah Almighty:
AND WHOSO OBEYS ALLAH AND THIS MESSENGER SHALL BE AMONG THOSE ON WHOM ALLAH HAS BESTOWED HIS BLESSINGS, NAMELY: THE PROPHETS, THE TRUTHFUL, THE MARTYRS AND THE RIGHTEOUS, AND EXCELLENT COMPANIONS ARE THESE. (Al Quran 4:69/70)
If you can answer this question rationally and logically then you have the right to call others towards your interpretation of Holy Quran. If you can’t then not only you have to stop playing God on earth, you will have to consider Ahmadiyya interpretation of Holy Quran very seriously and even consider accepting the truth (that will only be possible if you have the righteousness and honesty to accept and acknowledge the truth in a dignified manner)
Bilal
Bilal
You must either have the reading comprehension age of a 5 year old or you are a bigger liar than Mirza Mahmood Ahmad and his father put together.
I have never said that Shias reject Jesus as pbuh and nor would I ever suggest such a thing.
If you are trying to sow sectarian strife among Muslims then you will FAIL.
I NEVER COPIED AND PASTED FROM ANTI AHMADIYYA SITES.
I GAVE A QUOTE AND A LINK TO THE ORIGINAL SOURCE ON THE ALISLAM WEBSITE.
IT IS YOU THAT IS MAKING DISHONEST STATEMENTS.
HOW MUCH MORE ORIGINAL CAN YOU GET THAN THAT.
If I have quoted out of context then the reader is free to read 10 pages prior and after the quote I have made in order to determine if I am quoting out of context, but I can assure I know when this book was written and for what purpose. So LIE all you like.
As regards to your question about the denial of PROPHETHOOD. Yes the deniar of a Prophet is A KAFFIR.
HOWEVER your sect claims that what they mean by KAFFIR IS KAFFIR in the 4 WALLS OF ISLAM.
MY EXTRACT PROVES THAT THIS CLAIM IS A LIE.
ALSO BILAL, a question for you.
If someone claims to prophet and he is rejected among muslims, then what is the status of this individual and his followers w.r.t to those muslims that rejected him.
The answer is that they are fabricators and outside the PALE OF ISLAM. Hence the ruling by the PAKISTANI government was for once correct.
@Harris and Bilal,
Do you know what a KAAFIR means? In Arabic, a KAAFIR does not mean a NON-MUSLIM, it only means a REJECTIONIST, someone who has rejected something.
Can you both, clarify what do you mean when you call each other as KAAFIR. I clarify…
Bilal, do you mean that those you rejected your prophet are outside the scope of Islam or that they are KAAFIR in the sense that they did not accept your prophet.
Haris, do you mean that Ahmedis are outside the scope of Islam or that they are KAAFIR in the sense that they reject finality of the prophethood of the Holy Prophet?
If either of you means that the other is outside the ambit of Islam, can you please let us all know who on this earth has given you the right to decide about these matters?
Janaab Aamir Sahab.
Ager ahmedies vajubal qatal hain, to yeh (Maulana hazraat) jin per Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w) nay laanat dali hay ye tu vajbul afaat hain. Inn per Allah ke Aafatain hoon gee. Jis tarah Zia Ul Haq aik Ibrat Naaq Muat Mara tha , Jis tarah aik saal pehlay zalzalay nay buhat say injaisay bhatkay huay logoon ko lukma ajal bana dala woo zalzala aath(8) ahmediyoon kay qatal kee vajah say aaya tha. aur ab ager tum aik ahmadi ko Qatal karo gay to Allah aik hazaar ahmadies peda ker day gaa, Ager tum aik ahmadi ko Qatal karo gay to Allah tum jaisay hazaaroon ko zalzaloon say, aasmaanee aafatoon say tumaray tukray tukray kerday gaa . Azmaloo. Allah hamaisha hamaray saat hay aur is waqat bhee hamare ta’aeed may hay.
Hamrah Imaan hay kay Hazarat Muhammad(s.a.w.) Khatim ul Ambia hain. Aur Hazrat Masih Maud ( Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani ) shachay Ashiq- k- Rasool hain. Aur Imam –Medhdi hain jis key paish goee Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w) nay apnee Ahadess may key hay .
Hamrah Imaan hay k Allah Aik Hay , Is Kay siwah Koyee Ibaadat Kay Laik Nahee , Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w.) Allah kay Rasool Hain.
Inn Mulanaas Key kia majaal kay Islam ko aapnay haat may layker kisis ko kafar kahain . Ager yeh Shachey hain dekaadain 1973 kay Isambly ke karvaayee jis may Ahmadiyon ko fatah hoyee thee mager Shah faisal kay kahnay per Zulifqar Ali Bhutto sahib nay Jamaat –e- Ahmadia koo Islam say Kharij Ker diya thaa. Aur Bhutto sahib , Imam Mehdi kay teesray Khalifa Hazrat Mirza Nasir Saheb kay samnay jaker mafee mangtay huay kehta hay “Mirza Sahib Main apnay dono Haat katwa chukka hoo” tu pir kia hua Bhutto sahib kay saat woo sab jantain hain Is kay baad Aik neya KALMA inn mulanoon nay banaya “Allah Aik Hay , Is Kay siwah Koyee Ibaadat Kay Laik Nahee ,Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w.) Allah kay Rasool Hain aur aap kay baad aanay wala koee bhee nabee ya Imam mehdi jhuta hay” yea naya kalma jo kay hamaray Pakistan kay Constitution may shamil hay jis kee khaber Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w.) ko nahee hay.Yeh kalma per ker Insaan Islam may dakhil hoga.
Rasool Allah nay Quran main jaga jaga nahaq qatal mana fer maya hai. Yeh sab aap jantain hain.
Quote from hadees
Aik dafa Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W), nay aik sahabi ko lushker ka sapa salaar bana ker bhaija us jang main may jab wo aik adami ko qatal kernay lagay tu us adami nay KALMA perlia lekin phir bhee un sahabi nay us adami ka qatal qerdia. Jab yea khaber Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w) ko pmilee .tu aap itnay khafa huay kay un sahabee ka kehna tha kay may dua magta raha kay aap khamosh ho jayain.
