Guest Post by Saira Ansari
I’m very disturbed, disappointed and sick to death to see the amount of facebook’ers on my list who think Musharraf’s leaving has been a catastrophe for Pakistan. Just because a new evil, a.k.a Zardari, is in the house does not mean that the previous evil is now a good man. A “leader” as some say. That’s our problem – as an entire nation. We forget and we repeat our mistakes over and over again.
People left right and centre have been levelling accusations at me, and countless others like myself, that we support Zardari. Unfortunately no one takes out 5 minutes to ask if that is so. Let me save you the time…we don’t. And no, he is NOT democratically elected. Hierarchic / Monarchic rule within the party does not ensure a democratic candidate, so stop ranting that its democracy that’s bad. We, the people, have been cheated again. The actual institution has been wronged.
I will get hate messages and mail after this because I get them often for my stance. Those who know me well know my passion for this country and its welfare so at least I can’t be labelled for propaganda as my other friends and colleagues are. But I must have my say – whether or not you bother to read the entire note.
It might seem like an attack on all you who support Musharraf, but unfortunately he was a friend of the wealthy and his circles included the elite and the ruling elite (I use the terms separately so that the few elite members in my list are spared the mercy of being called PML-Q-ians).
His ruling party looted and spent generously. The corruption meter Musharraf used himself to oust Nawaz Sharif has rated the corruption during his past 8 years government rule at least 20-40% more corrupt than that of Benazir or Nawaz Sharif…. and that is quite a task to achieve! Don’t believe me – do some research.
Of course all of you will lament his going. You thought he was fighting for the country, and the economy was oh-so-booming and justice was being handed out to all and sundry.
If you think this way then:
None of you had your father/brother/son/husband picked up by intelligence forces, sold to America and other countries for bounty money, threatened torture and death to you and your extended family for searching for your family member.- The worst insult – Musharraf announcing that all the missing persons had actually just run away from their homes and/or were jihadi terrorists. Yes Mr. Musharraf that’s a very smart thing to say – since it really worked for you to pull out a name from your list every time a suicide bombing happened.
- I have met the families of the missing persons in a very high level semi-secretive meeting arranged by HRCP and Amnesty, a couple of years back, and I met normal people with normal lives – just like yours and mine, but maybe a bit more harsher – suddenly flung into chaos.
- I met a 10 year old boy who was picked up alongside his father and uncle and saw his father being tortured. His father still isn’t back.
- I met the murdered journalist Hayat-ullah’s brother who had gone missing with his brother but had been released while his brother killed. The brother too was killed months after I met him.
- I met Amina Janjua and her daughter and other family members of prisoners who are rotting in Guantánamo.
- How is this the war on terror? It’s more like the war of terror. Why are we being auctioned to satiate an ever-hungry monster’s desire to colonize the world? (USA for those who didn’t get that)
- None of you care to find out what happened on May 12, 2007, when Karachi went under siege and people on all sides were senselessly killed, roads blocked, Edhi ambulances attacked and drivers killed – and NO action was taken. But dancing and celebrating the Punjab qabza group government continued in Islamabad.
- The Karachi bridge collapsing after that seemed trivial and really required no justice. Because a few poor people died and Pakistan can do without some more mouths to feed.
- All of you and your mothers/sisters/daughters/friends/wives have not been raped, or better yet gang-raped. Then you probably believe that rape is supposed to be silenced and that Mukhataran Mai case was “so over-done”. Musharraf was right when he had Mukhataran Mai put on the ECL (Exit Control List) so that the image of Pakistan would not be destroyed.
- And all of you at some time have visited countries abroad, or if you’re lucky like me, were probably born abroad so you don’t have to get raped to get an American visa. Musharraf seemed to think that’s why us ladies in Pakistan liked to get raped. Again you doubt me, check online for direct quotes.
You are also one of those people who’s countless acres of land were not snatched in Balochistan and Sindh and handed for a pittance to army officers who then minted a fortune in selling them later. That’s because you don’t live in Balochistan or NWFP and have your own little place in a Pakistani-suburbia.- You probably also think that Balochis are terrorists and should be tackled with the way they are for wanting to break Pakistan.
- In the past 8 years or so media coverage of Balochistan was banned. No one knew what was happening there because the General didn’t see it fit for you to know.
- So while they were being killed they had other trivial things to worry about too:
- No gas – because they provide all to you me and the rest of Pakistan
- No electricity – because why would tribals need it
- No CNG – because…they have cars?
- No roads – no CNG, no cars, why need roads?
- All the minerals, discovered and potential sites, being sold to the yens and the dollars and the pounds while they get nothing
- And the budget allocation – my God it has been an insult each time their share has been announced.
- But you say that it serves the tribal Sardars right. Because there are NO other regular people, middle class, students, poor, old, unwell people in Balochistan – only Sardars.
- Tell me – why was Pakistan made? Were we not all being denied our basic rights back then? The breaking up of a country to form our country is celebrated – yet when a province, hounded and ignored since Pakistan’s inception now demands their rights or separation you call them villains and terrorists. Damn hypocrisy I say.
