Daily Times published today a detailed response by Samar Minallah on the fake flogging video she wraps up the article with some very touching words,” I will continue to challenge those who misuse Islam for power and politics. I will continue to raise my voice against individuals and political parties who use my religion to spread hatred. I will continue to expose and challenge the ‘conspiracy’ and ‘propaganda’ theories that try to befool the people of this country.” I give her my utmost support for the brilliant work she continues to do, and I believe the sentiments her article will be reflected in the same manner in an column I wrote for the upcoming launch of Express Tribune which set to launch this week, a link for which I shall share after its published
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I have already told in another comment she is not like that as it was discussed in other debate.
Both Ghazla (her mother ) and samar can be presented as Dadhi(aggressive) personalities like typical pathanis.
I watched them throughout the long march event, both are fearless characters and quite clear what were they doing.Once I told her that two beard men all time covering her movement during protest who before her arrival were just acting like beggars.She said no problem they followed me until I reached at my home.
You mean like mussarrat shaheeen?
I'l have to checkem out, old habits die hard.
she is in her defiance that she could also use fake videos to prove her right.
Dr khan
She is just dadhi like you.I dont know pushto or chitrali so cant judge her strong abusive power ,same like you for showing point of view use all kind of hidden human skills.
I think you are either in love with her ,by intentionally calling her different names as no reason of extreme hatred is found for this immature girl who is working in one of hard areas of Pakistan where even our daring soldiers are reluctant to go in line of duty.
She is whining like a typical woman and instead of giving convincing response, she is trying to blackmail people emotionally by saying words you just cited above.
Samar considers every Pakistani an idiot by producing a video could be rated more worst than any Lollywood movie by Syed Noor
Crooks like Samar and her western Funded NGOs always seek excuses to defame Islam and related things one way or other. Truth can't be hidden. Samar et all must understand that the country where people associate "Madni" and "Makkah" with their businesses can't embrace secularism and its related filth in Pakistan.
This is something which these liberal fundos need to understand.
I AM ALL PRAISE AND EXTEND DEEPEST COMMENDATION TO OUR
PUKHTUN SISTER, FOR HER DETERMINATION, COURAGE TO FIGHT
THE EVIL AND CONTINUE EXPOSING THEIR NEFARIOUS DESIGNS,
THIS IS WHAT WE ARE KNOWN FOR.
Bye the way she is Chitarli, speaking different language known chitarli and not a Pakhtoon
@Samar……………….
Much to the disappointment of many “professional conspirators”, the video was made by the Taliban and not by me. My role was merely to bring it to public attention.
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She was Taliban's distributor?
@Talkbaba
"She was Taliban’s distributor?"
Exactly 🙂 And remember the "proof" she offers is "ask Muslim Khan…"
I will continue to challenge those who misuse Islam for power and politics. I will continue to raise my voice against individuals and political parties who use my religion to spread hatred. I will continue to expose and challenge the ‘conspiracy’ and ‘propaganda’ theories that try to befool the people of this country.
I bet Salman Rushdie, Zardari, Altaf Hussain, Sheikh Rasheed, Kiyani and Bush and Cheney and Karazai pledge the same commitment to serving Islam and Muslims
Lol, lol, lol…
Samar Minallah, you missed your turn when IQ was being distributed to mankind
Abrar
Yes just like mussrat shaheen
the only lady of pukhton culture who had guts to stand against our all time mullah of riots and greed the fazulrehman.
Believe me pathans cant listen the language of any other class of Pakistan.
When they are happy in marriages or having babies they fire a lot.
we all others do in enmity of for self defense.
Recently they distributed sweets and celebrated enormously in death valley like province after approving the new name.
Any body can think that ANP belong to liberal class.
they are typical puktton like sultan rahee, to please him our hyper active dancing heroin eradicates all crops of our fields but not a single smile comes on his face until they fire from their gun or use gandasa against all kinds of enemies.
@ Adanan & Talkhaba,
Samar does put forth valid arguments, the conspiracy theorists would like to believe that behind every Taliban atrocity there is a “hidden hand”. Why anyone would put so much effort to forge a video when identical clips are available of the internet. Much to you disappointments the Taliban are barbarians and the flogging video was not surprise to those who have studied them in the past.
It would not be surprising if sympathizers like yourself would claim that all the bloodshed in Pakistan is due the “Western powers” for stupidity has no limits!! Dr. Shaib thank you for standing up against the Taliban Apologists your blog is doing a commendable job in this war of propaganda.
@Talkhaba: see I had already said before her own article that samar has some links with those who have created the mess in Tribal Areas. It would not be surprising Samar would have links with acorss the border as well
@Ammar: there is no usage of Cry like a little girl. Can you cite what points you found "convincing" which proves otherwise?
Do remember that the news was broken by Army officials themselves and it was mentioned by several online resources rather than THE NEWS only.
Much to you disappointments the Taliban are barbarians
And your sister Samar MinAllah is helping them, right?
As far as discussing extremism and barbarinism is considered, it;s funny people like you try to hide their own faith and try to attack on others.
Talibans' extremism is no lesser than Shias extremism who use knife and what not to torture their own kids in the name of Islam.
By the way, yours "Dr Saab" these days are making posts in favor of negotiations with Talibans. Just read the latest of Awab's father(?) about Taliban issue
I don't know when will this nation getrid of "Aqal K andhay" like you and Nazia
Aqalee nanoon waley adnan sadiquues sahib
If samar(daughter of ather minhallah) would have any time linked with talibans of mountains , i can assure you that her name was on the top of missing person.
Musharraf and like him his intelligence net work gone mad to discover any kind of criminal record of people who were backing the CJ movement.They only found the colorful hidden past and present activities of few judges and with the help of them they executed Nov emergency.
There is full margin in her case that someone working close to them triggered this issue after seeing their reactive nature and used them as front line to delivered this through them.
Our puktoon nation usually thinks for side aspects after executing all kinds of rough and rigid actions.
I through out felt that movie was fake as it only strengthened the concept strong miltiary actions in swat.They were among the group who was against war in swat.
So things are not coming in straight line until one more missing piece would be traced.