Tu kia yeh Maulanaaz dilon kay bhaid janhtain hain yeh tu phir Khudayi ka dawaa huwa.
Yeh maulanaaz khada kay aur Rasool ullah kay dhutkaaray huan hain in per aab Allah ke laanat pertee raha gee .
Allah Hafiz
Brother Bilal On your second quotation:
AND WHOSO OBEYS ALLAH AND THIS MESSENGER SHALL BE AMONG THOSE ON WHOM ALLAH HAS BESTOWED HIS BLESSINGS, NAMELY: THE PROPHETS, THE TRUTHFUL, THE MARTYRS AND THE RIGHTEOUS, AND EXCELLENT COMPANIONS ARE THESE. (Al Quran 4:69/70)
I am not sure of the source of this translation however a quick bout of googling quickly led me to the following alternative translation which was:
And whoever follows God and the Messenger is with those on whom God has bestowed blessings from amongst the prophets, the siddiqeen, the shuhadah and the righteous; they are the best company. (Quran 4:69)
For the information of readers I found the above at the following link:
http://www.omeriqbal.com/a/43
Now as you can no doubt see the translation of the verse that I accept does not imply that prophets come after the holy prophet.
Infact the author in the link that have supplied does a wonderful job debunking brother Bilal’s claims and that is amply good for me.
Brother Kashif
I have only returned the pronouncements of Mirza Mahmood Ahamd upon his followers. His followers cannot deny that he said this. I have provided a link to the original book that he wrote where he said that Ghair Ahmadis are outside the PALE OF ISLAM AND PUKKA KAFIR.
He placed ghair ahmadis in the same category as Escimos and Red Indians and so on and so forth.
To me outside the PALE OF ISLAM means outside the ambit of Islam.
Now the prophet himself said that those who call someone a Kafir and are incorrect in their pronouncement, the accusation returns upon them.
I am therefore calling Mirza Mahmood Ahmad a Kaffir.
Billal no doubt realises that all ahamdis alive today regard him as the promised reformer of Islam. They must also concur with this statement or else they would not belong to the Ahmadiyya Jammat with that wonderful motto Love For All, Hatred for None.
So what conclusion can you draw from the above?
If I have incorrectly made assumptions then please feel free to rectify me!!
As regards to my belief about Jesus:
I believe that he did not die on the cross as this ofcourse necessary in order for me to be a muslim.
However I do not know what happened to him after that as I was not there!
Also if it was necessary for me to have an opinion on the above I would of course get of the fence and take one.
However seeing as though you can be a Muslim and not have to really have an opinion on what happened to Jesus as pbuh that is the option that I choose to take.
SO READERS IN MY OPINION DESPITE WHAT BILAL IS TRYING TO MAKE OUT, THE FATE OF JESUS IS IMMATERIAL TO BELIEF IN ISLAM.
Zaman Badar,
Tumharey jhhotey Nabee, Ghulam Kafir Qadiani, ko khud pata nahee thaa woh kia hai, Imam Mahdee hai yaa Essa hai.
Kabhee uss nai apney aap ko Imam Mahdee kaha, kabhee Essa kaha, thorey din aur zinda rahtaa to shayad apney aap ko Khuda bhee kah letaa.
Ghalatee unn Maulvion kee hai, jinhon nai Hazrat AbuBakar kai naqash-o-qadam per naa chaltey hoey , ghulam kafir qadiani kaa kaam nahee kiaa. Aisaa ho jataa to tumharee nasal bhatakney sai bach jaateee.
Iss jhotey meseha (Ghulam Kafir Qadiani) kaa maujzaa thaa kah woh apnaa diharea bhee theek nahee karsaktaa thaa. Murdon ko zindaa karnaa to door kee baat hai.
Abb tumhain dozakh kee aaag main jalney kaa itnaa hee shauq hai to jaoo jalo uss aaag main jis main tumhara jhootaa nabi, Ghulam Kafir Qadiani bhee jalegaa, Insha Allah.
Bilal
Incase you have run out of proofs that Muhammad as pbuh was not the last messenger, try looking in the place where your prophets and Khalifas got the idea from originally:
http://www.bahai-library.com/essays/seal.html
However notice that they take it a step further and argue that Islam is not the last revelation of Allah (Ahamdis have not reached this stage, yet!), using similar sorts of quotations out of context or just plainly mis-translated, similar to you in fact!
In fact brother Bilal, in the following 3 translations of the said verse that you claim implies a prophet can come after the prophet, my initial impressions are that none of them imply what you claim.
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YUSUFALI: All who obey Allah and the messenger are in the company of those on whom is the Grace of Allah,- of the prophets (who teach), the sincere (lovers of Truth), the witnesses (who testify), and the Righteous (who do good): Ah! what a beautiful fellowship!
PICKTHAL: Whoso obeyeth Allah and the messenger, they are with those unto whom Allah hath shown favour, of the prophets and the saints and the martyrs and the righteous. The best of company are they!
SHAKIR: And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger, these are with those upon whom Allah has bestowed favors from among the prophets and the truthful and the martyrs and the good, and a goodly company are they!
In all honesty I am not even remotely an expert on translations of the Quran but it has taken me all of 5 minutes of googleing to debunk your argument. You really are not very good at this are you?
Infact the author in the link below clearly states that your translation is wrong!
http://www.omeriqbal.com/a/43
Mr Haris Zuberi you should read some of posts above,i think you havent read my posts.If you have read these,you probably dont have any questions.
The wrting of Promised Messiah (as) about holy prophet (saw).You will find that how promised messiah love holy prophet and he (as) was ghulam of holy prophet.
The Holy Prophet
Every blessing is from Muhammad on whom be the blessings and peace of Allah. Blessed is He who taught and he who was taught.
Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa, may the blessings and peace of Allah be upon him. You have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exemplar, for him who hopes to meet with Allah and the Last Day, and who remembers Allah much (33:22).