- You agree the media has lost control and attacked Musharraf when it was he who “allowed” them to come.
- Again, my lovelies, the free media revolution had started in 1989 and most of these new channels came when the new satellite technology came. Not because they were always barred and Musharraf had an epiphany to allow them.
- It’s shameful how Daily Times Najam Sethi has sold his soul to the pimped out Governor Salman Taseer to keep his position. Why don’t you question his stand?
- And it’s time anyway to wake up and see what’s happening in ever corner of your country. This again does not mean I support substandard and/or yellow journalism
- And if you still think, like Musharraf did, that all the channels sucked and reported wrong information and deserved to be banned in November 2007, then can you please explain why BBC, CNN, Al-Jazeera and all other international news channels were also banned?
- MEDIA MUST BE FREE. Those who are not interested in changing the status quo of this country please change the damn channel to a cheap Indian soap opera which everyone seems to enjoy.
- You think that suspending the constitution was fine and it solved issues. I talk about a constitution, which is not just formed on a whim. It is a legislation almost sacred to a country. It is based on the universal declaration of human rights that are meant to apply to all and sundry; that ensures basic rights to speech, to thought, to movement, to association, to expression, to religion, to vote, to protest, to demand, to information. If the law guarantees you this security NO one should be allowed to manipulate it to say otherwise. No situation allows for the government to tell me to shut up and sit at home and not participate in democratic (or non-democratic as it might be) change. The government is my servant. It exists to take care of me and look after my country. I pay it to do so and it enjoys a very large amount of luxuries on this behalf alone.
You probably also felt that the activists, journalists, lawyers and students deserved to be beaten up, tortured and arrested. - Then Pakistan’s constitution should be “cleaned up” and our rights to protest, freedom of assembly, freedom of association, legal rights before detention and arrest should all be scrapped, because the General didn’t find them fit to implement.
- The emergency was declared to minimize violence, quote unquote. Read Washington post’s article, written by Musharraf himself. The comments on the article are deeply revealing. The suicide attacks still happened. During the emergency the violence against citizens was abominable. More than 5000 people jailed. I myself made a list of 1000 arrests for my work. People, civilians, activists, lawyers, students, little children beaten up like dogs. Is that security? Is that how you “control society”? By breaking their bones, ripping off their clothes and kicking them in the gut. I have names and pictures, arrested and manhandled. Honestly speaking the army, our protector ended up doing more damage to us than anyone else. The police had as usual jumped in to join the party. The fight for judiciary might have the face of Chaudry Iftikhar and you might not like him but the truth is that judiciary must be free and impartial. Arresting lawyers because “they could incite trouble” is about the biggest hogwash there is.
- You agree with military rule for the benefit of the nation. The army unrightfully so taxes us to our bones for “security reasons”, even gobbling up the share for education and development, yet Lal masjid brewed a few kilometres from the presidents’ house with mass ammunitions, ak 47s machine guns, grenades, gas masks…that too in the most heavily policed city in the country. Is that how the army protects us and itself.
- Sadly, because of Musharraf the armed forces really have suffered. And thousands of men, Jawans not Generals, who come from all corners of the country and bear freezing cold and scorching heat to sacrifice their lives for the love of their country, bear the brunt of their military leaders’ bad choices. The army’s job is to protect our borders and that’s what it should do. We received billions of dollars in aid to tackle terrorism. Not only did terrorism increase, but also there have been solid links of financial and logistical support found between the ISI and the terrorists. Who sold us to the Americans and allowed Boucher and Condoleeza to dictate terms? Where does the army get its funding/training/weapons/luxuries from? I’m sure you’ll like reading Dr. Ayesha Siddiqua’s book Military Inc. I enjoyed it and I haven’t found any quotes from the army denying it. Except for maybe banning the book because reading is so bad for Pakistanis. They’ll start to think.
- You say Shut up Saira – do you know what he did for our economy? Yes what did he do? Watching a show on TV last year about Pakistan’s “booming economy” I was surprised to hear a very Mary Antoinette-ish remark made by one of the young pro-government economists “so what if Punjab has a wheat crisis. They’ll get something else to eat”.
- The reason Pakistan’s GDP went up was because of two reasons – the banking sector and the telecommunication sector. The Pakistan banking sector has one of the worst interest rates in the world – how sweet is that since you and your daddies don’t really need to take out any loans – but many other’s do and the banking sector feeds of their carcasses. Nowhere else in the world would Citibank have been allowed to hound a person (and thousand others like him) till he committed suicide.
Coming to Citibank – don’t even bring me to Shaukat (Shortcut) Aziz. The man is undoubtedly smart and he could have done wonders for us – yet he too looted us and helped the ruling class mint some more. mint mint mint.- The Punjabi ruling class however was not content and sold and/or hoarded our flour and sugar, so that the hungry stomachs would dish out more when food was scarce.
