Zaid Hamid, a Leader in the making! Would be a nightmare

I moved to USA about 17 years back and hence was relatively out of touch with the developments in Pakistan. Therefore it was not only abysmal but rather surprising to see Zaid Zaman now Zaid Hamid (I am not sure what is he up to or why did he change his name) portrayed as a scholar, a defense analyst, a nationalist and may be someone who can lead our nation in the future. I think the last time I met Zaid was when he attended my wedding ceremony along with few other of his very close friends. All of his associates who attended the ceremony were the followers of a โ€œPeerโ€ named Yusuf. There I came to know that Zaid was not only the devotee but in essence one of the top followers of this โ€œPeerโ€ Mr. Yusuf, an ex army officer with quite a bit of following among youngsters. Later I came to know that this Peer was arrested as he claimed himself to be a prophet.

I met Zaid Zaman first when we went for a debate competition arranged by Pakistan Airforce in Risalpur representing Adamjee Science College. I do not want to comment much about my first impression but it was of course not very pleasant and positive. Then onwards being a debater, I visited Zaidโ€™s academic institution the NED University frequently for different Students Union Programs. At that point Afghan jihad had a great impact on the lives of Pakistani nation. I remember all this not because it was too obvious, but in essence was too weird to too creepy to see Zaid portraying himself as a fighter in a battle field or may be dramatizing his actions as much as if he was acting in a movie scene. Hence I always felt that Zaid had some kind of mental instability. And now being a physician in USA for 17 years, we call some one demonstrating these symptoms as a Bipolar with Manic Disorder type, where one thinks himself as a redeemer, a savior and some one who possess grandiose personality.

What made me write this letter is not that I have any thing against Zaid Zaman, but since he could be another leader in the making in Pakistan, hence I felt it to be my responsibility and obligation to let people know about him. This is the least I could do to my beloved homeland. Pakistani nation has already been deceived and betrayed repeatedly by their leaders in the past. It breaks my heart to see they end up making another disastrous mistake. And once again become victim of prevarication and fiddling. Mr. Zaid Zaman is a devotee of a liar, follower of a claimer of false prophecy and an unstable person. My dear friends this is the age of technology and multimedia resources, like a true believer do not get bitten by the same hole twice. Take your time and use all the possible resources before you start delegating some one as your leader!! Now of course it is up to every individual to decide what do they want to do!!

Mohsin Ansari MD FAAP,
Medical Director,
Clinical faculty
University of Maryland School of Medicine


Posted

in

, , , ,

by

Comments

297 responses to “Zaid Hamid, a Leader in the making! Would be a nightmare”

  1. Nazia Avatar
    Nazia

    Talkhaba

    Its good you have given two scenes for showing us that we people only focused our energies mostly on biased religious issue.

    Contrary to you I would react to both events with same energy which I naturally possess or might acquire through my experience.

    After seeing two piece fashion show I would feel shame about devaluing our moral and cultural values can foresee its negative effects in coming days.

    After listening emotional charred religious lectures, I would bow down my head with shame too as I know very well that no religion can think of transferring, hate, and death message in audience.

    It has been happened in real life too that I reacted to both events with same intensity of sentiment and without misusing my energy level

    So I think crook think tanks or religious runners use your mentioned religious sensitivity to create racist polarization in our soil.

    So first we people should see that if we purge our strong energy toward religious encounters then it means planners of riots are successful in their mission which is initiated by planting new breed like zaid hamid .

  2. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    These nincompoops often forget that Siljoq, Tughlaq, Ghaznavis, Lodhis, Behman, Mughals occupied India and ruled over India successfully particularly the Mughals ruled India with impunity for more than 200 years. What would be the status of their Armies and their War.

    They are least bothered to even pay attention to the word in that Hadith “Ghazwa” – Ghazwa are those battles wherein Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] participated. Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] is dead hence such battles cannot be called “Ghazwa”.

  3. ALE Xpressed Avatar

    @Sjl:

    Right to free speech is very much respectable but let it be very clear that free speech does not entails hate speech, racism and fascism.

    He is using mass media i.e. TV to promote war hysteria and fascism which by no way can be put under the umbrella of freedom of speech.

    The taka-tak mix of religion, politics, fascism and national chauvinism which he offers wrapped in fake hadees is disastrous for young confused minds. Let me refer the ZaidHamidists or potential ZHs to one of the rebutalls to his fake claims over Ghazwa-tul-Hind:

    http://blog.ale.com.pk/?p=1124

    (Apologies for the shameless advertising :))

  4. ALE Xpressed Avatar

    @ Amir Mughal,

    I very much agree with you last comment(s). Zaid Hamid has been using monologues with trying-to-look-pretty-girls. He has been getting prime time on satellite channels. Who does all this for him ?

    Unquestioned hate speech definitely needs to be monitored and stopped. The problem doesn't stop here. The conspiracy theories and fake history which he chews out are completely baseless and stupid or what we can call un-deniable.

    How the hell can someone deny his "fact" that HQ of BLA is in Tel-Aviv, Israeal ?

    How can someone deny his "fact" told in Dec 2008 that Israeal is going to wage a war against Pakistan in 2-3 months ? BTW we are still waiting for that – where is that war ?

  5. Mustafa Avatar
    Mustafa

    ALE: i have a question? do you have any problem with Zaid Hamid or with what he talks about? seriously i don't have any problem with whatever he is telling, he has some good programs on Iqbal, he is the one who spread awareness about All Banking Shit and World Wars and their consequences.

    "How can someone deny his “fact” told in Dec 2008 that Israeal is going to wage a war against Pakistan in 2-3 months ? BTW we are still waiting for that – where is that war ?"

    Do you think we are not in a war like situation right now?

    i never considered Zaid Hamid an authentic source of knowledge but most of the historical facts he told are so true, and one with a brain can easily judge and verify what is wrong and what is right.

  6. Tayyab Mahmood Avatar
    Tayyab Mahmood

    Mustafa….you said

    "i never considered Zaid Hamid an authentic source of knowledge but most of the historical facts he told are so true"

    you are negating your self. The facts you are referring to are those we are listening from our childhood, without ever bother to check the source / authenticity and most of them are pure fiction / not authentic.

    Again I would say please try to differentiate between Facts & Fictions…

  7. Mustafa Avatar
    Mustafa

    Tayyab, i don't know which school taught you modern banking facts and causes and consequences of world wars since your childhood. it would be great to know.

    please come bit off-topic and tell me what is fiction and what is fact, i am particularly talking about Brasstacks series of Zaid hamid.

    Thank you

  8. Tayyab Mahmood Avatar
    Tayyab Mahmood

    Thanx Faisal for explaining….

  9. awara Avatar
    awara

    In all his theories he claims that US is Pakistan’s enemy and they are plotting against Pakistan, blah blah blah…..

    Ok, lets accept that he is right…. then where from is Pakistan Army funded and hence himself funded?

    Zaid Hamid Kezzab is a pimp of bigger pimps[PERIOD].