@Adnan – Since day one I have been talking about a peaceful negotiations never once NEVER ONCE have I approved of a blinded full time assualt on the people of Pakistan – reports continue to emerge where its updated tht drones are blind as a bat – they are only good as the intel on the ground – our civilian popultion has suffered – and imagine the peaceful dialog lasted for 2-3 weeks after which we have given the Army full authority to do as they please – with ZERO checks on making sure they dont go overboard – ISPR reports fromt eh groun – selectively reporting a positive war !!!
its not an apolgetic stance its a humane stance – Army will NEVER behave – you know that, we all know that
While I fully stand behind Samar's effort to whistel blowing – the video was staged – does not mean that it was not held – IT WAS HELD – how hard the women got whipped is for us to decipher – and if she acted the part – imagine a PLAY/DRAMA made for the purpose – does nto mean to say Samar lied – I support her and other whisltel blowing videos – its the only way to let the citizen reporter catch the culprits in action – this might have been a fake – others might not be !!!
Adnan,
At many points we have differences, but please do not equate Teetho to Nazia.
I can not forget his post on Salman Rushdie.
He may have a different point of view but honestly I believe it would be really unfair to equate him to Nazia.
There are many times that I felt teetho should write a blog on topics like the target killing of Pakistanis in Baluchistan, or the assasination of Maulana Saeed Jalalpuri and other, but we can not force him to.
@ Teeth Maestro
“I support her and other whisltel blowing videos – its the only way to let the citizen reporter catch the culprits in action – this might have been a fake – others might not be!!!”
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I'm shocked to read these words. Will not comment as there remains no difference between right and wrong, and original and fake for you. My only opposition to Zaid Hamid was because his is false and I am against the so-called civil society because major part of it of liars.
@ Dr.Awab Sahib!
i appericiate your efforts for the civil rights,justice for common men and against the corruption in pakistan. I can also understand your position,as a libertarian it is very hard for you to criticise other activist.But it is also true that many of civil right actvists have their own agenda and activities beside their obvious actvism.i do not mind if some one fight for the civil right in negation of fundamentalism but "faking" like that video is itself proves that it is not about human/women rights violation.It is clearly a service of foreign interest, who want to promote more violance in our society.I believe that it will also unacceptable for you also.
I believe that a fair and open judicial inquiry about the flogging video will be reasonable demand.
Best regards
I wonder whether the champion of Justice Mr Iftikhar would take suo moto action against SamarMinAllah who's actually (sister?) of Athar MinAllah,the advisor of CJ?
The CJ must open the case and start investigation against her NGO and Many other NGOS which are funded by money floats from UK,US and Canada.
Again CJ
you people find no other person except him.There are thousands other executives who have spare time for digging out such conspiracy that only supported the mongel actions of our army.
@Nazia/Awab: It's not ME! That's Samar MinAllah who is saying that the video was made by Taliban. How come Samar got the video? did she go herself or some Taliban visited her home?
Why someone from remote area visit to Samar only and give the video? How the person knew that Samar would be helpful. How Samar was sure that it was done by Talibans? Does this mean she has some contacts inside millitants arena and she helped them to prepare a video which at once side aid defaming Islam while on other hand that radical woman wanted to send a message to outer world that Pakistan had been hijacked by right wing Fundos hence its OK to invade Pakistani area and demolish everything. There are few dots which are missing and in coming days things would get clear further.
Even a person who is ignorant of current world affairs will admit that current drone attacks killed more of civilians than terrorists and Americans are not finding clue what to do hence they are offering negotiation to Talibans. I just read today that Karzai woes to Join Taliban govt if He is not listened by West. Just read below:
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-…
@Awab: I read your tweets and I know what you talk about. I referred you in reply to Ammar who was trying to close his eyes from reality.
Talkhaba, you say that according to you prostitute is not only who sells his/her body but that too who sell his/her soul for money. It is understood from your piece that by your rant you are trying to market the sick ideas spewed by Zaid Hamid and his ilk, so what one should call you promoter, pander or pimp. I hope this may make you realize that certain words have extremely obnoxious connotations and it is better to avoid the same.
@Maher Elahi
I don't know whether you were there or not but this guy known as Talkhaba has been running campaign against Zaid Hamid for more than two years.
Besides, Blogging is not source of income for me like the samar earn from documentary [read it fake] making. I do an excellent job and do blogging as Jihad with focus on exposing the so-called liberals, liberal fascists and liberal Fasadis including the leftist parties, so called NGOs and a major part of the so-called civil society. in fact this small minority has hijacked the masses of Pakistan. My aim is to emancipate the masses from this minority of fascist which has been silent over the killing of patriotic pakhtoon Muslims brothers at the hand of world terrorist no-1 USA and its mercenaries
@Talkhaba,I do apologize for considering you one from the misguided pack of Zahid Hamid, yet the use of foul language against those with whom you do not agree is unconscionable. You as a seasoned blogger know that english is a rich language as far as vocabulary is concerned and it is very easy to find some less offensive substitute.
Again I am afraid that your crusade against liberaal fascists gives you away as some one brain washed by narrowminded and loud mouthed talk show hosts of Pak TV networks and assorted columnists of vernacular press.
A liberal is the one who qustions moribund norms and traditions and seeks progress and betterment, while a fascist mired in past glory seeks inspiration in superiority of one's own race, caste, riligion or nationality. As such the liberals and fascist are diametrically opposed. For example in India while Manmohin Singh and Arundti Roy are liberals, Nrendra Modi and Bal Thakrey are fascists, similarly you can pick up liberals and fascists in Pakistan.
Talkhaba
your knowledge about is quite weak and if you have such a standard of judging people then try to come out of net world and see the real life of prostitutes and pimps.
Is she confessed or proved in any way that she made all this.
I think you have missed the scene in TV showed where she verbally attacked on bijrani and one balochi minister on vani and girl education issues.Whole world has seen this debate but I think you missed it.
If I am not wrong she is just student of master in Islamabad university what should you accept from her.
People like you selected them and sent to fort of Parliament where they are quite secured.
So dont accept from people who have no state authority.She is known as symbol of resistance might be weak or unstable but no way like that as you are exaggerating.