- Don’t get me started on the chief justice case. You don’t like him because you think the lawyers brought anarchy to the streets. Well the Chief Justice really should have been kicked in the boot. After all he stopped Shaukat Aziz, Musharraf and all their cronies from extreme profiteering in the Steel mill case, and he asked about the missing persons – the damn missing persons. Oh and Suo Motu…he played with that little Latin term that the government came to associate as a swear word.
And FINALLY, all you people lamenting his exit and the arrival of the new vultures – it was Musharraf’s gift to us, the NRO, which legalised their return and it was Musharraf who pardoned all of Benazir’s, Zardari’s and the Sharif brothers’ cases so that he could get a safe exit in return– one tyrant to another. Mushie knows best.
I don’t even know where to stop. I talk from facts. Hundreds and thousands of files, numbers, cases, stats and complaints lying on my desk and those of my colleagues. Colleagues who got arrested for assembling at the office when the emergency was declared. Colleagues who passionately fight for people’s rights – the same rights that allow you and me the simple liberties we take for granted. We meet people who were abused by Musharraf, those who were abused before him and no doubt those who will be abused by the new monster that has narcissistically named itself the people’s government.
For god sakes wake up you slumbering fools. Musharraf’s exit does not have to mean the return of another evil period for us. Why cant we make it mean something more and bring in more educated people into the services and politics. Talk, speak out, and demand action and accountability so that these goons don’t get to loot us again. Lets not be quiet and say lawyers are liars and politicians are pansies. Maybe if we just worked just as hard as making things work as we do in criticising, things could get better. Start by doing your bit – bit by bit – and wait for the change to happen. Don’t sit and complain in your comfortable houses and cars. Don’t do that because it doesn’t help anyone.
Or just don’t damn well fornicate to produce a generation that will suffer at your expense.
Comments
338 responses to “Sick of Musharraf lovers – a factual rant”
The real worth of a corrupt General, who was no different from the previous looters….
http://express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?new…
http://express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?new…
And here is more….I wonder what would the Musharraf apologist say this time except for bad mouthing and the usual crap
Another achievement( corruption) of the coward and self centered DICKtator exposed by none other than by his fellow General…………
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-…
musharrf was a greatest ruler through out the histoy of PAKISTAN.
Ha ha ha…The greatest ruler is now the greatest coward and shit piece on God's earth , hiding in London.and his hopeless admirers ranting here on on line forums…..
Poor Musharraf and his poor followers…I wonder how are they feeling after his creation NRO was thrown out in to the dustbin…
lal din,
Tumharee ankh khuleee nahee abhee takkk? uth jao betaa.
Zaid Hamid Kezzab aur Ahmed Qureshi ko ziada mat sunaa karo…
You don't become rich by wearing fake Rolex watches, yes you can get a bit of attention from whores. Thats what Musharraf brought to Pakistan, fake *taraqqeee*…
Benazir Bhutto exposed. Read her story here:
http://pakspire.com/benazirs-death-finding-reason…
this is all full of crap…. i can write article which zardari and nawaz shareef has done how much evil they are …. 90% of the stories are false and fabricated … you dont mention the good stuff of musharraf that is your problem… wake up our economy is in the drain…. i wish musharraf was still here i love him always will
So what are you waiting for ….I dare you to Write it down if you can …..
What is false…
He sold out Pakistanis
He is a third class Army dictator who licked American boots
He gave away Airbases to USA
He said Yes to drone attacks
He created NRO and welcomed back Benazir
And others tooo
So what are you ranting about …You are a typical Musharraf admirer who doesn't have the guts to put his real name on this post (Just like that coward MusharraF)
and keep on wishing for the rest of your life because that lover boy of yours is a shit piece coward who will die like a dog abroad ( Like all military dictators in the world)
Don't know why we have this thread…. he was undoubtedly a HERO and why he is out of this country is that the Mir Jaffers of Pakistan will do anything to get rid of him.. he will come back and will rescue us from anti musharaf's saviors (nawaz and zardari)… dont worry ….
Ahad,
Musharraf is one of the Mir Jaffer of Pakistan, who is now absconding. He is the bastard who brought Pakistan to this stage…
He was a brain-less thug, who didn't have any thing in the upper chamber and the core commanders who helped bring him in power now regret it for the rest of their lives…
He made Dr Qadeer an escape goat and now the whole Pakistan Army has made him a escape goat….what goes around, comes around….
Dear Abrar,
This discussion is not going anywhere, i had same discussion on many forums most of the time result is the same at the end people start abusing each other 🙂 BTW AQ khan is whole different debate so i dont wanna go there.
my point is that even if for the hack of discussion we accept that he was bad then … he was the least bad leader throughout the history of Pakistan after our great leaders.
and people my humble request is to kindly don't use abusive language for anyone(our leaders) on the internet because as brothers and sisters we can fight with each other and will be united again but we shouldn't give chance of a good laugh to the world
Saira bibi, you havent seen what was done from 1992-1997 in Karachi and hyderabad.. visit http://www.mqm.org to see the images 🙂
I grow up in Islamabad n lived there for more than 20 years then in 2004 i went to Dubai and came back in 2007. after coming back i didn't believed that its the same Pakistan all things were changed Islamabad, Lahore, Karachi i can see the difference and then about the roads they were not made by any leader except G.Musharaf , Hats off to him, and thats why now i hate politicians. some how i realized that in Pakistan you support the Political party to which your family supports i havnt seen any any1 who have a different point of view form their family, (Baradari Nizam)Musharaf Bought a change.
and talking about Zahid Hamid i think he will definately bring a change he has engaged YOUNGSTERS in his league he is a true lover of Pakistan, i agree he cant be right at every aspect but he is bringing a hope, same was done by our great leader Sir Allama Muhammad Iqbal. we badly need a hope , we hav to reconize wht we are capable of, and he is just doing this job, a WAKE UP call to all Pakistanis
otherwise you are not left with more choices.