After God I am inebriated with the love of Muhammad. If this is infidelity, then by God I am a great infidel.
That light of high degree that was bestowed on perfect man was not in angels, was not in stars, was not in the moon, was not in the sun, was not in the oceans and the rivers, was not in rubies or emeralds, or sapphires, or pearls; in short, it was not in any earthly or heavenly object. It was only in perfect man whose highest and loftiest and most perfect example was our lord and master, the Chief of the Prophets, the Chief of all living ones, Muhammad, the chosen one, peace be on him. That light was bestowed on this man and, according to their ranks, upon all those who bore the same colour to some degree…. This dignity was found in its highest and most perfect form in our lord and master and our guide, the immaculate Prophet, the righteous one, testified to by the righteous, Muhammad, the chosen one, peace be on him [Ayenae Kamalat-e-Islam, (Qadian, Riyadh Hind Press 1893); Now printed in Ruhani Khazain (London, 1984), Vol.5, pp. 160-162].
I always wonder how high was the status of this Arab Prophet, whose name was Muhammad, thousands of blessings and peace be upon him. One cannot reach the limit of his high status and it is not given to man to estimate correctly his spiritual effectiveness. It is a pity that his rank has not been recognized as it should have been. He was the champion who restored to the world the Unity of God which had disappeared from the world; he loved God in the extreme and his soul melted out of sympathy for mankind. Therefore God, Who knew the secret of his heart, exalted him above all the Prophets and all the first ones and the last ones and bestowed upon him in his life-time all that he desired. He is the fountain-head of every grace and a person who claims any superiority without acknowledging his grace, is not a man but is the progeny of Satan. He has been bestowed the key to every exaltation and he has been given the treasury of every understanding. He who does not receive through him is deprived forever. I am nothing and possess nothing. I would be most ungrateful if I were not to confess that I have learnt of the true Unity of God through this Prophet. The recognition of the Living God we have achieved through this Perfect Prophet and through his light. The honour of converse with God, through which we behold His countenance has been bestowed upon me through this great Prophet. The ray of this sun of guidance falls like sunshine upon me and I continue illumined only so long as I am adjusted towards it [Haqiqatul Wahi, (Qadian, Magazine Press 1907); Now published in Ruhani Khazain (London, 1984), Vol. 22, pp. 115-116].
O all ye who dwell upon the earth, and O all human souls that are in the east or in the west, I announce to you emphatically that the true reality in the earth is Islam alone, and the true God is the God Who is described in the Quran, and the Prophet who has everlasting spiritual life and who is seated on the throne of glory and holiness, is Muhammad, the chosen one, peace be on him. The proof of his spiritual life and holy majesty is that by following him and loving him we become recipients of the holy spirit and are favoured with the bounty of converse with God and witness heavenly signs [Tiryaqul Quloob, Now printed in Ruhani Khazain (London, 1984), Vol. 15, p. 7].
The man who in his being and his attributes and his actions and through his spiritual and holy faculties set an example of perfection, in knowledge and action and in sincerity and steadfastness, and was called the perfect man was Muhammad, peace be on him…. The man who was most perfect as man and as Prophet, and came with full blessings, and who through a spiritual revival and resurrection manifested the first judgment in the world and revived the dead world, that blessed Prophet, the Seal of the Prophets, the leader of the righteous ones, the pride of the Prophets, was Muhammad, the chosen one, peace be on him. Our Lord, send down on that beloved Prophet that mercy and blessing that Thou hast not sent down on anyone since the beginning of the world. Had that grand Prophet not appeared in the world then we would have no proof of the truth of lesser Prophets like Jonah, Job, Jesus son of Mary, Malachi, John, Zakaria, etc. Though they were favourites and honoured and were beloved ones of Almighty God, they are under obligation to this Prophet that they were accepted in the world as true Prophets. O Allah, send down Thy blessings on him and on his people and on his companions, all of them. Our last word is that all praise belongs to Allah, Lord of the worlds [Itmamul Hujjah, (Lahore, Gulzar Muhammadi Press, 1311 A.H); Now printed in Ruhani Khazain (London, 1984), Vol. 8, p. 36]. * * *
When we estimate justly, then out of the whole series of Prophets, we find one of high courage and alive and greatly dear to God, the Chief of the Prophets, the pride and the crown of the Messengers, whose name is Muhammad Mustafa and Ahmad Mujtaba. By walking under his shadow for ten days one obtains that light which before him could not be obtained in a thousand years…. We have found every light by following the immaculate Prophet and whoever follows him will also find it and he will become so accepted of God that nothing will be impossible for him. The Living God Who is hidden from people, will be his God and all false gods will be trodden under his feet. He will be blessed everywhere and Divine Power will be with him. Peace be on him who follows the guidance [Siraj Muneer, (Qadian, Ziaul Islam Press 1897); Now printed in Ruhani Khazain (London, 1984), Vol. 12, p. 80-81].
Now under heaven there is only one Prophet and only one Book. The Prophet is Muhammad, the chosen one, peace be on him, who is higher and more exalted than all Prophets and is the most perfect of Messengers and is the Khatamal Anbiya, and the best of men by following whom we find God Almighty and all the veils of darkness are lifted and the signs of true salvation are witnessed in this very life. The Book is the Holy Quran, which comprises true and perfect guidance and effectiveness, through which knowledge and understanding of the Divine are obtained and the heart is purified of human weaknesses, and being delivered from ignorance and heedlessness and doubts, a person arrives at the stage of complete certainty (Braheen Ahmadiyyah, p. 467-468, sub-footnote 3).