    Yeah, should I just start to follow him because he is the only one talking against India and Israel and US?

    NO, I DON”T THINK SO.

  10. Nazia Avatar
    Nazia

    Talkahba

    First I told you that I am against blasphemy law existing in Pakistan as most of victims have come under this law are either ignorant or being target by wrong propaganda for covering up some kind of enmity.

    I have seen and heard more horrific scenes of religious weakness in my life than listening a new crap of yousuf kazzab.i.e as you offered.

    I have attended Ismailis gathering in lahore where they all bowed down to Agha family.

    In Karachi I had seen kissing of feet of some bohra pir shahib.

    Near rahim yar khan area I have attended the rohani mehafil of a so called spirtual leader of that area and saw that how he fooled even women under his fake kind of prophecy.

    I was really surprised to see his bold acts of intimacy with his women followers and watched that husband or father were least bothered about such acts which I think comes in context of sexual harassment.

    I know a Shia orator of Lahore who is master in creating scene of 1400 year old prophecy but least bothered about the agony of his neighbor or community who don't come to listen his requiem each year.

    I am personally against of magic and black magic practice and its counter techniques but around me lot of people are highly dependent on such faith .I resist them up to some limits but quite unsuccessful of even changing their blind faith a little bit.With the passage of time they go into its depth but no way interested of getting rid of such dilemma haunting throughout their life span.

    With all this differences I feel that such groups have some kind of goodness too which is naturally forcing a community to stick to some legendary characters.

    I feel that rapist,Hoarders, a briber, womanizer, land grabbers or official person who feels no hesitation of eating the share of lower class are as criminal as a blasphemer.

    These above mentioned criminals are running our state matters and they actually fabricated such religious extremism in our docile culture.

    So I am highly against the show of power of state and any particular group on personalities who confront with our faith and that is my simple point here.

  11. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    @Mohsin A.

    No doubt that he could have started his new career by saying that I was young and got mislead, but I recognised truth and I am now back as a true Muslim, I condemn Youssuf (the false prophet) and denounce his ideology, but for Zaid, I think there is no easy way back. IMO he has caught himself in a quagmire of lies that he will literally be cutting the branch he is sitting on, if he admits mistakes now. In other words we should not expect a clear clarification, but only smoke screen to hide his past. I pray that truth prevails and he is exposed fully.

  12. farrahshah Avatar
    farrahshah

    After reading the comments I have found out what is the problem with Zaid Hamid?

    People just hate him because he reads ,he thinks and he has his own comment on the things which were considered unquestionable by many of us like how could we comment on Jewish agenda,US agneda ,how can we challenge India ,Oh it is such a big Democracy and we are in shambles seeds of our own distruction the two nation theory and Paksitanism and for past twenty years our intellectuals just sit and say ,"What a crap is Paksitan Secular or Islamic state when they themselves neither have experience of Secular state nor Islamic." whereas Mr.Jinnah and Iqbal faced these realities their challenges were Gandhi and Nehru the true historical intellectuals interacting with elitest of European Intellectuals when UK was at the height of its Imperial rule …poor intellectuals instead of trying to understand Jinnah and Iqbal find it too complex to understand to read whereas it is easy to watch Charlie Wilsons War and The Independance day and accept Americanism.we are too comfertable to associate with the West ,where is this bloody past has popped up with glory ….no no they were invaders,looters and plunderers as Indian history shows them…..

    Ziad Hamid is simply hated for shaking the people and shattering their intellectual feathers which they do not possess any way.

    —-

    Simply if you are too liberal than ignore him…..but than he makes you look uncomfertable….the problem is not with Ziad the problem is with your own skin ,are you comfertable in it

    —-

    The identity crises and the war of survival which Pakis tan is fighting is real so how come we think his conspiracies are fictional….the firing at the borders is real with India,Kashmir and water dispute is real…

    Palestine Issue is real and Israel has a problem with Paksiatn and Arab world….

    USA and EUrope has made the words Muslims and Terrorism as if these are synonyms of each other ….

    ——

    Zaid is hated in Indian Media I understand that why in Paksiatn I do not know….fine he himself is neither Iqbal,nor Jinnah and his interpretations are his …..not borrowed from New York times or Guardian……

    but that is what I appreciate his thought process he thinks originally and if any Pakistani really has thought on any of the issues seriously one comes into confrontation with everything and all things he discusses.

  13. Tayyab Mahmood Avatar
    Tayyab Mahmood

    We are listening to these craps from past 50 years that America, India, Jews etc are damaging the identity of our country. But we never question our inability to handle our country, why Army always interfere in civilian maters, why we never become a Nation??? He isn't presenting any thing new rather "Old wine in new bottle"……… for me he is Pakistan's Freemasonry…….

  14. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    @Talkhaba

    Since some of you have known Zaid personally for ages, then you people ought to undress him properly and once and for all.

    I have seen different stories on the Internet about this guy going against him, but at the same time i see more and more people being caught by his clever rhetoric using Islam & Islamic icons.

    My suggestion is that people with good knowledge of Zaid should make a countrywide network to counter his propaganda. Recently I saw a new initiative from him. He appeared on an ARY show hosted by guy called Badami (I think) at some public place, where he started with his usual fiery speech. It is very difficult to pinpoint falsehood on that part (speech). After the speech there was a Q&A session. One man from the audience did ask question about his past, but he was able to answer vaguely and unfortunately there was nobody else from the audience to follow up. Whenever and wherever there is a Q&A session he should be encountered with all possible and relevant questions regarding his past association with Yussuf (the false prophet). The questions should be well prepared and there should be several from that group among the audience, who could follow the lead and get in depth to force him to answer directly and without "smoke screen".

    1. Sawaal Avatar
      Sawaal

      I second this idea. There ought to be a set of questions (reasonably, soundly, logically prepared and backed by investigation and evidence) to challenge Zaid Hamid and his team and his supporting media with.

      His supporters ought to be challenged, person-to-person, based on their ideas.

    2. Sawaal Avatar
      Sawaal

      I second this idea. There ought to be a set of questions (reasonably, soundly, logically prepared and backed by investigation and evidence) to challenge Zaid Hamid and his team and his supporting media with.

      His supporters ought to be challenged, person-to-person, based on their ideas. What is their proof? What is the origin of the proof?

      The friends and families of the affected population need to sit up and take notice, and understand the motives of those getting involved.

      There is a need for direct questions. One must question the team: How will you prepare for Ghazwa-e-Hind? What is your war strategy? Is there a timetable in mind? How will you prepare? Will you set up training camps? At any point, will the 'followers' be encouraged to take up arms? If not, then can it be declared today, in unequivocal terms, that this will never be the case?

      What will be the strategy of team BT and WUP if the larger population refuses to abide by their plan? Will they attempt a coup? Will the attempt by way of guerrilla activities? What is their game plan?

      These direct and clear questions need to be asked at forums, and in person from is leading supporters, such as those in media and showbiz.