As responsible citizens we must post (propagate)what is true. We must not become tool (read FL) in the hands of puppeteers. It is responsibility of journalist/ blogger to check validity of claims before distributing it far and wide. samar minallah is guilty as hell and bears burden of all innocent civilians killed in op rahe-ghalat, not to mention scorched earth, destroyed livestock, land, crops, gardens and broken lives. Just visit the place once called SWAT and Orakzai and Parachinar.
All ranters favouring her have never been to the area. And all favouring her would hate to be held responsible for what they write. For any wrong done in paper print or cyber print would have his/ her tongue or hand cut off for telling/ writing lies. Criminals do flock together. All those supporting such acts are Munafiq as per Hadith. And we are not to judge the intent. That is Creators domain and we dare not tread there. Stop playing gods by giving margine for innocent intents.
Dont you read Samar minallahs statement. How audaciously she says that she shall continue doing so (read w/o verification). She shall continue spewing venomous vile propaganda.
Please note the origin of NGOs. In west…these were indigenous local orgs funded by people to fight state corruption or accomplish what state could not achieve. In 3rd world, 3rd class people ..it is the opposite. These NGOs are funded from abroad through state funds of foreign govts. Hence they are meant to serve their agenda. Any one here..I challenge to register an NGO and get funds for his/ her community..see what happens.i guess none here has ever bothered to read guidelines for getting funds from USAID, JICA, AUSAID, DFID. DO so and find out.
taken from the NEWS letter page
‘Fake’ video
Monday, April 05, 2010
I am writing in connection with a recent news item published in a section of the media regarding the flogging video of a Swati girl. Unfortunately, the flogging incident took place in my area — Kabal tehsil of Swat — and its video was not a fake as some media persons would like us to believe. I did confirm it with my friends and family members at that time, and once again during the last few days. They verified that one junior Talib wanted to marry that girl, and at the refusal of the girl’s family, the Talib threatened the family with a humiliating revenge. In collusion with his seniors, the Talib retaliated by arranging to flog the girl on frivolous charges of being seen with a stranger — though the man was an electrician who had gone to repair some electric wires at the girl’s house. Even the then Taliban spokesman, Muslim Khan, verified it and tried to justify the flogging in the light of his Taliban interpretation of religion.
Samar Minallah and her NGO, Ethnomedia, are credible names in the fight for the rights of the oppressed, especially women, both within Pakistan and internationally. They are doing a great job of exposing women’s exploitation in different forms like women trafficking, bride-money and marriage-with-the-Quran. She should be supported by all right-minded Pakistanis and Muslims in her struggle against exploitation and oppression, and should not be subjected to false allegations as the media is currently doing at the behest of some vested interests.
Tayyab Ali Shah
Regina, SK, Canada
Anon
lets work on this point that movie was fake and samar allegedly did.
muslim khan wanted terrorists it has been endorsed officially.
So every thing is clear to public
then why LEAs are not arresting her she is moving free in city of ISI HQ .
She could be arrested on the basis of many charges like
for producing fake video that made wrong perception of Pakistan all over the world.
Her connection with Muslim khan group as she is taking responsibility of taking it to media.
Authenticity of her NGO can be questioned as it is working mostly on war areas.
So you see we have lot of reasons to grab her but all is being limited to only part of propaganda in these days particularly those people who once stood for long march event..
how ignocent you are. we live in a country which is ruled by NROfied President and his league. When they could not be arrested then how remains of Musharraf(MinAllah family) could be held?
It seems there is some link between Muslim Khan and Samar MinAllah.
CJ Iftikhar should take action against his advisor AtherMInAllah's sister to spread lies and anarchy in the country.
On a related note, Dr Jawad.s piece about this left wing radical,Samar:
kashifiat.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/swat-flogging-how-dajjali-system-works/
http://kashifiat.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/swat-fl…
sorry for typo in last message
You are just playing the role of strong propagandist in the blog world.
Dr khan raised the important points but too late and still all allegations are in air nothing more then hue and cry or blame game after creating all kind of mess in swat valley.
Senate chairman and rehman malik ordered an inquiry?
where is that inquiry taking place and to whom that duty has been assigned.
Both are top beneficiaries of NRO through army establishment and occupying important seats via army consent.
Lets wait for their anian janian in coming days as SC is moving toward decision making position on NRO .
See this also a video but not a fake one
http://vimeo.com/10696380
Such kind of scenes are not strange for people of swat and north side as our army and drone attacks flying on the basis of local intelligence are doing same kind of combat mission.We have lost many journalist too in the line of duty.So when army men plann such cynical combats, they are not in need of fake video but actually such videos are part of this mission as a reason of justification.Here US marines were doing to Muslims but judge the sentiments of muslim Pakistani Pilots/shooters who did this all on Pakistani soil and its civilian.They day we would have strong govt, it is matter of time to get many of such home ground stories.People and media men already have such stories but all are afraid of consequences as they know what would be their fate if truth would be shown to people.
Same Iraq and Saddam Hussein [US Declassified Documents and Videos like above] – Rumsfeld shakes hands with Saddam (full video, no sound) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r42oejmpkgw
(Right: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on December 20, 1983.) [The National Security Archive] The Declassified US Government Documents http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/pres…
@ Adnan & Talkhaba,
Firstly do take some time and watch this video where the Taliban spokesperson claims responsibility for the flogging act
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKrfwXD6A34
I fail to comprehend how “women rights” is only a western agenda, and this is not just about women rights but it is a sheer violation of basic human rights. I am not opposed to reconcillation but it must not be on the lines of the Sawat accord where the state gave in to the demands of militants and established a parallel system of justice. We should rehabilitate those who are ready to repent and for those who vow fight must be dealt with an iron fist.
@ Adnan please do articulate what are you trying to suggest? All that bloodshed is due to a big conspiracy? For I strongly believe that no amount of espionage cannot cause such a militant movement unless there is a conducive home ground.
where is that Taliban Spokesperson now? Why hasn't he been executed yet?
Mind he has the same credentials, same US visits and Same PPP background which Samar and his whole family has.
Little Ammar,
who's even favoring Muslim/Non-Muslim Khan. I already said that I have theory that both Samar and Muslim Khan are partner in crimes.
@Ammar!