There have been millions of pure-natured people in the world and there will be more in future, but we have found the best of all of them and the highest man of God, whose name is Muhammad, peace be on him. Allah and His angels call down blessings on the Prophet and do you who believe call down blessings on him and greet him with the greeting of peace. We shall leave aside any mention of the holy ones from among those people whose circumstances have not been described in detail in the Holy Quran. We shall express our view only with regard to the Prophets who are mentioned in the Quran like Moses, David, Jesus and other Prophets, peace be on them. We affirm it on oath, calling God to witness, that if the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, had not come into the world, and the Holy Quran had not been revealed, and we had not seen with our own eyes the blessings that we have witnessed, the truth of all past Prophets would have remained doubtful in our eyes. No reality can be gathered from mere stories, for it is quite possible that they may not be true and it is also possible that the miracles that are attributed to these Prophets might be exaggerations, for no sign of them is visible today. We cannot even ascertain for certain from the Books revealed in the past that God truly exists, because we are not assured that God speaks to man. But through the advent of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, all these stories became real. We now realize not merely as a statement, but as a matter of experience, what converse with the Divine means and how God’s signs are manifested and how prayers are answered. All this we have discovered by following the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, and what other people relate as stories we have witnessed it all. We have attached ourselves to a Prophet who manifests God to us.
How shall we express our gratitude to God who bestowed upon us the good fortune to follow the Prophet who is a sun for the souls of the righteous as there is a sun for the bodies. He appeared in a time of darkness and illumined the world with his light. He was neither tired nor fatigued till he purified all parts of Arabia from associating partners with God. He is the proof of his own truth for his light is present in every age and true obedience to him purifies a person as the clear and transparent water of a river cleanses dirty linen. Who has come to us with a sincere heart and has not witnessed that light, and who has knocked honestly on that door for whom it has not been opened? But the pity is that most people prefer the lower life and do not desire that higher light should enter into them [Chashma Marifat, (Qadian, Anwar Ahmadiyyah Press, 1908); Now published in Ruhani Khazain (London, 1984), Vol. 23., p. 288-289]. * * *
The Holy Prophet was directed in the Holy Quran to supplicate:
Exalted then is Allah, the True King. And make no haste to recite the Qur’an ere its revelation is completed unto thee, but only say, ‘Lord, bestow on me increase of knowledge.’ (20:115) .
This means that the Holy Prophet was directed to supplicate for perfect knowledge of God’s greatness and understanding and attributes. At another place it is said:
Thus have I been commanded and I am the foremost of those who submit (6:164).
Reading these two verses together we find that the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, became the foremost of the Muslims because he was the most learned in the knowledge of Divine understanding. For this reason his Islam is the highest of all and he is the foremost of the Muslims. Another verse also indicates the vastness of his knowledge as is said:
He has taught thee that which thou knewest not, and great is Allah’s grace on thee (4:114).
This means that God Almighty taught the Holy Prophet that which he could not have learnt by himself and that by Divine grace he was blessed more than anyone else. That is to say, the Holy Prophet exceeded everyone in his knowledge and understanding of the Divine and God Almighty perfumed him with the fragrance of Divine understanding more than anyone else. Thus God has appointed knowledge and understanding as the principal means of obtaining a true concept of Islam. Though there are other means for obtaining such knowledge, like fasting and Prayer and supplication and carrying out all the Divine commandments, the number of which exceeds six hundred, yet the knowledge of the Greatness of God and of His Unity and of His attributes of Glory and Beauty is basic for everything. He who has a heedless heart and has no understanding of the Divine, cannot obtain the strength to observe the fast or perform Prayer or make supplication or occupy himself with doing good. All righteous action is incited by understanding of the Divine and all the other means proceed from it and are its issue. The beginning of this understanding is the reflection of God’s Rahmaniyyat and is not the result of any action or any prayer, but is a gift of pure grace. He guides whom He wills and He lets go astray whom He wills. Then this understanding is fostered by righteous action and good faith, till it assumes the form of revelation and descending in the word of God, illumines the whole expanse of the bosom with the light which is called Islam. At the stage of perfect understanding, Islam does not remain a mere phrase, but all its reality that we have described is achieved and the human soul prostrates itself humbly before Divine Unity. Thereupon, from both sides it is announced: Whatever is mine is thine. That is to say, the human soul cries out and confesses: Lord whatever is mine is Thine; and God also speaks and conveys the good news: O My servant, the heaven and earth etc. that are with Me are with thee also. This stage is indicated in the verse:
O my servants who have committed excesses against your own selves despair not of the mercy of Allah, surely Allah forgives all sins (39:54).
In this verse instead of: Say: O servants of Allah; the Holy Prophet was commanded to say: O my servants. This verse was revealed in this form so that God Almighty might convey the good news of limitless mercies and might comfort those who are broken hearted in consequence of their sins. Thus Allah the Glorious desired to exhibit a sample of His mercies and to make it manifest to what extent He honours His faithful servant with special favours. By adopting the form: Say: O my servants; God in effect said: Look at My beloved Messenger and see at what high rank he has arrived through his perfect obedience to Me that now all that is Mine is his. He who desires salvation should become his servant. That is to say, he should obey him so perfectly as if he was his slave. Then whatever sins he might have committed will be forgiven him. The word abd in Arabic idiom also means slave as it is said:
A believing slave is better than an idol worshipper (2:222).
In the verse to which we have drawn attention, it is indicated that he who desires salvation should establish the relationship of a slave with this Prophet. That is to say, he should not step outside his commandment and should consider himself bound to his obedience as a slave is bound and he would then obtain salvation. One pities those dark-souled ones who bear such rancour towards the Holy Prophet that they consider that names like Ghulam Nabi, Ghulam Rasul, Ghulam Mustafa, Ghulam Ahmad, Ghulam Muhammad, saviour of associating the Holy Prophet with God, whereas, the verse indicates that these names are a means of salvation. As abd implies that a person so named should refrain from every kind of freedom and self direction and should be completely obedient to his master, therefore, the seekers after truth have been urged that if they wish to attain salvation they should adapt themselves to this condition. This verse has the same connotation as the verse: Announce:
If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will then love you and forgive you your sins (3:32).