  15. farrahshah Avatar
    farrahshah

    Sorry to say we have no one to answer these very questions for which Zaid is providing the answers to our youth.

    Do we have time for our youth?

    Are we ready to listen to them?

    SO many channels each one propogating ,current politics and actually they have the agenda now of inviting politicains and to lock them in confrontational abuse????

    So people I would say instead of criticising him provide a healthy competetion …

    Do present your facts and put things into prospective for our youth …our youth is so hungry for ideas for listening and following ….theya re not comfertable with following West or Indian Music because they are questioned by the both who are you …MUSLIMS?

    So it is world of open competetion ,sell something better to the youth I will be happy.

    ———

  16. farrahshah Avatar
    farrahshah

    @Tayyab

    We are listening to these craps from past 50 years that America, India, Jews etc are damaging the identity of our country. But we never question our inability to handle our country, why Army always interfere in civilian maters, why we never become a Nation??? He isn’t presenting any thing new rather “Old wine in new bottle”……… for me he is Pakistan’s Freemasonry…….

    ——

    you have the bottle please provide some new wine….since you are complaining about the old one.Give us some new crap to chew …..why we never become a Nation ….

    That is what Ziad is tryingto do …to make you a Nation ๐Ÿ™‚

  17. Sadia Hussain Avatar
    Sadia Hussain

    The growing phenomena on of hate speech in Pakistan is troublesome and what is more perturbing that this is being done in name of nationalism, so any one who dare opposes such absurd ideas is branded as unpatriotic. Such talk shows and their growing popularity indicate how widespread and deep-rooted religious extremism is!

    1. Mustafa Avatar
      Mustafa

      Awab, i don't understand what's the motive of re-opening a long discussed thread again, you gave your final words, all you will get is bit more traffic and a place to host filthy links against Allama Iqbal and Pakistan,

      Don't why you are taking Zaid hamid too much seriously and why Allama Iqbal is targeted on the name of Zaid Hamid by some bloggers.

      i think Mohsin Ansari's message is well conveyed to your readers and you should close this thread if you are wise enough.

  18. ALE Xpressed Avatar

    Ah, okay. Lots of people making noise here that whatever Zaid says makes sense and is true.

    Zaid was asked in one of the QA sessions at KIMS, Lahore that why doesn't he criticise Pakistan Army for all its wrong doings when he criticise every politician and institue not only in th country but anywhere on the globe. He was asked about his opinion on the Pak Army.

    His response: We can not criticise Pakistan Army because its the same Army about which the Prophet said that a force will rise which will occupy Hind i.e. the Army to capture India in Ghazwa-e-Hind.

    So, does this make sense ? Is this authentic inofrmation or good enough to qualify as an answer ?

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      His response: We can not criticise Pakistan Army because its the same Army about which the Prophet said that a force will rise which will occupy Hind i.e. the Army to capture India in Ghazwa-e-Hind. [ALE Xpressed says:February 3, 2010 at 3:49 pm

      ======================

      Dear Ale,

      Hafiz Ibn Kathir [Author of Tafseer Ibn Kathir] in his another book "Al Bidaya Wan Nihaya" [From the Beginning to End]'s last Voluem "Al Nihaya Wal Bidaya" had discussed this Hadith of Ghazwa-e-Hind and in total have given names of more than 20 such Islami Military Campaign on Hind. Zaid and other Mullahs [they misinterpret Ghazaw-e-Hind Hadith and this misinterpretation was started by Maulana Akram Awan before the start of Kargil to hound Nawaz Shairf – Akram Awan's party accept disciples in their Jamat after they take approval from Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and that too after arranging a meeting of would be disciple with Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) just imagine Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is dead and dead don't come back]. Let me tell you one more thing Akram Awan have two more important member in his Jamat i.e. Major General (R) Zahirul Islam and Brig {R} Mustansir Billah [both were fixed in a false case of Treason by a Former General and DG of MI i.e Ali Quli Khan]. Ali Kuli Khan wanted to become COAS therefore he designed this whole conspiracy case against Abbasi and Billa that they are paving way for Islamic Revolution in the country [go through the newspapers/magainzens (Pakistani) from 1990 to 1994] but Al Quli Khan couldn't become COAS.

      These Officers had also approached Mufit Nizamuddin Shamzai [May Allah have mercy on his soul – Chief of Binnori Town Karachi] for his help and also Mawlana Yousuf Ludhiyanvi [May Allah have mercy on his soul] and asked for help for Islamic Revolution and both of these officers got a very befitting replies from both the Scholars

      In their own words

      "QUOTE"

      "Yeh Aap Logoon Ko Islami Inquilab Ka Khayal Us Waqt Kiyon

      Aata Hai Jub Wardi Utar Jati Hai" [Why is it so that you came up with the idea to bring in Islamic Revolution after you are no more in Uniform]

      "UNQUOTE"

      Please keep one thing in Mind that First Islamic Army rather a Trade Delegation had arrived in South India [Malabar] during the Rule of Hazrat Uthman [May Allah be pleased with him] – The first ship bearing Muslim travelers was seen on the Indian coast as early as 630 AD. H.G. Rawlinson, in his book: Ancient and Medieval History of India claims the first Arab Muslims settled on the Indian coast in the last part of the 7th century AD. Reference :

      Ancient and Medieval History of India by H.G. Rawlinson

      Sturrock, J.,South Canara and Madras District Manual (2 vols., Madras, 1894-1895)

      Cultural Heritage of India Vol. IV

      And before Muhammad Bin Qasim's Army.

      Abdullah Shah Ghazi is considered to be patron saint of Karachi, Sindh, Pakistan. The dargah of Abdullah Shah Ghazi is located in Clifton neighborhood of Saddar Town in Karachi. The real name of Abdullah Shah Ghazi was Abdulla bin Nahban and he was Muslim Umayyad general who died at Debal while trying to conquer Sindh in 711 CE. This army was led by Abdulla bin Nahban and Badil bin Tuhfa, respectively and were both defeated at Debal. According to Dr. Daud Pota the tomb of Abdullah Shah at Clifton in Karachi is of this General, Abdulla bin Nabhan. [Nuzahat ul Khawatir by Abul Hasan Ali Nadvi Former Head of Daul Uloom Deoband and his father Abdul Hai Nadvi]

  19. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    @farrahshah

    I agree that we do not have many who can deliver simple and logical solutions to our numerous problems. I accept that Zaid has a good grip on the youth of Pakistan. I also accept that much of what he says is actually quite good, but I do not accept the use of rhetorics even he himself doesn’t believe in. First of all I demand that he takes the bull by the horn and become clean about the false prophet association. Why does he not give simple answers to simple questions? Why does he not understand that he is a tool for ISI/Army to fool the people. Why does he not understand that Pakistan is NOT the fort of Islam. We do not remotely represent Islam properly since we generally are a bunch of cheats and liars. Go to any part of our society and you will meet lies and deception.

    – Business society from the big to small: They lie in general

    – Army/IS etc. lies and deception and fostering incompetent political “leaders” with NO vision

    – Politicians: Do I need to say one more word?