1) women rights issue is has become exclusively a political rather than a social issue….why? because those who are leading the case of women are giving us a purely westernized,anti religion and anti cultural solution of women's problem.
the way these faminist NGOs are being "listened",
"supported" and "promoted" by the west clearly tells us the different story.i mean isn't it funny that those societies
i.who prefer destroying their extra crops in a fear of deadness of trade,
ii.never offer their technology to the poor especially muslim countries
ii.never allocate their funds for poor and deprived people around the world
iii.societies which are especifically islamophobic
are offended by muslim women right violation? then why they start licking their own spit when a muslim woman demand her right to wear hijab?
and what are these women rights associations are demanding? more disgusting social liberties….why we always see a disgusting kind of vulgarity in the workers of these NGOs.
it is not just talkaba's immaginiation but the truth is that most of the women right association activists have the appearence,body language and style similar of prostitute.
2) people of swat really enjoyed the benefits of shariya law and they also experienced the injustice by our neocolonial judicial system.it was/is a popular demand of the poeple of swat.kindly do not camoflage the genuine public demand with purely extremism. some times different and opposite issue overlap each other.things are not use to be as simple as black and white all the time.
3) some time i am disgusted by the pure denail. Americans,Indian and others have a undeniable history of hostilities against muslims and Pakistan.Especially Americans have all the knowledge,resources and experties required to destablizie any country. open your eyes and see what they did with the countries of south american continent, iraq, afghanistan and with every one who cooperated with them…
4) why the spokesman confirmed the flogging incident is a big question for me and its right answer may solve many puzzles of the violance in Pakistan.
To those who consider local NGOs are NOT dependant on grants given by West are actually fools in paradise. Be it Sharmin Obaib Chinoy,Asma Jihangir and now this Sumar. These crooks are on payroll of their western employers.
Without even verification the Lahore High Court says that Flogging is not True Picture of Islam [Sunnah says it is very much Islamic to flog who is guilty] Girl’s flogging not true picture of Islam, says LHC judge By Our Reporter Sunday, 12 Apr, 2009 05:08 AM PST http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-…
If Flogging is not Islamic as LHC Judge says then what about "Milad"??? Is Milad Islamic and if it is then where it is ordered in Sunnah to hold Milad Processions and Gatherings.
@ Dr Jawwad,
In my opinion the Sawat flogging video should not be seen as a case of “women rights” solely as it was heinous act against humanity. For me if it was man, women or a transgender the mere act of brutality should be condemned. Many would differ from Samar Minallah opinions and perceptions but it should not be used a score card. There is conclusive evidence of the video being fabricated and the newspaper who published this news item has yet to furnish details or refutation.
What is it with you tedious right-wingers? All of you are apologists for those that peddle violence in the name of religion. And when their barbarity reaches proportions that are rejected by the people, you immediately term your previous heroes "Amreeki-Yahoodi-RAAAAA" agents.
And never will you people actually get to the bottom of the issue, which is that the problem is not who perpetrated that violence, but why and in whose name it was perpetrated. It is the barbaric, medieval punishments thrown down by your religion that are problematic. It would be equally nauseating if a clean-shaven, "shehri" Musalman were to flog a woman or "honour"-kill her, as a bearded mullah nutcase in the ass-end of the tribal areas.
hey who let the kids poke in?
Danial go and play outside. You got to be an adult to understand what is called "Ameerki" or "Yahoooodi"
By any definition, I'm an adult. And can actually spell "Amreeki" unlike you.
But why don't you go ahead and impart your wisdom?
And I respond to samar Minallah:
No Surprise: Samar ‘Albright’ Minallah Unrepentent
(WARNING: It's a LONG piece)
Forget another warning
This content contains the abusive language with some violence.
So parents discretion is permitted.
Oh yeah — forgot about that: As Nazia has pointed out:
"This content contains the abusive language with some violence" though I don't know which 'violence' she is talking about (it is always interesting to me how people tend to focus on "abusive language" and "violence" in words and completely ignore the actual hardcore abuse and real violence, but I guess that is the "civilized" way)
Hope you can ignore those few words and focus instead on the real stuff…
@Adnan Siddiqi says:
"To those who consider local NGOs are NOT dependant on grants given by West are actually fools in paradise. Be it Sharmin Obaib Chinoy,Asma Jihangir and now this Sumar. These crooks are on payroll of their western employers."
Indeed. BTW: Did you know the whole Minallah family is on the USAID payroll? Samar, her sister, her brother (Yes CJ's Spokesperson Athar), Athars wife ALL run NGOs.
If you want to find out more about NGO "independence" (Ha!), see my comment elsewhere. It quotes the relevant parts from Unconventional Warfare in the 21st Century: U.S. Surrogates, Terrorists and Narcotraffickers talking about the Army Special Operations Forces FM 3-05.130, titled “Unconventional Warfare”.
Nota
In line of duty one should take care of limits of enmity too.
But this things cant come in uncivilized mind and you proved through your cocktail like assumptions in your messy report(you declared it so no offense on me)
As name of your blog itself explains your mental tendency toward abusiveness so I accept whole heartily that I throw my fair advice to garbage bin and you again proved it but no doubt with some civilized touch.
Now If you paste the head of Your buddy Musharraf on tower of the skulls then it is more explicit and suitable exactly as per facts.
So in your show of talent of your abusive superficiality
you say
She herself is undeniably — and admittedly — a “pro” NGO b!tch and we are very clear who her bosses are).
You still have no courage to write her Bitch I do it on you behalf.
Its good you know her bosses who might be foxy personality go and catch them and punish them stoning to death but before cursing her to the level of extremism give us evidence and name of her bosses.
I am sure your clue would be lead to some intelligence agencies.
Oh SORRY hOW YOU CURSE them.Not at all.
I am impressed by your daring intentions of exposing bitch but but you should expose them along with bastards too.
you said
And I will continue to expose lying b!tches like you whose think their religion gives them the right to screw your father-in-law and have her brother as a pimp (see below; and speaking of pim brothers,
What a hidden talent of exposing crime by covering whole family in a para.
Now I give you name of some top cream of army men who are behind the talibinasiton or who support her father in law as per your high profile investigation.
Gen babar, Gen zia,gen akthar, gen gul, gen amjad, gen mehmood, brig Ijaz shah,gen alvi (whom you killed as he mentioned the name of gen tariq majeed who has strong links with loving taliabns in letter to lawyer and his sister)
and all in all gen kiayni.
ohooo
I again assigned wrong job to wrong man
How can you do it is impossible?