Dont show Afia sadique as a innocent lady who was sold to Americans, she was a terrorist and i think its enough for you people to see that Terrorists hav no religion you supported Taliban for all life and now when you said them to stop they stand against you, taking aids from your enemies weather its America or India. (ashteen ka sanm) these Matawa's (Molvies) ruined you and you still follow them they even dont agree with each other, Please read the Quran by your self dont just follow what they say,and from last 62 years you are CHAMCHA of Arabs (saudia and other Arabs ) why ? why dont you think and study about Islam on your own ? you hate Isreal why ? because they have issues with Arabs ? and you are a big supporters and Lovers of Arabs LMFAO ! please visit Arab and stay there for some time then you will relize what they think about you Pakis..
and how they treat you , do you know they support India more than Us ? they have more trade and other agreements with them ? even they know India is our enemy. they giv a damn about it. but they really want us to hate Isreal. one of my Yamanii friend always used to say me that he loves India, he will prefer visiting India on Pakistan then One day i said to OK then I also dont hate Israel, Y should i hate Israel? and then i was stunned after seen his F. face
you haven't captured a single spy of Mosad in Pakistan, they never interfered in your Polices they had never abused Pakistan, then why the hell we want them our enemy ? although India is doing all that to us, and Arabs dont stop their Safartii relations with Indians even India got more arab visitors than Pk. come on now its time to wake up, think by your own, ok Thanks Arab for showing us the right Path(Islam) now abh hamarai jaan choroo, WE ARE PAKISTANIS , ASIANS and v hav to live with this.
Dear Didoo
Did you motice the suicide bombings , sugar and atta crisis, barbed wires and hundreds of policemen, rangers and Army soldeirs at every road of Islamabad too….
These are the blessings of the same dictator you are admiring…And like other Musharraf lovers , if you are a huge fan of Musharraf , why do you oppose Zardari( brought by Musharraf), why don't you voted for PML(Q) his own party and creation and i am sure you love retards like Sher Afghan Niazi and Chaudhry Shujaat too….
If he is so popular in Pakistan why he is afraid to show his black face in Public in Pakistan and has to hide in exile…
He can and will never come back and i wish he comes back ..she should be blown apart by a suicide bomber ( the same curse he introduced in Pakistan)
hate muusharraf.. he bought us the gift of suicider bombers :@
MY brother dido whateva mentioned sis.aafia as a terrorist i ask him what if your mother or your sister your father your brother your daughter were caught and sold to America by these filthy leaders including Musharraf will u den still say that my sister or my whateva is a terrorist ''i dont think shoo'' u mentioned ''Terrorists hav no religion'' i totally agree wid ew buh they don't im talking about the people wh wants to de establise ur country MY COUNTRY..we don't hav tym for this bullshitism this pathan sindhi mahajir pakhtoon they dont want to see pakistan in their ''NEW WORLD ORDER'' i wanted to tell ew the whole story buh i don't hav enuf tym my bro google pe jao en type ''new world order'' or ''zionism, neoconzionist''
nothing personel ma bro it was awl ma patriotism
peace
pakistan zindabad…!!!
I have a few questions that have stormed up in my mind about President Musharraf and i wish i get logical replies .
1.If President Musharraf was so innocent,why did not he faced the charges filed in his chart-sheet that was filed as a result of his impeachment?why didn't he faced the impeachment?
2.If the masses were with him,then why didn't we saw any demonstrations in his favour after he resigned?
3.If he was so popular amongst the people of Pakistan,than why didn't his party PML-Q obtain majority in the February 2008 elections?(not to forget he activly participated in their election campaign)
4.Why did he not approve the construction of Kalabagh dam which could have resolved our power crisis when he took equally radical measure at many instances?(not to forget he had absolute authority )
5.As a student of economics,i would like to point out several flaws in his economic policies which were not at all long-term?(if he was such a hero ,why didn't he he drafted policies that were fruitful in the long-run?As a matter of fact,political instability is a major factor that hampers economic growth,why do we ignore that and applaud his documented growth?
6.Most of us remember his 7-point agenda which he announced when he took over,one of many amongst which was the trial of corrupt leaders and officials,despite that he issued NRO,Why?
7.Ever wonder if NRO was not issued we would have never endured the present technically and morally corrupt government?
8.Ever wonder why he never managed to wipe out the insurgents in FATA in contrast with the present achievements of our Army today?