    – Judiciary: The same get together of opportunists

    – Police: Corrupt to the core

    Thanks to the almighty we also have good men/women amongst us. That’s why we are able to not walk- but to crawl and for how long can we do that? What’s the time for Pakistan? 11.55 or have the time past 12 o’clock?

    Personally, I believe the time is very close to 12. We don’t have much time to act and pull ourselves together and deliver what is required to get out of the nightmare!

    What we need is a person with a balanced approach. We cannot afford to portray ourselves as people always in a militant mood. Yes, it can become a necessity to deliver harsh words at certain moments, but NOT all the time. What we need is to first of all the biggest force in Pakistan, the army to become clean. They MUST refrain from interfering in civilian matters. They are themselves corrupt and they have fostered and nurtured corrupt political “leaders” just to “prove” their case for the Pakistanis that they are the rightful rulers of Pakistan since nobody else is capable of leading the nation. That’s why they always support corrupt leaders like Bhutto, Zardari, Sharif brother, Chaudhries, fake mullahs like Fazal-Ur-Rehman etc. They know that the corrupt politicians are easy to get rid of because of their corrupt nature. How many times have we seen ignorant Pakistanis distributing sweets, when a civilian government has been sacked by the army?

    Now the army thinks they have another “good idea” by introducing Zaid, but that’s not the case. He will make further mess for Pakistan in the long run, because the NATO countries can easily build a pressure against us since we have the extremists to talk for us. We will find it impossible to convince our opponents to stop bullying us. We will be regarded as pure extremists. What we need is people with a balanced approach, and people who are respected in Pakistan as well as in the rest of the world. We have people who can deliver o that front without the label of acting like liberal fascists!

    1. farrahshah Avatar
      farrahshah

      Observer

      agree with what you have written.

      But let us see this Patriotism and Islam in broader prospective.

      Both patriotism and religion are common trends in Asia with the presence of USA in the region.It is not about Islam or Pakistan alone India has the same trends and so has China and so has Iran.

      Zaid Hamid is one such voice all the people on this blog should be thankful to him he has provided you a platform to be leftist again.

      …Zaid is the voice of silent majority he does not cahllenge anything what ever you say against him he cannot be wronged…

      this is the middle class who wants to believe they are patriotic,they are religious ,they are good Zaid is telling them that …

  20. Tayyab Mahmood Avatar
    Tayyab Mahmood

    @Observer…very well said….

    @farrahshah

    People like Zaid Hamid are Intellectually and morally confused…and making our youth more confused. i don't agree that our youth is very well aware. just check the volume of book sold in Pakistan and you will know where we are. We are expert in broadcasting the word of mouth without checking the authenticity.

    Postscript of all my postings are for God sake, people use your F****** brain please. Judge things on their merits without prejudice, look at the historic events, arguments in favor & against any particular thing, then judge it. and on extra note, how can you expect India & Afghanistan not to destabilize your country when Our Army have done it in 80s & 90s(not going into merits & demerits).

    "What You Seed Is What You Get"

    1. farrahshah Avatar
      farrahshah

      tayyab

      people use your F****** brain please. Judge things on their merits without prejudice,

      ————————————–

      People do not have merits they are not trained to use brains Ziad thinks for them and provides them the missing links let us see when people pick up the books and get to reading investigating .

  21. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    @Mustafa

    "Don’t why you are taking Zaid hamid too much seriously and why Allama Iqbal is targeted on the name of Zaid Hamid by some bloggers."

    Who is targeting the honorable Allama Iqbal?

  22. dr jawwad khan Avatar
    dr jawwad khan

    what a rush….this issue is so hot.

    @Amir Mughal!!!

    No muslim army attacked india for the sake of jihad…most of the time these invasions were organized just to increase the area of their kingdoms.

    Are you denying a sahih Hadith?

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Dear Jawwad Sahab,

      I am not denying any Hadith just interpreting it, use of Word "Ghazwa" how can be a Ghazwa when Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] is passed away.

      How would you define the attack of Mohammad Bin Qasim in the light of this:

      Youm-e-Babul Islam: JI looking for a new bin Qasim

      PPI 01/09/2009 22:46:00 KARACHI: To help the oppressed and suppressed people and to defeat the forces of evil and repression and exploitation, this land is awaiting for a new Muhammad bin Qasim. http://www.onepakistan.com/news/national/20647-Yo

    2. awara Avatar
      awara

      Dr. Jawwad,

      I wouldn't deny a hadith. But it is quiet possible that this stooge is just streching the hadith.

      Who knows if this is the time or would it be in future.

      who knows there might be a coup in Pakistan Army and somebody from lower ranks cleans up Pakistan Army of filthy generals first? who knows.

      But should we start to worship Pakistan Army based on that hadith?

  23. awara Avatar
    awara

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2010/02/100203

    Three US Solders *Shaheed* along with other Pakistan Military personnel…

    Well can Zaid Hamid explain this?

  24. ALE Xpressed Avatar

    Ghazwa-tul-Hind ahadees are not Sahih.

    You may consult any muhaddis/scholar/historian to know details in this regard. Some information can be found at this link:

    http://blog.ale.com.pk/?p=1124

  25. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    @Farrahshah

    As earlier mentioned, I agree that most of what Zaid is telling is not objectionable, but the issues he puts in between are dangerous/poisonous for Pakistan. When you tell the truth you have to tell the full truth and not infest the statements with truth, partial truth and omissions. The end result will always be a LIE.

    Especially the issue about the role of PAK army as the conquerors of India and hence may not be criticized. Everybody knows how corrupt the army is and still he want us to support them. That will not be the case on my part until the army change their attitude towards the "bloody civilians". I will support the army the day it in real terms becomes "The armed forces of PAKISTAN" and not mercenaries for USA.

    The second part which is also highly dubious is his lack of desire to become clean about his past misadventures.

    1. farrahshah Avatar
      farrahshah

      @Observer

      how can somebody clean the past?

      the only thing is people have accepted him the way he is.

  26. dr jawwad khan Avatar
    dr jawwad khan

    @ Awara!

    i am certaily not a pak army worshiping idiot.

    and you are rightfully used the word "pimps" for these guys.

    my problem is that inspite of understanding the motives behind anti indian, anti american and anti israel rhetorics of Zaid Hamid, i can't deny the contents.We have reasons to believe that Americans,indians,afghans and the pakistan army itself is involved in promoting violence inside pakistan.

    @ Amir mughal!!!

    Mohammed bin qasim was a legendary hero of ummah.but he did not come here for jihad rather sent by hajjaj bin yousuf to rescue arab women.

    JI celebrate this day because after that military expedition, the islam got its way to the subcontinent through sindh.because of that sind is known as "bab ul islam"

    tell me that you are not like those sindhi nationalists who say that raja dahir was the actual hero of sindh and mohammed bin qasim was nothing but an aggressor.