Perfect following demands that devotion and full obedience which is conveyed in the expression abd. The verse: Say: O my servants; means in effect: Say: O my followers, who are involved in sins, despair not of the mercy of Allah for Allah, through the blessing of your following me, will forgive all your sins. If the word servants in this verse is construed as meaning the servants of Allah, the purport of the verse is perverted for it cannot be true that God Almighty would forgive all idol worshippers and disbelievers without their believing in and following the Holy Prophet. Such construction would be contrary to the express directions of the Holy Quran. It should be remembered that the purport of the verse is that those who become the sincere servants of the Holy Prophet will be bestowed the light and the faith and the love and the passion which will deliver them from all that is beside Allah, and they will be freed from sins and will be bestowed a pure life in this world and they will be delivered from the narrow and dark graves of human passions. This is indicated by the Hadith: I am the resurrector on whose footsteps people will be raised up. The Holy Quran is full of the idiom that the world had died and that God Almighty revived it through sending the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, as is said:
Know that Allah revives the earth after its death (57:18) .
In the same way, it is said with reference to the companions of the Holy Prophet:
God helped them with the holy spirit (58:23).
The help of the holy spirit is that it revives the hearts and delivers from spiritual death and bestows pure faculties and pure senses and pure knowledge and carries a person to the station of nearness to God through certain knowledge and conclusive arguments…. This knowledge on which salvation depends cannot be obtained without that life which is bestowed through the holy spirit. The Holy Quran affirms it emphatically that that spiritual life is obtained only through following the Holy Prophet and that all those who repudiate obedience to him are dead and do not possess that life. Spiritual life means the intellectual and active faculties which are brought to life by the holy spirit. The Holy Quran shows that the commandments of God to which He desires man to conform are six hundred. In consonance with this the wings of Gabriel are also six hundred. Until the egg of humanness lies under the wings of Gabriel bearing these six hundred commandments, it cannot hatch the baby of being completely lost in Allah. The reality of man has the capacity of six hundred eggs. A person whose six hundred eggs are covered by the six hundred wings of the capacity of Gabriel is the perfect man whose spiritual birth is perfect and whose life is perfect. If one looks with care one finds that the spiritual issue of the egg of humanness which by the blessing of the following of the Holy Prophet were born to the holy spirit, are more perfect and complete than the spiritual children of all the other Prophets. This is indicated by the verse:
You are the best of people who have been raised up for the reform of mankind (3:111)
[Ayeenae Kamalat-e-Islam, (Qadian, Riyadh Hind Press 1893); Now printed in Ruhani Khazain (London, 1984), Vol.5, pp. 186-197]. * * *
The Holy Prophet came into the world so that he might bestow hearing on the deaf, who had continued in that condition for hundreds of years. Who is blind and who is deaf? The same one who does not accept the Unity of God and who does not accept this Prophet who revived the Unity of God on the earth; the same Prophet who converted the wild ones into men and then converted them into men possessing true moral qualities, then dyed them in the Divine colour of those who establish their relationship with God; the same Prophet, the sun of righteousness, at whose feet thousands of those who had died of paganism and atheism and evil living were revived and came to life and a sample of the Judgment Day was exhibited. It was not mere talk like that of Jesus. The Prophet who appeared in Mecca and dispelled the darkness of association with God and the worship of man, was the true light of the world, who found the world in darkness and bestowed such light upon it that he converted a dark night into day. What was the world before his advent and what did it become after it? This is not a question that is difficult to answer. If we are faithful our conscience will tug at us to persuade us to believe that before that great personage the greatness of God had been forgotten by the people of every country and it had been assigned to avatars and stones and stars and trees and animals and mortal men, and despised creation was seated in the place of that Lord of Glory and Holiness. It is true that if these men and animals and trees and stars were in fact God, Jesus being one of them, then this Prophet was not needed, but if they were not God, the claim that our lord Muhammad, peace be on him, made on the hill of Mecca has a grand light attending upon it. What was that claim? It was that God, having found the world in the deep darkness of associating partners with God had sent him to dispel that darkness. It was not only a claim, but that Messenger, accepted of God, fully established that claim. If the superiority of any Prophet can be established by such works as proclaim true sympathy with mankind exceeding that of all other Prophets, then, O ye people, arise and bear witness that in this respect Muhammad, peace be on him, has no equal in the world…. Blind worshippers of creatures have not recognized that great Prophet who set forth thousands of examples of true sympathy with mankind. I perceive, however, that the time has arrived when this Holy Messenger would be recognized. If you wish you might record my statement that henceforth the worship of the dead will decline daily till it disappears altogether. Will man set himself up against God? Will a despised drop frustrate the designs of God? Will the projects of mortal man disgrace Divine commandments? O ye who can hear, listen, and O ye who can reflect, consider and remember that truth will be proclaimed and he who is the true light will shine forth (Tableegh-e-Risalat, Vol. VI, p. 9). * * *
It is my personal experience that to obey the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, with a sincere heart and to love him, ultimately makes a person beloved of God. God creates in his heart a burning for His Own love and such a one, withdrawing his heart from everything else, leans towards God and his affection and desire remain only for God Almighty. Thereupon a special manifestation of Divine love falls upon him and bestowing upon him the full colour of love and devotion pulls him towards itself with great force. He then overcomes his passions and from every direction extraordinary works of God Almighty appear as signs in his support and to help him [Haqiqatul Wahi, (Qadian, Magazine Press 1907); Now published in Ruhani Khazain (London, 1984), Vol. 22, p. 65].