9.Do you consider Dr.Qadir's statement about him truthful against him,keeping in mind Dr.Qadir's services to the nation?
10.If he was the people's hero,why didn't he stay back with them and endured all the hardships while being a part of them?
I hope to get logical and unbiased answer so that i can learn some fruitful facts .
What i feel is that the Pakistani nation has been betrayed time and again in the name of democracy,religion and dictatorship and each time had been brutally betrayed .Secondly,this is not the democracy we were told about,instead it is a continuation of Musharraf's policies in its democratic version.
Pakistan is changing and the change will come for the better!
Inshallah
Quaid e Azam Zindabad
Pakistan Paindabad
Janab…your questions are excellent and logical, but you don't expect logical answers from Musharaf admirers and supporters
They are coward munafeqqen who are ashamed to say that they support the biggest allies of Musharraf ( Barrister Saif, General Rashid Qureshi and mentally retarded Chaudhry Shujjat and Sher Afgahn Niazi)
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YOU ARE ALL THE MORE THE REASON WHY PAKISTAN IS FOOKED
yes you blogger!
I think you need a reality check:
Blaming the war on terror and missing persons on Musharraf? Still people keep looking for the perfect leader.
First of all Musharraf handled the war on terror BETTER then any other goverment would or could, bunch of idiots they can NOT be seen as an alternative.
SICK of people dissing him not seeing the good things he did
Do you think he could have said in public/media that he was using american money for our own army for defence against india and for investment.
TELL ME traitors who invested more in infrastructure then Musharraf, and tell me WHO got more investment to Pakistan then Musharraf.
All these conspiracies and evil-eye on him are making me sick, and it just confirms that we as Pakistan have a looooooooooooong way to go with these uneducated not understanding politics and economics and especially secret service or the greater picture for Pakistan.
I can post atleast 500 infrastructure projects that Musharraf started and finished (there are ALOT MORE). After that I can post another 500 private sector booming commercial and office projects (MUCH MUCH MORE).
AFTER that I want to say Pakistan media except nation.com.pk are not playing their role as progressive citizens. They protested and hated Musharraf on the judges issue.
While now during the corruption and breaking down of the country nobody is protesting on this big of a scale.
Not even the media is encouraging it, we are litteraly being raped by maffia ministers and people and media are talking about democracy.
The judges MAD politized DEFINATLY not neutral, they in the pocket of PML-N because the country is going down hard and no one is being punished. + nawaz sharif not being sentenced for Musharraf Hijack of the plane where he tried to kill army and goverment personel.
Also all the oppositions are WORTHLESS TO THE BONE because PML-N especially is the most friendliest opposition I have ever seen in Pakistan. THEY HAVEN'T DONE SHIT IN PUNJAB ALL THIS TIME even with budget, they haven't solved 1 problem or undertaken 1 infranstructure project, while being governor's of Punjab, they are first class TRAITORS.
NRO was to break the way of old tradition, Musharraf is the most humble person, he didn't want to hang people who tried to hang or kill him, he want to give Pakistan a new turn and let everyone work for the betterment. But these people just BACKSTABBED him, they don't understand Pakistan First, Economy Firtst, Army First, they only understand POCKETS FIRST thats the party of the ppp and pml-n
Dear usmanakram
You are another of his Cyber lovers and online warriors who can only Rant in his favor on online forums only or on facebook….
The ground reality is that scum bag Dictator is hiding in exile like all previous dictators of the world, he is afraid of coming back to Pakistan because he knows that people of Pakistan want him hanged for his boot licking of US government, selling own country men ( which he admitted in his book), tarnishing image of Pak Army, Allowing drone attacks in Pakistan, having most corrupt people in Army and Civil as his cronies and much more
I am amazed at your comments about NRO..if NRO was such a great blessing why it benefitted only the corrupt few of Pakistan…you are a sick person to support this NRO ( which has been totally screwed by supreme Court)
As far as your false claim is concerned
""can post atleast 500 infrastructure projects that Musharraf started and finished (there are ALOT MORE). After that I can post another 500 private sector booming commercial and office projects (MUCH MUCH MORE).""
I dare you to post only 50 projects in both category…
You are the one who needs a reality check and wake up my brother
Regards
Mr. Farooq,
soon you will see people coming out in support of Mr. Musharaf. you just didn't had enough from Nawaz and Zaradri yet …….. all you need to do is wait and see
Caio
Usman
Dear Usman
I will wait and see…People coming out in his support..what a wishful thinking…
1. why didn't they come out when his own creation PML -Q went to the election
2. why didn't they come out when he was thrown out of the presidency?
3. why didn't they come out when he was leaving the country like a coward?
4. Why didn't they come out when his license of corruption NRO was torn apart by the Supreme court?
5. Why didn't they come out when his name was erased from the political history of Pakistan by the 18th Amendment?
6. Why Musharraf supporters have failed to hold even a 50 persons rally in his favour even after two years of his ouster?