  27. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    @Jawwad

    "We have reasons to believe that Americans,indians,afghans and the pakistan army itself is involved in promoting violence inside pakistan."

    I agree with you. We have every reason to believe that the mentioned parties are NOT well wishers of Pakistan!

  28. faisal Avatar

    Apart from distorting Iqbal and Jinnah ideologies the worst thing he did is to present Khilafa as a totalitarian concept.

    In fact if you look at the system it was an equality and justice based egalitarian concept which Iqbal also professed.

    Caliphs were answerable to the people like it happened in Hazrat Umar (R.A) case and were equal in front of the law and courts like it happened in Hazrat Ali (R.A) time.

    No presidential immunity or dictatorial safeguards were there.

    The dirty purpose of distorting the concept was to prepare our youth to mentally accept the concept of dictatorships.

  29. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    farrahshah says: – February 3, 2010 at 9:24 pm – The references and counter checks does allow one to go and check the existance of Harrapa and Moenjodaro but does not make his openion authentic reagrding Pakistan Nationalism.

    ==========================

    Dear Ms. Farrah,

    Aurangzeb is often projected as the most ruthless Mughal King but a Hindu Researcher proved that wrong and that’s what books and research do and that cannot be done through listening sermons of Zaid Hamid. Read..

    “QUOTE”

    Excerpted from Prof B. N. Pande’s speech in the Indian Upper House of Parliament, the Rajya Sabha, made on 29 July 1977. At the time of the publication of this article in Impact International (1987), Dr Pande was Governor of the Indian state of Orrisa. Dr. Pande died in New Delhi on June 1, 1998.

    Dr Pattabhi Sitaramaiah, in his famous book ‘The Feathers and the Stones’ has narrated this fact based on documentary evidence. Dr. P. L. Gupta, former Curator of Patna Museum has also narrated this incident … Every civil building connected with Mahommedan tradition should be levelled to the ground without regard to antiquarian veneration or artistic predilection. Letter No. 9 dated 9 October 1857, from Prime Minister Palmerston (1784-1865)to Lord Canning Viceroy of India, Canning Papers.

    However, before I reached a definite conclusion, I thought it to be in order to consult Sir Tej Bahadur Sapru, a renowned scholar of Persian language. Sir Sapru studied the Jagdambri Shiv Mandir documents and again found Farmans of Aurangzeb which bestowed a Jagir on this temple. A new Aurangzeb was unveiled before me and through further research and investigation, I discovered many more Farmans of like nature with regard to Mahakaleswar temple in Ujjain, Balaji Temple in Chitrakoot, Amparand Temple in Gauhati, Shatranjay Jain Temple and various Gurdwaras. These Farmans were issued between the year 1656 and 1686. [Aurangzeb’s father Emperor Shah Jahan is famous for having built the Taj Mahal, considered as one of the wonders of the world]….

    The story regarding demolition of Vishwanath temple is that while Aurangzeb was passing near Varanasi on his way to Bengal, the Hindu Rajas in his retinue requested that if a halt is made for a day, their Ranis may go to Varanasi, have a dip in the Ganges and pay their homage to Lord Vishwanath. Aurangzeb readily agreed.

    The Ranis took their dip in the Ganges and went to the Vishwanath temple to pay their homage. All the Ranis returned except one, the Maharani of Kachh. When Aurangzeb came to know of it, he was very much enraged. He sent his senior officers to search for the Rani. Ultimately, they found that the Statue of Ganesh which was fixed in the wall was a movable one. When the statue was moved a flight of stairs led to the basement. To their horror, they found the missing Rani dishonoured and crying. The basement was just beneath Lord Vishwanath’s seat. The Hindu Rajas expressed their vociferous protests. They demanded justice. Aurangzeb ordered that Lord vishawanath may be moved to some other place, the temple be razed to the ground and the Mahant be arrested and punished.

    “UNQUOTE”

    There is a movement going on in India amongst Scholars/Historians on verification of History after 2002 Muslim Pogrom of Gujarat and Murli Manohar Joshi’s [BJP]’s Fascist Campaign against Muslim History in their text books.

    Material is as under and much I have published and posted on my own blog —

    Educating to Hate: The impact of fundamentalist ideas on the school text books in India and Pakistan http://www.sacw.net/HateEducation/index.html

    1. farrahshah Avatar
      farrahshah

      sorry I do not see how discussing Dr.Mubarrak Ali with regard to Allama Iqbal and Pakistan brings in Indian historians with regard to Mughal history or Babri Mosque.You further go on to report Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) historians.

      I think we do understand how historians work and what authorship is.

  30. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    dr jawwad khan says: February 3, 2010 at 6:51 pm – @ Amir mughal!!! Mohammed bin qasim was a legendary hero of ummah.but he did not come here for jihad rather sent by hajjaj bin yousuf to rescue arab women. tell me that you are not like those sindhi nationalists who say that raja dahir was the actual hero of sindh and mohammed bin qasim was nothing but an aggressor.

    =====================

    dr jawwad khan says: February 3, 2010 at 5:27 pm what a rush….this issue is so hot. @Amir Mughal!!! No muslim army attacked india for the sake of jihad…most of the time these invasions were organized just to increase the area of their kingdoms.

    ==============================

    Jawwad Sahab,

    That's why I was saying that go and get Nisa'i Sharif and Nihaya Wal Bidaya before starting a debate [which Awab wont approve] to learn something before quoting something which cannot be corroborated by the text you posted above. The commentary by Ibn-e-Kathir [Mohaddis] on that "Ghazwa-e-Hind Hadith is worth reading and he interpreted that Hadith [with Historical References and Health of the Narrators Chain] and clearly written that all those Islamic Armies who launched expedition on Hind [Ibn Kathir was an Scholar of Hadith and History] were Jihad and he included Mohammad Bin Qasim and Mahmood Bin Subugtagin [Mehmood Ghaznavi] and many other Turks Kings. He included China and Central Asia while interpreting these Hadiths.

    He also put a a detailed Note on Hazrat Muawiya's [RA] Expedition of Constantinople as Jihad [and gave evidence of Bukhari] and also interpreted that several expedition on Constantinople launched on the orders of Hazrat Muawiya [RA] and lead by Yazeed [May Allah have mercy on his soul] and under Yazeed command Abu Ayub Ansari, Abdullah Ibn Zubyr, Hussein Ibn Ali, Hassan ibn Ali [May Allah be pleased with all of them] fought bravely.

    For further reference read Sair Al A'alaam Al Nubala by Hafiz Shamsuddin Zahbi and for Judging Authenticity of Hadiths anc Narrators get Al Taqreeb by Ibn Hajar Asqalani.

    Best Regards.

  31. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    @Farrahshah

    "how can somebody clean the past?"

    By telling the truth about his affiliation with the army/ISI and by telling the FULL truth about his past affiliation with Yousuf (the false prophet).

    "the only thing is people have accepted him the way he is."

    No, please try to understand. If that had been the case it would have been another issue. The issue here is that people have not accepted him the way he is, because the DON´T know the TRUTH about him. When they know the truth, then I am sure that minds will shift, and that too in a matter of seconds.