I can and I would continue to do it in proper way wihtout using a single abusive word.
So you have assigned a job surely through some crack nut of ISI or any intelligence agency of our high tech army who cant secure her GHQ but preparing you to abuse and throw mud to 5 ft unarmed, tiny girl who is working on hard areas mostly on those issues which our govt is avoiding and where even our men cant think of going.
@Nazia
You are not making any sense besides showing I got your panties all in knots. Geez! And I thought I was a poor writer!
When you have calmed down and that time of the month is over, please try again. I can not make the head or tail of what this gibberish means. Don't feel bad about asking someone for help. Nothing embarrassing about that (at least not as embarrassing as being the author of the above comment) 😉
Here are the bits I got:
I think you are calling me "uncivilized", and in an indirect way, calling yourself "civilized". If you are "civilized", me being your direct opposite, would certainly then take pride in being called that by the likes of you 🙂
Then you blabber: "Its good you know her bosses who might be foxy personality go and catch them and punish them stoning to death but before cursing her to the level of extremism give us evidence and name of her bosses."
Glad you asked (though if you had the least bit of awareness, I am sure you would have understood WHO I was referring to)! I AM naming them in my next piece (am almost done with it) but be forewarned it is llllooonnnngggg and you robably don't have the attention span or the mental ability to comprehend what it will contain even though I am writing it in plain language.
"Now I give you name of some top cream of army men who are behind the talibinasiton or who support her father in law as per your high profile investigation."
You seem to be fascinated by the father-in-law bit 🙂 But you missed the part about that being a quote from Ms Minallah herself — actually it was the defense she offered a year ago and stated all the girl was doing was have illegitimate relations with her father-in-law and was being pimped out by her brother. Her words — Not mine. 😉
"So you have assigned a job surely through some crack nut of ISI or any intelligence agency of our high tech army who cant secure her GHQ but preparing you to abuse and throw mud to 5 ft unarmed, tiny girl who is working on hard areas mostly on those issues which our govt is avoiding and where even our men cant think of going."
Oh I think what you are trying to say is:
"So you have been assigned a job by some cracknut ISI or intelligence agency of our high tech army who cant secure her GHQ but have prepared/asked you to abuse and throw mud AT a 5 ft unarmed, tiny girl who is working IN hard areas mostly on those issues which our govt is avoiding and where even our men can't think of going."
This is so bloody hilarious! Thanks for the laugh.
BTW: If you had understood English, you would have understood that the gist of my article was that her video was used by the army as an excuse kill the peace deal to launch the bloody operation in Swat (and make "their war" into "our war"). And the "5 ft unarmed, tiny girl" is hardly unarmed. She has the most lethal weapon in her hand. Holy Batman, you are dense!!!
Remember: Don't reply till the hormones stop playing havoc with the little brain you have (though I have a feeling you will :-P)
Regards!
P.S. don't miss my next post in the series. I will drop you a link here so you can bounce around the walls once more 😉
@Nazia: Trust me, even Samar is not defending herself the way you are defending that "Tiny" and "Innocent" Girl. Shah se zyda Shah k Wafadar?
"even our men cant think of going"
Right. Only woman like Samar can ridicule a religion and a trible just for sake of few dollars. No wonder she was easily sold out
@Nota: your article was cool
@Adnan Siddiqi
"@Nazia: Trust me, even Samar is not defending herself the way you are defending that “Tiny” and “Innocent” Girl. Shah se zyda Shah k Wafadar?"
Funny, no? 😉
"@Nota: your article was cool"
Thanks! 🙂
Adnan
trust you on what matter in this net world of dodges.
Here people come with different IDs to enforce their point of views on other.
You are chasing the wrong clues.
I am just pointing out
If these NGOs are so powerful then why women in rural areas are not able yet to improve themselves? why villagers are still suffering?
Nazia, you need to face the real world instead of idealizing the world you see on Internet or on TV. I wonder why Nazia deliberately hide that how such women "use" these female villagers and their talent to earn money. There are so called charity NGOs in Pakistan who given very little amount of handicraft and other stuff to skilled women and then sell them out of Pakistan in very expensive cost. Shame on such "literate beggars" who are dependent on these poor villagers.
No way I am defending her but making objection the way people are attacking her .
This flow of propaganda has some purpose which is also linked with the projection of movie in wrong way before swat war.
I say that she did a mistake by projecting the movie at very wrong time but how it becomes crime I am waiting for proper inquiry and positive criticism.
She is neither shah nor I am her wafadar as she and her family is known as anti miltiarism in state and they declare it publically wihtout any fear.
So this can be reason of such filthy base less propaganda against young people who are at least doing some kind of social work in the difficult areas instead of running away to western destinations
There are chain of such NGOs as you mentioned but if they do wrong it is job of government but it is seen that behind such NGO the character of any govt official is hidden to transfer smooth funds from different legalities.
@Adnan Siddiqi
I cover NGOs in detail in my next post. I should have it up at the latest by tomorrow. In the meantime, here is an article I mention that is worth a read:
Why They Hate Our Kind Hearts, Too: The NED, NGOs and the Imperial Uses of Philanthropy
Next one's out:
Additional Notes on Samar Minallah, Swat Video, And NGOs
@Nazia
I don't think it contains any profanities but it is much, MUCH, longer (so don't bother attempting it for your own safety)
@Adnan
"If these NGOs are so powerful then why women in rural areas are not able yet to improve themselves? why villagers are still suffering?"
Taliban is the enemy of US and hence the (fake) videos. The women in rural areas in general are "owned" by the feudals=American allies hence no action needed from foreign paid NGO's.
@Dr Alvi
"While I fully stand behind Samar’s effort to whistel blowing – the video was staged – does not mean that it was not held – IT WAS HELD – how hard the women got whipped is for us to decipher – and if she acted the part – imagine a PLAY/DRAMA made for the purpose – does nto mean to say Samar lied – I support her and other whisltel blowing videos – its the only way to let the citizen reporter catch the culprits in action – this might have been a fake – others might not be !!!"
I don't know how even our educated intellectual class can fall so much into their prejudice and self pride that even deceptions look a sincere move to them.
No matter how much good the cause is, means also justify the reason behind it.