And now you suddenly think that people are missing him
There are many other Why's only, but to begin with please answer these six only
Wake up my dear…or else keep on wishing like a true Musharraf Cyber lover.His lovers are as coward as he is and will never come out in open
I am NOT a supporter or Fan of Nawaz or Zardfari, but i am totally against these third rate sold out Military dictators who act as self proclaimed messiah and then run away like cowards….
Poor Musharraf Supporters….Why don't you do to UK and beg him to come to Pakistan ( The same country he looted and plundered for 8 years)
Take it easy man ….. just wait and see … don't call me or him coward …. i know you are not with Nawaz or Zirdari … you are either with that moron playboy Imran or with those airheads jamatis …. just take it easy and wait
I am taking it easy dear…As i said earlier you need to wake up…I have absolutely no political or religious affiliations…I am a Pakistani and that is an identity good enough for me…
The problem with the wait part is that it is the only Lame excuse Coward General's lovers have ….I have read this "" you just wait"" ranting at dozens of blogs in the last one year, but so far that Scum bag ain't coming back..
Regards
PS: Why didn't you answer the questions Dear??
c'mon buddy when you call us general's lover … it sounds nasty, don't you think? … any how …. its not excuse and it's not lame so i would again suggest to "wait" …. we all are Pakistani and i also truly love Pakistan ….. and that's why i am fan of this guy cause this guy is a true Pakistani … he spend his life fighting for Pakistan "literally" … so don't you think he deserves little respect from you against his services.. show some generosity buddy ….. and by the way //a problem without solution is not a problem// …. if you have issue with all politician then bring solution to the table rather than just criticism
People Views on Musharaf.(Saviour Of Pakistan) NOTE: Talat’s “Favourable” Comment for Musharraf is from 1:20 to 1:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iZQ34s0p5g&fe…
DAMMMNNN WHERE WERE YOU IN SPACE? HAS YOUR HATE AND BLINDNESS BLOCKED YOUR MIND FROM SEEING THINGS
PLEASE SEE THIS LINK OF A FORUM I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING FOR YEARS ON THIS LINK YOU SEE ALL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS FROM A SPECIFIC CITY : ISLAMABAD
YOU HAVE THIS INFRANSTRUCTURE/GOVERMENT INITIATED PROJECTS TOPIC ON EVERY LARGE CITY
INFRASTRUCTURE ISLAMABAD
http://www.urbanpk.com/forums/index.php?/forum/58…
COMPLETED ISLAMABAD
http://www.urbanpk.com/forums/index.php?/forum/65…
THANK MUSHARRAF! and see in what years these projects have been initiated and realized
YOU MAKE ME SAD BUT INSHA'ALLAH WE CAN ONE DAY STAND ON THE SAME SIDE
NEED MORE INFORMATION? PLEASE BE HUMBLE AND ACCEPT THAT COMPANIES WERE RUNNING TO INVEST IN PAKISTAN WHEN A DICTATOR WAS RULING, AND ARE MASSIVELY LEAVING WHEN THERE IS DEMOCRACY
AND STILL PEOPLE SCREAM FOR DEMOCRACY
THE GOLDEN AGE OF EUROPE WASN'T UNDER DEMOCRACY
FIRST PEOPLE NEED TO BE BROUGHT TO A CERTAIN SOCIAL-ECONOMIC POINT – FROM THERE – THERE CAN BE DEMOCRACY
Pakistan is not only Islamabad…where are the factories he promised, any single dam he constructed, any single power generating unit he set up….Stop this nonsense and wake up
Wah wah wah…Third class General…Back to his auqat..
Read this news piece
First he was doing tabla and now he is dancing…What a shameful excuse of an Army General, COAS and President he was
http://express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?new…
A very comprehensive and detailed analyses of the events which occured during the evil period of Army G. An evil ran away and paved the path for another evil. An evil after another evil…………how long it will continue like that. But the problem is that evil doesn't know that he is and his evil acts being projected as good for the country by his fellowers like PML-Q.
Well well,
who is trustworthy here, Zardari ? Nawaz shareef ?. I m dead sure non of use debating here can take both of them seriously.
Do we have somebody else to whom we can trust ? no … then what funny thing about Musharraf is, at least he got some sincere supporters from general public.
See, I never said Musharraf is Mr perfect but at least he is better then the one who are ruling us and one sitting silently in opposition and waiting for their turn :).
Why don't you guys compare Musharraf's Education / Achievements / Background with Zardari & Nawaz. I bet, you won't, you know why ?? because we are in a habit of not listening the truth we are in a habit of kicking good people out of the picture maybe because of cast and languages but we are like that.
You see, Load Shedding and other sick stuff is happening because we have asked for it .. Celebrate the democracy guys, you have almost f__ked the country.
that's right Usman
Democracy is the best revenge ……. from Awam or it's "living hell is the best revenge"….. as said by Adrienne E. Gusoff
Love u sis. Awsome article!! Nice to see that not everyone is brainwashed…
I'm doing a little home experiment to see if Musharraf was justified in his way of ruling:
http://umairkazi.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/musharr…
Thank you for writing this, Saira. Shows the true face of the monster who somehow is getting more and more popular these days.