I have observed that by calling down blessings upon the Holy Prophet, Divine grace in the shape of wonderful light proceeds in the direction of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, and is absorbed into his breast and then issuing therefrom numberless streams of it reach everyone deserving them according to his capacity. Certainly no grace can reach anyone without the agency of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him. Calling down blessings on the Holy Prophet brings into movement His Throne from which these streams of light issue. He who desires to obtain the grace of God Almighty should call down Divine blessings on him very diligently so that that grace might be moved (Al-Hakam, 28 Feb. 1903, p. 7)
One night this humble one called down blessings on the Holy Prophet to such a degree that my heart and soul were filled with its fragrance. That night I saw in my dream that angels were carrying water-skins full of light into my house and one of them said to me: These are the blessings that you called down on Muhammad, peace be on him (Braheen Ahmadiyyah, p. 503, sub-footnote 3). * * *
We should not let a doubt enter our minds how a mere follower can partake of the names and attributes and praises of that accepted Messenger. It is true that in reality even a Prophet cannot share equally in the holy excellences of the Holy Prophet. Indeed even the angels cannot claim equality in that respect, let alone that anyone else should share in his excellences. But O seeker after truth, may God guide you aright, listen carefully to this. With the object that the blessings of that accepted Prophet should be displayed forever and that the perfect rays of his light should confound and refute his opponents, God Almighty has made the following arrangement by His wisdom and mercy. Some individuals out of the followers of Muhammad, peace be upon him, who obey him with thorough humility and falling prostrate on the threshold of humbleness are completely lost to their ego, being found by God like a clear mirror, exhibit the blessings of the accepted Messenger in their humble selves. Whatever praise is bestowed upon them by God and whatever signs and blessings are manifested by them, the true source of all their praise and the perfect fountain-head of all those blessings is the Holy Prophet, peace be on him. In reality and in their perfection those praises are worthy only of him and he is their perfect exemplar, but as the follower of the way of the Holy Prophet becomes through his perfect obedience like a reflection of the Holy Prophet and the Divine lights which are manifested in the latter are also manifested in his reflection, the appearance in the shadow of the whole form and manner of the reality is a matter that is not hidden from anyone. This shadow is not established in itself and no superiority is in reality present in it. All that appears in it is a picture of the real one which is manifested in the reflection. Do not, therefore, consider it a loss that the inner lights of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, reach those who are perfectly obedient to him out of his followers. Two great matters result from this reflection of lights, which, like permanent grace, manifests itself in some members of the following of Muhammad, peace be on him. One is that the extreme perfection of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, is thereby displayed; for a torch from which other torches can be lit and are ever lit, is better than a torch from which no other torch can be lit. Secondly, the perfection of the Muslims and their superiority over the followers of other religions is established by this permanent grace and the proof of the reality of the religion of Islam is furnished afresh and reliance is not had only upon the past. This is the manner in which the lights of the truth of the Holy Quran shine forth like the sun, and the proof of Islam is established conclusively as against its opponents, and the disgrace and humiliation and frustration of the enemies of Islam are made manifest. They observe in Islam those blessings and light the like of which they cannot find in the ministers and pundits of their own religion. Consider this well, O true seeker, May Allah help thee in thy search…. How great is the station of the Khatamal Anbiya, peace be on him, and how excellent is the bright effectiveness of this sun of righteousness that obedience to him makes someone a perfect believer and someone else a recognizer of God and bestows upon a third one the rank of a Sign of Allah and a Proof of Allah and bestows upon him Divine praise (Braheen Ahmadiyyah, pp. 243-245, sub-footnote 1). * * *
Ever since the appearance in the world of the sun of righteousness in the blessed person of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, up to today, thousands of persons who possessed the capacity and the ability, by following the Divine word and obeying the Holy Prophet, have arrived at the high ranks that we have mentioned and continue to do so. God Almighty continuously bestowed upon them such favours and bounties and support and help that it is proved to those possessing clear sight that such people are Divine favourites, who are under the grand shadow of Divine bounty and are recipients of great grace. Observers can see clearly that these people are honoured with extraordinary favours and are distinguished by wonderful signs and are perfumed with the fragrance of love and enjoy the pride of being accepted of God. The light of the All Powerful so fills their companionship, and their attention, and their resolve, and their moral qualities, and their way of living, and their joy, and their anger, and their desire, and their dislike, and their movement, and their rest and their speech, and their silence, and their outer and inner selves, as a clear and transparent glass receptacle is filled with excellent perfume. By the grace of their companionship and their relationship and love, that is achieved which cannot be achieved by great effort. By establishing a relationship With them and thinking well of them, faith assumes a new aspect and strength is gained for the display of good morals. The tendency of the ego towards clamour and sinfulness begins to be restrained and contentment and sweetness are generated. According to one’s capacity, the eagerness of faith surges up, and love and devotion are manifested, and delight in the remembrance of Allah increases. A person who keeps in their company for a long time is compelled to confess that in the strength of their faith, and in their moral qualities, and their cutting off from the world, and their attention towards God, and in their love of the Divine, and their kindness toward God’s creatures, and in fidelity and acceptance of the will of God and steadfastness, they occupy such high rank as is not equalled in the world. Sane reason immediately discovers that the chains and shackles in which other people are bound have been removed from their feet, and that the narrowness and constriction whereby the bosoms of other people are constricted and fatigued, have been removed from their bosoms. They are honoured by continuous converse with the Divine and they are accepted as a means of approach between the Divine and His eager servants for the purpose of gaining direction and guidance. Their brightness illumines other hearts. As at the approach of spring vegetation bursts forth, in the same way, at their appearance natural light surge inside sane temperaments and the heart of every fortunate one desires to bring into display, with full effort, its capacities, and is delivered from the veils of deep sleep, and is relieved of sinfulness and the stains of vice, and the darkness of ignorance and unawareness. Their blessed age has such a characteristic and there is such spreading of light in it that every believer and seeker after truth, according to the strength of his faith, without any apparent cause, perceives in his soul an expansion and an eagerness for religion and an increase in and strengthening of resolve. Every sincere one receives the benefit of the delicate perfume which is bestowed upon them on account of their perfect obedience, according to the degree of his sincerity. Those who are eternally unfortunate, obtain no share of it, but continue to increase in their enmity and envy and ill-will and finally fall into hell. This is indicated in the verse:
Allah has set a seal on their hearts (2:8)
(Braheen Ahmadiyyah, pp. 443-445, sub-footnote 3).
Poem written by Promised Messiah (as) in love of holy prophet (saw).
Light of Muhammad
What a marvellous light
And radiance is to be found
In the life and person
Of Muhammad! Indeed this is a mine
Wonderfully rich in rubies
Of priceless worth.
Look wheresoever, I may,
In the two worlds
I can absolutely find no one
With the greatness and grandeur
Of this the greatest benefactor
Of the human race.