We are too much into left right stuff that we have forgotten the basic values of truth and justice.
I am against all kinds of priest rule (sufism, mullahism and anyother which bounds one man to follow the understanding of others) but it doesn't mean that in my hatred with the system I start spreading falsehood and set wrong principles. The flogging video played a vital role (it shouldn't but it did) in disrupting the peace process their and provided solid grounds to launch a massive attack on civilian areas in the name of picking these few hundred men.
Its not liberalism its fascism in its own class. Hitler was not a mullah, he had Goebbles for lies and deceptions tactics and he is a declared tyrant and an evil figure. But if I see the parameters we have set for liberalism in Pakistan (especially in this weapon-blood-dollar aka war on terror)then Hitler can also be considered as a liberal.
We need to think our strategy as a nation especially those who can like you.
Nota
You proved what I thought about you.
When people have nothing to retort they look for language mistakes and you did it well.
You have noticed my in, on it like words ,may be through word processor but I am surprise your software didn't check your repetitive B!TCH term.Even you ignored your low level attack on lady who is not even charged by any official way.
When people cant judge between mirror and glass view, such things happen.
You look fond of viewing through glass in which faults of other is visible more but when you stand in front of mirror it is you and your impression only in your vision.No others expression can influence in this mirror view .
You would haves surely found no sense in my comment as my common sense has quite different than your "special" terms.
By the way do you know how much she and her NGO earned in dollars from CIA based funds through projection of such movie.
You are through out making an expression as she made this movie and then distributed.
You solved this mystery but our interior ministry , interior secretary and even your network of intelligence agencies couldnt officially prove its falseness.
Oh what a high profile link you found as she made that movie on the themes of CIA tactics.
Bravo NOTA what a totta ( means piece used in punjabi term kindly avoid to look in english dict) you have linked.
I am sure in your coming links you would prove that her mother and grandfather had strong link with mossad who helped him to escape from Pakistan in zia regime.
Our army was not so choochi(chicken) who was waiting for such scenes to start its one of strongest comabat in her land.
I again said wait until some one dare to make proper inquiry.
Your lengthy cut and paste and baseless allegations are part of unconventional weapons just like that movie
Mr NOTA
In you country many women are raped and gang raped on daily basis.They are killed on the basis of honor, property issue or n demand of some unconventional request on marriage and education purpose.On daily basis women folk are tending toward prostitution due to economical instability in this region due to war games.
Many times army men were found guilty in such cases too.
They never bothered to listen the cries of ladies eg, capt ummad rape case, balochi women found in army custody in baluchsitan or gang rape of married lady in the tomb of Quaid by rangers personals.
So think about them and give less attention to Samar like social workers until you get proofs.
So how our
@Nazia
You are still not making any sense. That is why I advised you to wait a few days before you attempted this. That advise was in good faith 😉
Its funny that the Lady Nazia is disturbed due to *abusing* a women but has no disturbance that how that sick lady abused a religion by making fun of a punishment prescribed in a religion.
No wonder seculars and atheists are two side of a coin.
No no adnan
I am neither disturbed nor grilling you for your logic free blame games and imaginary accuses.
It will sounds you funny when I would say that I am against hand cutting punishment if it would only applied to lower and poor class of society.
I would on accept such punishments if state would cut the hands of loan defaulters,looters of govt funds and huge donations and give benefit of doubt to poor due to absence of reasonable economical opportunities in our system.
I surely react on haddood ordinance after knowing it is mostly applied to already suppressed class.
Qasaa and diyat like ordinance can benefit mostly rich class who can pay easily for their sins and crimes.Poor has to bear the worst in so called Islamic state.
So love your concepts and religion but give space to other ideas too.It might sound you funny or idiotic but people have their own way of living and important thing is how they live and work in diffcult surroudning.
I only give some support to those ladies as they were on street of Islamabad when maximum incidents of suicidal bombing was going on .
Through many journalists I have tried to probe any kind of hypocrisy in their acts and attitude but all negated my apprehensions. So I am making their images on the basis of real life presentation, people's impressions on their work and little through reading their gestures.
That is why I am not believing you on following basis Perhaps you people might be fake,
a part of propaganda team or for time passing activity,mud slinging is your favorite hobby.
So you see doubts /apprehensions and use of abusive way always create ambiguity in expressions and relations.
Explicit personality is always easy to understand as compare to hidden personalities of net world.
Never think I am idealizing her but I always praise to those people or groups who prefer to work practically in odd areas and difficult situation.
@Adnan Siddiqi
"Its funny that the Lady Nazia is disturbed due to *abusing* a women but has no disturbance that how that sick lady abused a religion by making fun of a punishment prescribed in a religion."
Have to take a little exception to that. What I find disgusting is that Nazia and Samar (and the so called "civil society") have this big disconnect. They see this "flogging" bit as the greatest crime in history AND justify it to abuse/kill/maim/render homeless/make orphan thousands/destroy livelihood of millions/etc. of people who had nothing to do with the flogging, besides abusing the religion — and that too their own.
Nota
dont worry too much about my days and my god gifted senses.
try to watch mirror in free time as much as possible in a day.That might prevent you to join tableeghi jammat in old days as future of people who are expert in mud throwing for paid jobs are like that.More you see through the mirror more you would find black patches on your face.
I have already told you that bring some concrete evidences of her illegal earning, her wrong doings on the name of social work and I wouldnt say a single word in her favour.
You have lost your credibility in first step of criticism by just abusing a female on the name of baseless investigation.
You can call me lady of red light area, slums ,leader of bitches etc without any proof, what ever as per your upbringing but it reflects your mental approach not my status.
So keep showing your skills I am here to counter you as per my limitation.
@nazia!
nazia is made in germany.your fingers shall start feeling pain but Nazia will remain unaffected. 🙂
@Nazia
Interesting you are still fixated on the b!tch part (btw: I use the "!" in there so it does not end up in moderation, so there goes your brilliant theory)
Has anyone told you your mind is so fvcked up you wont see the truth if it hit you in the face? I bet when you see the mirror or that video some childhood abuse must come back to haunt you. It is that distorted lens that you seem to be seeing everything through.