    1. farrahshah Avatar
      farrahshah

      By telling the truth about his affiliation with the army/ISI and by telling the FULL truth about his past affiliation with Yousuf (the false prophet).

      —–

      Both are clear and open he says he is a military analyst .He says he has participated in Afghan war .He says he is no PHD and that is what is selling him .

      ——

      Regarding the Yousuf…..look his programme was taken off air from PTV and actually since the last post on this very blog I have seen people more tuned in to him.

      I do not think reference to Yousaf Kazab will make any difference to Ziad.

      Poeple know Zaid because of Iqbal and Mr.Jinnah and Pakistan

      —-

  32. farrahshah Avatar
    farrahshah

    The followers of Zaid are young ….the youth needs following …

    They want someone to define things for them?

    They want some club,some cult to which they can associate with .

    Since we have no film stars ,we have no sports stars,we have no music heroes,we do not have social clubs , we do not have massive concerts,book clubs,poetry clubs or sports clubs ,art ,theatre ,debates or the social circles to engage people ….

    Give the Youth of Paksiatn some alternative if we are not happy with Zaid.

    1. Observer Avatar
      Observer

      @farrahshah

      I agree with you that we do have very little (if anything) to celebrate, but that must not result in celebrating what is obviously wrong. There are other heroes, the youth can celebrate and I think the youth should open their eyes and be analytical to find the right persons to support. IMO they are already rallying behind a certain political party, which widely appeals to the youth (PTI).

      To be clear. He should be doing the following:

      – Tell people that he has been hired by the army/ISI to promote them in spite of all their criminal acts against Pakistan.

      Tell the people that he regarded Yusuf as a prophet and that he was wrong.

      Is that too much to handle for him?

      I hope you will reflect upon what different people have mentioned on this blog. Then I am sure you will change your mind. Take your time to investigate.

  33. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    dr jawwad khan says: February 3, 2010 at 6:51 pm @ Awara!

    tell me that you are not like those sindhi nationalists who say that raja dahir was the actual hero of sindh and mohammed bin qasim was nothing but an aggressor.

    dr jawwad khan says: February 3, 2010 at 5:27 pm what a rush….this issue is so hot. @Amir Mughal!!! No muslim army attacked india for the sake of jihad…

    ===========================

    Dear Jawwad Sahab,

    Another view which supports your version but oppose Ahl-e-Hadith Hafiz Ibn-e-Kathir's Jihad Version which I gave above.

    Basically some Shias murdered the Ummayad's Governor of Mekran and took shelter in Sindh with Raja Dahar hence the campaign against Sindh launched by Hajjaj Bin Yousuf [Governor Basra] and Father In Law as well as Paternal Uncle of Muhammad Bin Qasim and when Hajjaj died the next Caliph called Muhammad Bin Qasim back and imprisoned him and tortured him to death in Wasit Prison of Iraq [Tareekh Ibn-e-Khladun] – The only ancient source on Sindh History is Chach Nama but there are many versions by different names Fateh nama Sindh, Tarekh-e-Hind wa Sindh, The Chach Nama was written by Kàzí Ismáíl . Kází Ismàíl was appointed the first Kází of Alór by Muhammad Kásim after the conquest of the place. Translation is as under:

    More in The Chachnama-An Ancient History of Sind
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/416177/The-ChachnamaAn-

    Dear Jawwad Sahab,

    You version is supported by A Secular Historian [I hope you agree with him]

    In September 2000, eminent Pakistani historian Mubarak Ali wrote an article, "How Many Qasims, Ghaznavis, and Ghoris Do We Need?" analyzing the valorization of Arabs and Turks who ravished the land that is now Pakistan, in school textbooks. Ali observed that Muhammad bin Qasim, Mahmud of Ghazni and Shihabuddin Ghori emerged as powerful symbols in Muslim politics in the context of the 1930s' communal atmosphere in India, but their continued aggrandizement had disastrous consequences for Pakistan.

    History is tricky subject and if read without any analysis and some calculation we may end up on wrong conclusion e.g. Abdullah Shah Ghazi who is buried in Clifton Karachi is considered an Ahl Al Bayt whereas in reality he was a General of Banu Ummaya sent to Sindh with Bazil Bin Tufah in an expedition and during his return he died and buried in present day Clifton. His original name was Abdullah Bin Nabhan [Ref: Nuzhatul Khawatir].

    Another myth of History is that Hazrat Hussein Bin Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] was an Iranian Princes namely Sheherbano is also wrong, Hazrat Hussein had no wife by the name of Sheher Bano [go through Tabari, Ibn Kathir and Ibn Atheer History and Ibn Khaldun].

    Ali Bin Hussein aka Zainul Abideen [May Allah have mercy on his soul] who was a son of Sindhi Lady namely Sulafa [freed slave] [Reference: Books on Families and Bloodlines of Arabs by Ibn Hazm and Ansab Aal-e-Abi Talib.

    Another Harsh fact is this that Hazrat Hussain [May Allah be pleased with him]'s cousin Abdullah Bin Jafar Tayyar [May Allah be pleased with him] was Father In Law of Yazeed Ibn Muawiya [May Allah have mercy on his soul], Shimer Zil Joshin was [One of the character in Karbala] an uncle of Hazrat Huseein, Umar Bin Saad [Leader of Yazid's Army in Karbala] was the son of Hazrat Saad Bin Waqas [A Companion of Prophet Mohammad – PBUH and also his maternal uncle].

    History is just History and needs more research and analysis before being read as a Cardinal Truth above all First History book in Islam was written in Islam after 250 years of the death of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]. So one can imagine what havoc Historian would have played with facts.

  34. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Corrigendum.

    Dear Jawwad Sahab,

    You version is supported by A Secular Historian [I hope you agree with him]

    In September 2000, eminent Pakistani historian Mubarak Ali wrote an article, “How Many Qasims, Ghaznavis, and Ghoris Do We Need?” analyzing the valorization of Arabs and Turks who ravished the land that is now Pakistan, in school textbooks. Ali observed that Muhammad bin Qasim, Mahmud of Ghazni and Shihabuddin Ghori emerged as powerful symbols in Muslim politics in the context of the 1930s’ communal atmosphere in India, but their continued aggrandizement had disastrous consequences for Pakistan.

    Note. Dr Mubarak's quote ends here.

    1. farrahshah Avatar
      farrahshah

      Amir Mughal

      I am alergic to Dr Mubarak Ali it is very fine to take away all the history and say it is a disater for our future but than replace it with some thing.

      Why Mubarak Ali leaves us in void?

      He criticise Iqbal's poetry that it has got Bulbul and Uqaab as symbols when both are not found in Pakistan? Samarqand and Bukhara which has got nothing to do with Pakistan and in short Iqbal should not be our National Poet so who should be our National poet than.

      Mubarak Ali says the Tarana of Paksitan is in persian and has got nothing linked to Pakistan itself so should we write a new tarana?