If thou long to obtain
Deliverance from the lust
Of thy mind, then come
To include thyself
Among his devotees.
And if at all thou desire
That Allah should hold thee
Worthy of praise,
From the bottom of thy heart
Begin to sing his praises.
Of this if thou long for proof,
Become thou his admirer, and lover,
Then watch for the results,
For the life and person
Of Muhammad, in themselves,
Constitute conclusive and shining
Proof of his greatness.
Verily, my head and my life
I freely offer as a sacrifice
For the blessed dust
Underneath his feet;
And my devoted heart,
Every moment, is offering
Itself at the altar.
Indeed it is easy for me
To tear myself away
Completely from this world,
And all its attractions,
By losing myself in contemplation
Over the charm and excellence
Of the life and personality
Of Muhammad. In this blessed path,
Every particle of my being
I offer freely as a sacrifice,
For myself I have seen
The surpassing beauty
Lies hidden in Muhammad.
No other teacher
Do I recognise, for I
Have been disciplined,
And cultured, in the school
Of this greatest Teacher
For all times.
With any other sweetheart
I have no concern, since my heart
Has been completely won
By the beauty and dignity
Of the personality of Muhammad.
O thou ignorant person,
Blinded by a feeling of enmity
Towards him, stumbling
And lost in the way – take care
How you conduct yourself
In the field of his hostility:
For indeed, you have the biting edge
Of the deep-cutting sword
Of Muhammad hanging
Over your head!
And O thou that denieth
The grandeur of Muhammad;
That denieth, too, the light
Manifest of the Faith
Of Muhammad – beware,
For even though
Miracles are not known
In this age, thou mayest,
Indeed, witness them
At the hands of the servants
And slaves of Muhammad!
if ahmadis arent muslims than those are muslims who dont
@Fareeha
stop abusing Sahabas? those who do Sajdas to graves? those who change there sects just to make other sects happy, just like your “aalim” Amir Liaqat?
why do ahmadis and non ahmadis have right to call eachother non muslims. ITS A GOD AND MAN’S MATTER. I dont know why do people even talk about it. there are examples in islamic history that Allah told Prophet Muhammad to tell some jew or other non muslim that they are Jannati, becaseu they had done some good things. so how can you say that somebody is wrong.
@Bilal
A counter question can be answered once we are done with the questions in discussion. I once again welcome all Ahmadis and Muslims to read the following:
“…ek shaks apni biwi sey muhabbat aur ikhtlaat karey gaa woh iss baat mein faraq nahin kar sakey ga keh woh apni bivi sey muhabbat aur ikhtilaat karta hey ya muhabbat-e-Ilahia key darya-e bey payan mein gharq hey…”
” …a person who would love and have intercourse with his wife will be unable to differentiate if he made love to his wife or if he was indulged into immense love of God. …”
Above is the writing of Mr Mirza. Question is very simple, when Mr Mirza says that a person cannot differentiate between intercourse and love of God, Mr Bilal says he can. One of the two has to be a liar – or Mr Bilal can give his interpretation of the sentence. Mirza Sb says “woh farq nahi kar sakta” Bilal says NO to this statement. Who will solve this riddle?
Once Bilal calirfies the three riddles, we can give him answers to his question.
@Bilal
Second question was:
“Did Mirza Sb say that tears jump out of your eyes just like sperm jumps out during ejaculation? YES or NO”
Mr Bilal has said NO. Let us analyze the sentence of Mr Mirza, he says in Braheen Ahmadiyya Vol.5 page 196:
“jaisey be-akhtiar nutfa uchal kar soorat-e-anzaal akhtiar karta hey, yeh-hi soorat kamaal-e-khushoo ke waqt rauney ki hoti hey keh rauna aankhon sey uchalta hey.”
This is translated at ahmadibeliefs.com as:
“just as sperm jumps uncontrollably to take the form of ejaculation same is the situation with crying at the height of khushoo that the tears jump out of the eye”
Now Mr Mirza says that tears jump out of eyes just like sperms jumpt out during ejaculation and Mr Bilal says NO. One of the two has to be a liar, or Mr Bilal can give an interpretation of Mr Mirza’s sentence. The sentence is written in very clear URDU and everyone can understand what is meant by sperms jumping out during ejaculation, though it is possible that Mr Bilal is a minor and is unware of the terms NUTFA, ANZAAL & UCHHALNA. In that case I will recommend to consult some adult in his family.
@Haris Zuberi,
We will take things one by one now. So lets talk this through in a rational, and logical way.
1. You have again decided not to give YOUR interpretation in regards to what happened to Jesus’ (AS) after his survival from the cross. Is he dead or alive? You say it is not important to know if he is dead or alive. I say to you in response to that once more, a lot of very important Islamic issues stem from that very issue. Non-Ahmadi. Mullahs and their followers declare Ahmadis as non-Muslims because according to them there can’t be any prophet of any kind after Holy Prophet (PBUH). This is the major issue they raise to declare us as non-Muslims. Still they themsleves believe in the coming of Jesus (AS) in the latter days. Hence contradicting there own interpretation of Holy Quran that no prophet of any kind can ever come back again AFTER Holy Prophet Muhammad (BPUH). So according to their own verdict, they are out of fold of Islam by keeping such belief.
So Zuberi sahib, do you believe in Jesus’ death or do you believe he is still alive? If you are not sure then you don’t have any right to call those who consider him dead and believe in another prophet from the Ummah of Holy Prophet according to the teachings of Quran and a number of hadiths as the Messiah and Mahdi. So I need YOUR clear interpretation on this issue. If he is dead according to you too, then what about those number of Ahadith that talk about the Promised Messiah? Do you reject them all? So this issue is not as small as you want it to be!!!