"You can call me lady of red light area, slums ,leader of bitches etc without any proof"
It almost seems a wish you have. "Hurt me, spank me, any way you want me", eh? No I don't need to as your own comments do a swell job of it and offer all the proof if indeed one was to follow through with your request 😉
I feel sorry for you. Get a life.
@dr jawwad khan
No she can't be German — Just "Made As German" in Gujranwala. The proof is her comment below (#37) 🙂
Oh come on dr khan
Come out of your tableeghi cell.
I have tried my best to give relief to your inflicting fingers but you love to live in this painful utopia.
I have to take little pain of telling you that my name is nazia not nazi.
Nazi is pure Germany origin and its was a nickname given to the political party led by Hitler . It was short for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (or National Socialist German Worker's Party).
You dont consider me normal Muslim but believe me my mother is pious Muslim lady and she picked that name which meaning she thought was like naaz karna, feeling proud
Nazia: pride
From other sources
Meaning of the name Nazia Arabic: STRONG AND INDEPENDENT
Nazia in Persian version)
Optimistic and Full of hope
So whether you believe it or not but I would prefer to die the day I let down the honor of my country and family values.
Oh yes there is no harm in countering extremist like you on the spot.But if you still feel pain in your delicate fingers, consider me effector of your brain muscle contraction so that you activate more than your hidden talent.
"Oh yes there is no harm in countering extremist like you on the spot.But if you still feel pain in your delicate fingers, consider me effector of your brain muscle contraction so that you activate more than your hidden talent."
Pure genius!
(Actually the whole comment is :-P)
Thanks nota for praising my genius vision with your unlimited generosity.
In your fake world you can spill as much anger in form of abuses as you want.
Even you can crush me under bulldozer five times a day in your angry thought.
but reality need facts with out hitting to other faces as facts speak itself.
You can develop ways to jump over moderation limit but it didnt apply in my comment so at least you understand that this term need moderation which completely lacks in your emotions.Other wise Dog lovers always use Shedog word before presenting their bitches.
Again I emphasize that focus your energy and research toward those monsters who created and implemented this taliban culture on our system.
Get the people who actually gain benefit through projection of such movie.You are just blaming the transmitters who looks fooled by some close one.
@Nazia
"Other wise Dog lovers always use Shedog word before presenting their bitches"
Oh do explain. i am no good at canine talking habits.
Get the people who actually gain benefit through projection of such movie.You are just blaming the transmitters who looks fooled by some close one.
Now if you truly understand what you are saying here, do you know you are agreeing with me 99%:
1. Samar Minallah is "transmitting" on behalf of "the people who benefit" (here is the only disagreement: You think Samar was fooled; I think she knew exactly what she was doing AND she admitted it herself in her last defense)
2. I DO get the people who actually gain benefit through projection of such movie (and that includes Samar Minallah who DOES BENEFIT making these videos as that is her JOB)
See for example:
http://fkpolitics.wordpress.com/tag/army/ http://fkpolitics.wordpress.com/tag/kiyani/
Nota
your allegations don't fit with my personal experience and observation about minhalla family,
Just read her letter
A letter to Benazir Bhutto from Ghazala Minallah
Ms BHUTTO, A FREE JUDICIARY BUT DETAINED JUDGES???
http://pakistanmartiallaw.blogspot.com/2007/12/le….
She and her family always stood against miltiary dictators and still giving backup supports(morally and legally) to missing people's relatives.It is another proof of their acts against military's bullying attitude.
During long march she was the one who distributed slogans among participants and mostly were against wardi gurdi.
I met some relatives of missing people who were obliged to this family for giving them all kind of support and you know, it all goes against intelligence agencies.
So I told you that I am not swallowing your blames as I have witnessed all their sentiments against miltiary policy.
@Nazia
"She and her family always stood against miltiary dictators"
A quick point: Did you forget Athar was a NWFP Minister under Mush? That is hardly "always" standing against military dictators 😛
I love to be labeled as made in gujranawal instead of germany.
You dont know about another specialty of gujranwala and it is roasted chirras?(sparrows) which we like to serve to our chirri phalwan.
If you have taste for such delicacies then I would arrange for you too.
@nota
Please show some mercy. I don't know whether you have noticed that Nazia is one of those very few people who find "logic" in Amir Mughals links/stories. Ehemmm do I need to say more.
Before I am blamed by "someone" I admit that belong to tableeghi jamat 😉
@Observer
"I don’t know whether you have noticed that Nazia is one of those very few people who find “logic” in Amir Mughals links/stories. Ehemmm do I need to say more."
Say no more!!! You could have been kind enough to tell me this a couple of days earlier…..:P)
Your notice/observation as per your name about my comments on Mughal links is quite right.
What is harm if someone is praised like that? are you feel jealous of him at least I am not when nota gives you backup support.
Mughal's all articles which mostly relate to his past experience is quite valuable and my interest is also on those articles which are linked with real experiences.
Where mughal try to trap us in whirlpool of interlinks then at least I skip from reading.
By the way ,I am still unable to understand that why our intelligence people join tableeghi culture after their services.
After effects of overdosing of intelligence courses and its practices on local people?
i think she is one of a very few people on earth who do not care about any thing in the discussion and keep saying without giving a second thought.
Thanks dr khan for your all time effort to humiliate me
Believe me I never accept more than it what you are ready to convey me in 24/24 show time.
@Nazia
"By the way ,I am still unable to understand that why our intelligence people join tableeghi culture after their services.
After effects of overdosing of intelligence courses and its practices on local people?"
Ha, ha….ha……I am NOT a part of tableeghi jamaat and I have never been. I was just repeating your allegations against anyone who disagrees with you. I am sure Nota isn't a member of the tableeghi jamat either, but he can answer for himself.
Don't be so confused that just because we don't share the westernized views, then we are (automatically) categorized as someone from tableeghi jamat. We are just Muslims (in fact we are proud to be Muslims), who want an independent country free from babooism and people who have inferiority complexes….Every now and then we also like to bash some of the mullahs 🙂
"Where mughal try to trap us in whirlpool of interlinks then at least I skip from reading."
I like your remark on Mughals "whirlpool" of links….lol….I skip all his links and many comment too 🙂
Observer
Now you run away from your declared oath within few minutes.
Its not me who declared you but you presume by yourself.