Pakistan has hope till people like you are alive. Bravo. Keep it up.
I must say Saira that you are the first non Baloch I have come across who actually knew what was happening in Balochistan. Thank God there are people who know at least a bit of the truth about Balochistan.
As for the rest about Musharraf you've done what I probably would have done if it werent for my laziness.
Saira has described the tenure of this man in such a manner that I hardly came across. Democratic elected president, is he really democratic elected. It is the monarchy rule in the party which made him president. Credit goes to alliance and army which brought the chief justice back to his court. So, at least president corruption can be kept under check. He is not only greedy but extreme flirt man. Who likes wine and women. Which was seen during his shaking hands with Sarah Palin. A widower who recently burried his murdered wife was out there to see white skin women.
Thank you for this excellent write up..That womanizer and crap piece General is history any way
Just read what the youth of pakistan thinks about him
http://thenews.com.pk/newsmag/mag/detail_article….
i think pakistani youth still love him
125 universities all over pakistan mostly giving PhD degrees.
Stabalised economy you can see diff now.
educated cabinet and could defend Pakistan cause worldwide.
Proude and dignified
…..People of pakistan can imagin now what they have lost and if not yet then take some more time when they come out with their children begging on streets if they keep their eyes closed and elect looters to be their masters.Basically they are a slave nation
summun bukmun umun ———-a nation running after wester democracy that is something not for the illitrate people. How can they desire of democracy who donot know nothing what is right and wrong for them…..Allah bless and forgive them.
Inshallah
we love pakistan and wee support Musharaf he is no more a militry person.
Musharaf aey ga
It is human nature that they blind for what is good for them………
Cristian for Criest Jews from Moses
Hazrat Zakria and their nation……..
And Pakistanies ….from their best leaders…..who achieved something for them
Ayub Khan
Bhutto
Qadir Khan
Musharaf
all these guys were best of their time but left like they were the ugliest of the history…..we are a cruel nation.
We are cruel to ourselves to our generations and to the socalled cause we have in our minds……May Allah forgive us……for what he want us we are not capable for……
Koi president acha nahi milla
laiken Musharaf aur General Yehya khan dosron say ziyada Zaheen thay aur behtar hakomat unhe ke the.
Yeah right both of these 'Zaheens' left the country either in a collapse or verge of collapse!
No Idea about Yahya Khan .. but Musharraf left .. because you guys were asked for it … you were saying we want democracy and all shit which ends up with No Electricity, No Food, and blah blah blah problems …..
I was listing a PML(n) member was saying at the time of Musharraf the Power Shortage was 2500 MW and now it is 5500 MW with a lot of other troubles. Note : PML (n) the old rivals was saying that …
Also, This article was written in sept 2008 and it is still debated either Musharraf was Good or not .. so we took almost 1.5 years just to decide character of a person ? strange .. really strange …
If someone is not good .. like Mr 10% … 99% of us agree on that .. remaining 1% are somehow the part of his Govt … then if Musharraf is really a monster as written in above comments … then why it is taking too long for you guys to prove it.
Let me remind you, I am not taking Musharraf Part … I too didn't agree on the Lal Masjid action he took … that really hits me .. but if your enemy did some thing good you should appreciate him rather then just be unjustified.
Read the comment number 232 .. and post your reply ? If you don't find the answer .. simply write
"I didn't find any other better guy then Pervaiz Musharraf in the current political situation to rule us." please don't be racist be Practical
have some serious thoughts …
Agha Usman,
So you think we have no electricity because we wanted democracy?
Power plants don't run on military uniform or democracy, rather *leaders* envision the needs and plan accordingly. Musharraf was such a visionary leader that during his stay he made sure that he took steps that made him look good, nothing beyond that.
During his period, it was the duty of that govt to see the needs and plan for more power plants. Had he not been sleeping and busy in writing his memoir, things would have been different.
Was it not him, who accepted shippment of (surplus) wheat instead of F-16s?
He did not step down on the pressure of people. He stepped down following the commands of his sponsors. He wasn't needed any more.
All the goons that are running the govt now are his gift to the country.
Was he not the one who changed the law to allow BB and nawaz to run for another term, although they both had been PM two times.
Wasn't he the one who put the presidency in plate for Zardari?
Are not MQM assassins the ones who were in his govt and who murdered political activists of rival parties? Were not they his partners?
BTW, he was such a great Pakistani president that he now has to take asylum in a foreign land.
I hope some wise man could present him *chullo bhar pani* so that he could end him self in the deserts of Texas.
i think MUSHARRAF was a gr8 president of pakistan….aftr that…now i think no politician men sincere of pakistan…
Junaid bhai,
First off, you didn't read my comments carefully. What I am trying to say through out is He is better then the current political leader we have.
For your electricity claim, Follow Pervaiz Musharraf on Facebook he did accept there that it is the mistake of our govt that we didn't take good notice of electricity demand which cause some how in this shortage. Now tell me, did Nawaz sharif ever accept his mistake of attacking Supreme Court in his time. Never.
So, at least we have a guy in our political setup who accept his mistake and this is what required. Isn't it ?