2. In regards to the Finality of Prophethood, and amazingly that issue is directly linked with the issue of Jesus’ status after crucifixion. This is one of the verses I quoted to back our understanding of Finality of Prophethood:
AND WHOSO OBEYS ALLAH AND THIS MESSENGER SHALL BE AMONG THOSE ON WHOM ALLAH HAS BESTOWED HIS BLESSINGS, NAMELY: THE PROPHETS, THE TRUTHFUL, THE MARTYRS AND THE RIGHTEOUS, AND EXCELLENT COMPANIONS ARE THESE. (Al Quran 4:69/70)
In response you gave me a link to go to and find YOUR understanding of the verse. I want to have a discussion with a live person like you and not with the website please. So come one and explain to me your understanding of the verse in your own words here and then I will see how true you are in your understanding of the verse. You also claimed that the translation of the verse that I provided is WRONG. So give me the reason why is it wrong. I need an answer from you and not some website that you have googled to UNDERSTAND your interpretation of this verse. Explain this in your own words and please don’t just copy paste it from that website.
3. In regards to the issue of rejecters of true prophets, you have yourself acknowledged that according to the teachings of Quran, ANY PERSON (be it Muslim or non-Muslim) who rejects a single prophet of Allah (regardless of his belief in other true prophets of Allah) becomes a KAFIR (which literally means “rejecter/denier”. This is the verdict of Quran regarding such people (and you have yourself accepted this in your earlier post). So what is it that is bothering you in regards to what Hadhrat Mirza Bashir ud Din Mahmood Ahmad (RA) said about the issue that contradicts what Quran says about this issue.
Now you asked me what would you regarding a prophet who is rejected by the Muslims. First of all that statement is wrong. A large number of Muslims and non-Muslims alike have accepted the truth of Promised Messiah and already have become Ahmadi Muslims. Secondly there was not a single prophet in the history of mankind who was not rejected by the very people he was sent for. Open the Quran and you will see plenty of verses backing my statement. So if the people reject a true prophet, that doesn’t mean he is rejected by God too. It is on the other hand one of the proofs of the truth of the prophet. It is the frustration of the non-believers of the true prophet and his message that is common between the enemies of Ahmadiyyat today and the enemies of all the true past prophets of God.
Answer my questions in the same way I have posed at you. ie. by giving numbering to the answers as 1, 2 and 3.
Bilal
bilal and the rest of you….
now lets get to the slightly more difficult ones for you with some references from your book.
this is what koran says in chapter 4. I have copied this from http://www.jannah.org/qurantrans/quran4.html
004.024 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath God ordained (prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed , agree mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and God is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
a few questions come to my mind and i wud like answers:
1. it says that a married woman is NOT prohibited if your right hand possesses it; can any of you tell me what is meant by “possession in right hand” – based on my reading of islamic history, this refers to women prisoners of wars with whom muslims can have sex with. i can prove my point with some reputable muslim scholars’ books as well.
2. it says that except for the prohibitions, all others are lawful, the addition of “in marriage” in brackets is not the actual wording of the koran but an addition (interpretation) by the translater and hence, i will ignore that. i understand from this that muslims can have sex with any woman provided the following criteria are fulfilled:
(a) the woman should not be amongst those specifically prohibited (mentioned in the previous verses); and
(b) there should be some dower agreed and paid for
i understand this is where the shiites claim the concept of mutta’a marriage is islamic – any shiites please confirm.
now, as always, the two questions:
1. as islam permits having sex with a woman prisoner of war, why do you guys yell when non-muslims replicate this on your women!!!
2. on having sex with a ‘permitted’ woman, is this any different from prostitution! in fact your religion is probably the only one that legalises prostitution!!!
and you boast that ye follow the “best” – huh
the problem is that the ordinary christians do not take the pain of showing you the mirror as to what your religion is about and they let you go down to the path of hell, whereas i will want to hold you back
any answers! i am sure there are none
bilal and the rest of you…
here i have something with references from your holy book. i am definite that there will be no answers, like always, but i will still put these before you guys.
the koran in chapter 4 says (http://www.jannah.org/qurantrans/quran4.html):
004.024 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath God ordained (prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed , agree mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and God is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
based on my reading of your books, the phrase: “whom your right hands possess” refers to women that become your property as prisoners of war; it is permitted to have sex with those women. i have read this in islamic books as well and i am sure you are also aware of this.
it also goes on and says that you can have sex with any woman if the following conditions are satisfied:
(a) the woman should not be amongst those specifically declared unlawful; and
(b) you agree and pay a consideration to them from your property
the words (in marriage) are in brackets and I understand that are not the original words of the koran but an addition (interpretation) by the translator; i will ignore the addition and look at the original verse. i further understand that it is this verse which shiites claim allows muta’a marriage. shiites, pls confirm.
now the 2 questions, as before:
when it is permitted in your religion to have sex with a woman prisoner of war, why do you guys make noise when your women prisoners of war are even slightly touched – you dont even have a sympathy case.
where your religion effectively allows to have sex with any woman (with little exceptions) for money, it is probably the only religion on the planet that allows prostitution; indeed what a glorious religion this is!
the problem is that no one shows the mirror to you guys where you can see how we see you….
FOR NEWOBSERVER****
ARAY BHAEE MIRZA SAHAB KI YE BAAT AAP NE PAKER LE LEKIN APNAY SOOFI LOG TO DEKHO SARI POETRY MAIN BAAT HI YAHI KI HAI. BABA BULLAY SHAH, WARIS SHAH ETC THEY ALL THINK SAME WAY THAT “EXTREME OF LOVE WITH HUMAN IS JUST LIKE YOU LOVE GOD”. YAANI WO ISHQ-E-HAQIQI KO ISHQ-E-KHUDAWANDI SE MILATAY HAIN. AGER APP KO PUNJABI SAMAJH AATI HAI TO UN KA KALAM PERHO. AUR JO KUCH WO KEHTAY HAIN US MAIN KOI GALAT BAAT NAHI. AGER AAP NE KISI SE ISHQ KIA HO TO AAP KO PATA HO.
ETRAAZ KERNAY KAY LIYE KOI ESI BAAT TALAASH KARO JIS PER BAAT BHI HO SAKAY.
HAZRAT MIRZA GULAM AHMAD QADIAYN (AS) NE AGER YE KAHA HAI TO THEEK KAHA HAI.
what about my QUESTIONS, Bilal?