Nota at this moment cant think of joining Tableeghi jammat and if he would think of it it will give new dimensions to our muslimaniat.
Imagine he would call passerby women as bitches when they will not follw his headcovering orders.
He would call all man with typcial abuse (name of his blog) when they wont listen to his advice of having 1 ft beard.
He would declare all those men as pimps who wouldn't offer their daughters to marry him and many like that.
So it is his linguistic power which shows that he has strong inclination of joining such congregation in Future.
@Nota
"Say no more!!! You could have been kind enough to tell me this a couple of days earlier…..:P)"
I am innocent. I gave the "warning" as soon as I saw your effort… lol.
@Nazia
I never run away 🙂
It's a little unfortunate that you cannot understand what people try to convey to you. I think you should take a little rest and then return….please!
I know that Nota can be harsh, but always against Trojan Horses, infiltrators and others who deliberately harm our country and Islam!
It is not little unfortunate but consider it good luck for you people that I am not much interested to understand disguised people.
You would surely runaway in coming days ,
Nota is not harsh but try to use vulgar language in all kind of revealation.
This language style is common around us I find this way of talking among policemen, political characters even ladies are very fluent like this way , labor and lower business class and some where in army circles.
So we hear it in different circles on daily basis but when we come to standard of decency, mannerism and some educated way of talking it sounds very very uneasy and lit bit of disturbing.Any how it is one style of living and we cant enforce our choice to other.So let him enjoy his abusiveness
Shaid kay dil main uther jay bath kasee kay aisee therain.
For NGOs in Pakistan, there is (as usual) a vulgar song by Noor Jehan:
"Menu Note Vakha te mera mood banay"
Show them money and they will even sell their mothers. No this was not said by me. It was said by an American senator and people like Mush and NGOs proved it various times.
It's better to leave lady nadia alone. She might be being paid by samar to repair her damage image after knowing reality about the video. I read in paper that "Jahil Online" has appealed CJ to take suo moto action against these western funded NGOs and Samar. Lets see whether CJ has balls to take action his advisor Athar MinAllah and His family.
@Adnan
"Menu Note Vakha te mera mood banay"
Good one! 🙂
Et tu, @Nazia? 😛
"I read in paper that “Jahil Online” has appealed CJ to take suo moto action against these western funded NGOs and Samar. Lets see whether CJ has balls to take action his advisor Athar MinAllah and His family."
Remember CJ does not even have to open a new case but continue an old one! (see SC hearing of Swat girl’s flogging case adjourns sine die)
Regarding NGOs, if you want to have no doubts about what NGOs really are, I have a big section in my post:
Additional Notes on Samar Minallah, Swat Video, And NGOs
You people cant speak Punjabi nor interested but when lyrics match with your taste you would pick it on a minute.
This heera mandi song is very popular in typical lahori culture but it actually reflects our true national idealogy
You give the reference of jahil online
so what authenticity would be consider if CJ would follow the advice of jahil as you mentioned.
I am also waiting for right inquiry and believe me if any way she would be found guilty I would plea against her in supreme court.
In last years big cities of Pakistan are creating chaos like situation.I can mention you many cases which were projected different ways but interanl story is quite different like murder of gen alvi, arrest of cpt zaidi by implicating him false case, killing of gen beig(medical core) and parade lane mass murder So I am also waiting for right clues as still I could not swallow this allegation that she and her family can work on the line of miltiary policy.
"I could not swallow this allegation that she and her family can work on the line of miltiary policy"
But you cannot deny Athar accepted a ministry from Musharraf in 2002 like I said above in answer to your "She and her family always stood against miltiary dictators".
How conveniently you ignored it! 🙂
Nota
He admitted this mistake many times in front of public and even request forgiveness from public on this mistake.
This mistake was done by many people and then regretted as Musharraf fully diverted from his rhetoric agenda after 2004.
You know justice usmani accepted Musharraf in 2007 emergency offer but his wife and daughter had joined long march events against Musharraf acts for judciary.
So in confused nation, people make such zigzags due to confusion create by different ways in our surroundings.
so you are admitting that like Samar's bro you are also confused and later you would be admitting your mistake of beig a devil's advocate?
No adnan
I am not admitting his/her confused state but always in favor of giving people 2nd and third chance in their practical life.
We are humans ,Errors, mistakes are important part of anybody life.Mistakes give you chance and vision of understanding your approaches and weaknesses in practical life and one should go to improve it in coming days instead of sticking to wrong decisions for whole life.
Sometimes a "little apology "direct to victim of maul handling can change the whole scenario in few moments.
You only need courage of confession to the people and I think he has passed this test along with practical demonstration of pay back by contributing its share in long march event.
Kohat DIG denies any arrests have been made in this regard. And this after Geo News actually bothered to call him up and ask. Perhaps Jang Group should actually do journalism rather than simply copy-pasting Online reports. Online is a lying mullah-loving piece of shit service anyway, and this new revelation proves that the fundo apologists (or even full-fledged fundos) manning their desks will go as far as to fake news. And here is Teeth Maestro's blog and the merry mullah lovers association in the comments section blaming Samar Minallah for faking it.
Subhanallah. AAP SAB AMREEKA, SAIHOONIAT AUR RAAAAAA KE AGENT HO!
http://thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=102864
@nota: ignore this lady Nadia, she is being a typical woman who when finds no answers starts cursing others.
When Muslim Khan denies the destruction of shops and schools then so called liberals deny it and now they re "religiously" following "Muslim" Khan.
@Danial Kid: ironically non-Mullahs(Samar et all) are in bed more with Talibans(Muslim Khan) than Non-Mullahs.
Today Jahil Online came up with an interesting revelations about Swat's fake video. A typical slap on face of liberal fascists.
I wish some left wing radical responds to this Jahil Online:
jang.com.pk/jang/apr2010-daily/16-04-2010/col4.htm
@Adnan Siddiqi: "ironically non-Mullahs(Samar et all) are in bed more with Talibans(Muslim Khan) than Non-Mullahs."
That makes no sense. Agar angraizi sahi likhni nahin aati to Urdu istemal kar lo.
Also, "liberal fascist" is an oxymoron. Heh.
Danial bey-parki,
Looks like Adnan got what he wanted. You responded to his comment and it tells that you got his point VERY WELL…..
Lol…