      —–You have quoted the actual source behind all debate after spending my youth reading Mubarak Ali I am glad there is Zaid Hamid….who does not belittle Iqbal and Mr.Jinnah ,who do not belittel or falsify my heroes.

      Yes it is not the time of Ghazwat and Talwar and Ottoman Empire ….neither it is time for Khilafat but future is unseen ….past is realised by everyone…at least my forefatehrs did not come from Arab or Turkey but Islam did come from there …and we are a Muslim ….

      what is so wrong if Muslims of Paksitan are mesmerised by the great warriors of Saracens ,Europeans have written odes and poems to them why not Pakistanis

      Taj Mahal ,Tippu Sultan,Agra ,Hydrabad Dakkan,lukhnow ,Dehlie ,The great Mushals,Darbars of Maharajas and splendour of India and the invaders bacame my heroes because they brought Islam to my forefathers…

      —-

      Confusion is created by Dr Mubarak Ali and his Urdu is so difficult 95 percent of Pakistanis have not read him…..

      thanks God they are saved…

  35. MALIK AMAN Avatar
    MALIK AMAN

    follower of a false phrophet ????????? he opened his speech in islamabad with a darood ,paying his respect to hazrat Muhammad .

    won't it be very hard for a guy who follows yousuf or who ever he was to recite darood for the holy phrophet Muhammad ????? this doctor is just jealous and suffering from a problem know by engineers as jelousphobior ๐Ÿ™‚

  36. Lone Ranger Avatar
    Lone Ranger

    Lies, damn lies, distorted religion and history – all for a single purpose: to white wash the image of the bloody army of the rapists of east pakistan, land grabbers, drug barons, murderers, kidnappers, mercenaries, rogues, pimps, and thugs!

    None can be more suited for this job other than the Khalifa-e-Yusuf Kazzab: Hazrat Zaid Hamid (Lanatullah Alaih)

    BRAVO!!

  37. Mohsin Ansari MD Avatar
    Mohsin Ansari MD

    "follower of a false phrophet ????????? he opened his speech in islamabad with a darood ,paying his respect to hazrat Muhammad .

    won’t it be very hard for a guy who follows yousuf or who ever he was to recite darood for the holy phrophet Muhammad ?????"

    Go and listen to the audio clip of the meeting where Yusuf kazab announced his prophecy , and announced Zaid as his Sahabee (May Allah forgive us) he started that meeting with doraood and also recited the Quran repeatedly!!

  38. Lone Ranger Avatar
    Lone Ranger

    @malik aman

    Do qadiyanis start their speeches with a bhajan?

    1. MALIK AMAN Avatar
      MALIK AMAN

      certainly not but thay dont start with paying repects to hazrat muhammad either

  39. Safa Avatar
    Safa

    Erm a question to all of u, how do i gain access toall the comments on this topic? let me know, please and thankyou ๐Ÿ™‚

  40. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Dear Ms. Farrah,

    Poets, Historians, Leaders and Politicians are public figures and they can be criticized, praised, followed, abandoned. In my humble opinion nobody is above criticism except Allah, Prophets [PBUT], and Companions [May Allah be pleased with them] and Blessed Three Generation linked with Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]. If you talk of Islam then Hero Worshiping, Nationalism [every kind], Parochialism, Lingual-ism, Political System based on Secular Thoery [like in Pakistan] and above all Nation State Nationalism is abhorred.

    1. farrahshah Avatar
      farrahshah

      Amir the question is why Dr.Mubarak Ali is acceptable who condemns Pakistan history and Tarana and Ziad is not acceptable who appreciates Pakistan.

  41. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Zaid Hamid….who does not belittle Iqbal and Mr.Jinnah ,who do not belittel or falsify my heroes. [farrahshah]

    ===================

    Dear Ms. Farrah,

    Leaders/Politicians are Human Beings not Allah. These Leaders must be praised for good and taken to task for wrong.

    1. farrahshah Avatar
      farrahshah

      Zaid is neither a leader nor politician he is military analyst and his analysis can be wrong ….

  42. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Dear Ms Farrah,

    Mubarak Ali's books always have detailed bibliography and references through which he write and that is important because you can always check and counter check the reference.

    1. farrahshah Avatar
      farrahshah

      The references and counter checks does allow one to go and check the existance of Harrapa and Moenjodaro but does not make his openion authentic reagrding Pakistan Nationalism ……..his authentic openion does not corelate with Creation of Pakistan and Islam still we tolerate him why not Zaid?

  43. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    farrahshah says: – February 3, 2010 at 9:17 pm Amir the question is why Dr.Mubarak Ali is acceptable who condemns Pakistan history and Tarana and Ziad is not acceptable who appreciates Pakistan. – farrahshah says: – February 3, 2010 at 9:18 pm – Zaid is neither a leader nor politician he is military analyst and his analysis can be wrong ….

    =========================

    Dear Ms. Farrah,

    Historian are often critiques and it is good to be a critique when you write a History. Zaid Hamid's Faith [if he says that he is a Muslim then matter ends here until he openly announced otherwise and tell Muslim to follow him then he can be dealt according to Law and should not be touched by anybody except Law] but when he start sermoning Pakistani Public on TV Channels with Wild Stories while completely and conveniently forgetting Follies Committed by our Military Establishment [played havoc like Hulegu Khan and Golden Horde in every sphere of Pakistan] then he must be questioned on ground realities. There is a very thin line between Zaid Hamid's Methodology and Fascism.

    1. farrahshah Avatar
      farrahshah

      The basic fact remains the same when it is Dr.MubArak Ali on the TV….it is babai like me who watch it and not the youth…

      youth likes Zaid and to follow him to convention centre tell me when was the last time anyone on this blog attended Iqbal Day ?

      let alone read Iqbal ???

      our youth is cleverer than us they do not want to read Iqbal they want to get it from Zaid.

      Name a single person in Paksitan who Talks about Mr.Jinnah,Iqbal and Two nation theory?

      The youth does not want to read history or historians in this quick world of fast food they want quick lectures.

      and You Tube links.

      —-

      Was there a ticket to listen to him in convention centre

  44. farrahshah Avatar
    farrahshah

    Any way I think all this hue and cry for Ziad is in vain.Pakistan nor India is in any sort of danger because of him.

    ——

    India and Pakistan are unpredictable in their relations ..Zaid does not handle them nor control them….

    Zaid had no control over the treatment Pakistan Cricket team recieved in India.

    he has no control over the treatment Paksitan criket team will recieve when they will come back.

    Youths of Pakistan are sitting in their homes and Zaid is sitting in his ….nobody is at Wahga border to cross into India.

    ——

  45. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    farrahshah says: – February 3, 2010 at 9:24 pm – The references and counter checks does allow one to go and check the existance of Harrapa and Moenjodaro but does not make his openion authentic reagrding Pakistan Nationalism. his authentic openion does not corelate with Creation of Pakistan and Islam still we tolerate him why not Zaid?