And your "democracy is the best revenge" party is having fun in 5 start hotel where the whole Pakistan is in flood. I never see Musharraf visiting any country at the time of Earthquakes. Or did he ?
See brother, I myself against Musharraf due to Lal Masjid. but at least we should do enough justice to the one who did any single thing good with Pakistan.
Brother, we are in the habit to forget good things. An example of this is the defeat of Miss Fatimah Jinnah in the Presidential Election of 1965. Most probably, if Mr Jinnah (Quad-e-Azam) would have fought that election, He might face the defeat. You know why ? because we always have bunch of bad things regarding a personality which we can say to make him look bad. There are still people around who think Quad-e-Azam wasn't a good guy.
Anyway brother, I too don't want Musharraf to rule us. If you have any other option, Do tell me please. So that I can shift my mind.
Note : Nawaz sharif and Zardari are not acceptable. 😀
The person who started this thread is an naive person who probably things were are better off with the present establishment. What exactly has sham democracy delivered?
The only way to rule the country is with an iron hand, and frankly with zero mercy.
Honestly I welcome a tyrant dicatator who is loyal to the country any day that these so-called Political parties
Lets ban them all along with the land-owning aristocracy
Revolution baby – the best way
Just goes to show that you didnt even bother reading the article since i talk about that in the first two paragraphs!!
you were probably directed here by a friend or colleague to go post a negative comment. so sad you are the sort of people who count numbers and not facts.
@Saira
I was waiting for your 😀 …. Didn't get you before. All you wrote on your article is already known and is not also new in the history of Pakistan. These are some things that any President or Prime Minister will do if they face these conditions in their Ruling Tenure. I condemn most of things you mention (to which at least I agree) but you see Pakistan have a political culture we have to do so many things out of our wishes. How you guarantee me that Nawaz and Asif won't do such things ??? Name anyone in the current political setup ?
For your point no 10. Extremely disagree …. sorry Saira. You become little unjustified here. I have been in IT Industry since Nawaz Shareef time and I have literally seen this industry starting from 0 to reach at some top Industries in the world in the time of Musharraf. I have seen lots of International companies start investing here. Not only this, they have (thankfully) increased the salary packages of an IT person up 3X time. I remember, I started off my career in 5000 PKR / Monthly and recently I came to know that a fresh programmer can easily get 25,000 (5X). I am not sure about now a days I heard it is even worst.
Who increase these packages ? Investors …. who are comfortable to invest in Pakistan. Not only the banking sectors was doing tricks (disagree) but people are doing good businesses here. Earning money :D.
So with due respect @Saira .. You are wrong.
Now let me tell you the situation of your so called "Democratic" Govt.
1) A consultant from Pakistan contacted me 2 weeks back (I work and lived in Riyadh). He was thinking to shift his Development team to anywhere in GCC because he was saying that his clients and investors doesn't trust Pakistan so they asked him to cut the strength by 50% (unemployment) and take the remaining 50% to somewhere in GCC which is again costing high. He added, even if he needs to spend money from his own pocket and didn't earn any thing from these clients he still wants to do that because he didn't want these clients to get their work done from INDIA.
2) My manager here is an Australian, I asked him so many times to open our development wing in Karachi. Few days back he told me his concern. He thought, that Mr President will literally cut 10% of our sales. (This is lack of trust that didn't let investors to invest in your country). Then he was start laughing and said "In fact, now I heard that your president is getting 90% after he get the Govt." Ridiculous. I was force to be quit.
But you see like I said before. "We have asked for this". Saira I am not insulting your knowledge. I respect your opinion but I think people think you have to do a little justice here.
Point still is… if anyone analyses what I'm saying…I DO NOT SUPPORT the present government. Neither do I believe it is an actually democratic setup.
I wrote this article 2 years ago and all of these sad truths stand true today too.
yet we whine to bring back Musharraf or other parties who have also used/abused and damaged this country and its people.
why cant we bloody well wake up and stop being the pushovers that we are? why cant we start new? why is there no new blood in the parliament? why do we not support our small industry economy? why is there no self sustenance in food and energy? why do we create hatred between shia sunni ahmedi? why do we kill in the name of Allah? why do we lynch people to death in broad daylight (guilty or innocent)? why do we feel so insecure? why do we blame everything on america and india and never point fingers at the traitors within? why is that…
because we are a nation who love to be in sway of names and personalities and not actual political setups that could promise some reprieve.
so to hell with musharraf and to hell with zardari and to hell with nawaz shari. for they collectively looted this mother country of ours. and to hell with people who ask for the past back repeatedly.
Their is no patriotic leader after the assasination of Shaheed Liaqat Ali Khan(the last of its kind) ever since then for Pakistanis it always to choose bewteen two evil/devil…….on second thought the Pakistanis don't even have this choice because there is always selection and not election(under US supervision) sad but that's the truth.
@Ahsan Bashir :
Accepted the conflict in point of view you and I have with PPP. However, we shouldn't behave like this .. She is dead. Don't take it harsh but the discussion is quit serious :D.