    ======================

    Dear Ms. Farrah,

    You have talked of Islam as well in one of your post above therefore please give me the reference of Quran and Hadith to justify Pakistani, Arabian or Indian Nationalism Nationalism [Asbiyat] is against the spirit of Islam lets suppose there is war between India and Pakistan and soldiers on both sides are Kalima Reciting Muslims then what will be the result before Allah [if we talk of Nation State Nationalism]

    I have no problem with Zaid's existence, remember I exchanged mails with him [links are given at the start of this thread] and challenged him on his own grounds and similar can be done with Mubarak Ali. Instead of saber rattling we must engage each other in dialogue and that should be the spirit [Dr Awab should be appreciated for that]

    1. farrahshah Avatar
      farrahshah

      Amir Mughal …Quran is to confirm the presence of Allah and His Books and His Prophets (PBUH) and the Shariat code.

      I do not see if I say I am Muslim and I have facination to the glorious past of Muslim rulers in India,Spain and Arab world I have to prove it through Quran.

      Or the existance of Paksitan has to be proved through Quran.

      But yes Pakistan came into being because of Islam because of two nation theory .Now for that what sort of proofs do you want….

      That is why Ziad Hamid is so important …to preach again and yet again …

      YES The Two nation theory and Pakistan ka Matlab kiyA

  46. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    farrahshah says: February 3, 2010 at 9:53 pm The basic fact remains the same when it is Dr.MubArak Ali on the TV….it is babai like me who watch it and not the youth…our youth is cleverer than us they do not want to read Iqbal they want to get it from Zaid. this quick world of fast food they want quick lectures. and You Tube links.

    ==================

    If that is the case [and it is the case] and then we are all violating this:

    O ye who believe! If an evil-liver bring you tidings, verify it, lest ye smite some folk in ignorance and afterward repent what ye did {Private Apartments XLIX (Soora Al-Hujrat) Verse 6).

    (O man), follow not that whereof thou hast no knowledge. Lo! The hearing and the sight and the heart- of each of these it will be asked. {Children of Israel XVII (Soora Bani Israel) Verse 36}.

  47. ALE Xpressed Avatar

    Ms. FarrahShah,

    I noticed you were comparing Dr. Mubarik Ali with Zaid Hamid and insisting that since Dr. Mubarik Ali's is tolerated despite of his history accounts being not inline with Pakistan and islam (as per your opinion), then Zaid should also be tolerated.

    Let me try to explain the difference between academic research worked and conspiracy theories.

    Academics , historians and researchers spend lifetimes working on issues. They go through a thorough schooling academically, the study all the existing work available before writing on an issue, they analyse the existing work, get input for co-workers and others working in the same field and finally when write something, it is peer reviewed by many. Not only that, whatever they write is properly referenced with sources. Reading an academically sound book will give you the idea that before making any historical claim, proper references to various history books are provided.

    On the other hand, Zaid Hamids comes on screen and tells us that the Head Quarter of Baluchistan Liberation Army is in Tel-Aviv. So, how do we go about verifying this ?

    What sounds more reliable ? A history account based on years old books of history which were peer reviewed and came out of years of research or a baseless rhetoric which is undeniable because its completely absurd and stupid.

  48. ALE Xpressed Avatar

    farrahshah says: February 3, 2010 at 9:53 pm The basic fact remains the same when it is Dr.MubArak Ali on the TV….it is babai like me who watch it and not the youth…our youth is cleverer than us they do not want to read Iqbal they want to get it from Zaid. this quick world of fast food they want quick lectures. and You Tube links.

    Ms. FarrahShah,

    That actually is the problem that young minds have resorted to TV and YouTube for their "research" and finding answers to complex questions. There are no easy answers for comples questions. PERIOD.

    One has to get back to books. One has to start reading. Only then, one can know the answers. Zaid Hamid and likes of him are only exploiting the absence of book-reading culture in young minds and feeding in their confused-answer-seeking minds with easy answers wrapped in their good speaking abilities and emotions.

  49. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    farrahshah says: February 3, 2010 at 10:05 pm That is why Ziad Hamid is so important …to preach again and yet again … YES The Two nation theory and Pakistan ka Matlab kiyA.

    =====================

    Dear Ms. Farrah,

    Background of this Fiction above is as under:

    Please do keep in mind that Jinnah's First Foreign Secretary /Minister Sir Zafarullah Chaudhry was an Hardcore Quadiyani.

    Prof Asghar Sodai’s verse “Pakistan Ka Matlab Kia – La Ilaha Illallah” was nothing but a slogan and had nothing to do with Pakistan except a Slogan.

    The fact is that this oft quoted statement is an election slogan coined by a Sialkot poet – Asghar Saudai. But it was never raised by the platform of the Muslim League. First and the last meeting of All Pakistan Muslim League was held under the chairmanship of the Quaid-i-Azam at Karachi's Khaliqdina Hall. During the meeting a man, who called himself Bihari, put to the Quaid that "we have been telling the people Pakistan ka matlab kia, La Ilaha Illallah." "Sit down, sit down," the Quaid shouted back. "Neither I nor my working committee, nor the council of the All India Muslim League has ever passed such a resolution wherein I was committed to the people of Pakistan, Pakistan ka matlab….., you might have done so to catch a few votes." This incident is quoted from Daghon ki Barat written by Malik Ghulam Nabi, who was a member of the Muslim League Council. The same incident is also quoted by the Raja of Mehmoudabad.

    References:

    References:

    Mushirul Hasan, Legacy of a Divided Nation, London: Hurst & Company, London, (1997).

    David Gilmartin, Empire and Islam: Punjab and the Making of Pakistan, Delhi: Oxford University Press, (1989).

    Erland Jansson, India, Pakistan or Pakhtunistan?, Uppsala: Acta UniversitatisUpsaliensis, (1981).

    Political and Judicial Records L/P & J/5/249, p. 155, London: British Library, (March 1946).

    Political and Judicial Records L/P & J/5/250, p. 3/79, London: British Library, (March 1947).

    Report of the Court of Inquiry constituted under Punjab Act II of 1954 to enquire into the Punjab Disturbances of 1953 (also known as Munir Report), Lahore: Government Printing Press, 1954.

    ‘Resolution adopted by Council of Action of the All-Parties Shaia Conference’, held at Poona, 25 December 1945, in S.R. Bakshi, The Making of India and Pakistan: Ideology of the Hindu Mahasabha and other Political Parties, Vol. 3, New Delhi, Deep & Deep Publications, 1997.

    Stanley Wopert, Jinnah of Pakistan, Oxford University Press London, (1993).

    The Constituent Assembly of Pakistan Debates,Vol. 5, 1949, Karachi: Government of Pakistan Press, (1949).

    Syed Zaheer Ali , ‘Letter to Quaid-e-Azam by Syed Ali Zaheer, July1944 and the Quaid’s reply’ in G. Allana, Pakistan Movement: Historic Documents, Lahore: Islamic Book Service, (1977).